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Heya guys

the other night at the age 0f 38 i was confronted by three drunk teenagers who saw me come out of a gay pub/bar.......they got in my face....i warned them i had Judo training....they kept getting in my face, i gave them two more warnings..then i copped 1 hit to the head, cheek and jaw.....and i did something i am not proud off....

.......upper cut with my fist the central teenager..breaking his jaw...and roundhoused the other two with my ankle.....breaking thier jaws.

the police i could see off in the distance had started running before i took my blows.....the police could see they had knives in thier pockets.....

[b]now the nagging question............why do i feel so bad for hurting these guys? I never learned judo to so severley hurt people! [/b]

has anyone felt this way before????

did i do the right thing.....i kinda think i did as I could have been knifed

when i got to the club i was going to and word got around what I did i didnt have to buy any drinks for myself and got a lot of congratulations....which kinda made me feel more remorseful.

i didnt come out unscathed turned out i had a concussion and a fractured cheek......

opinions???????

Don't even feel sorry. They deserve to be in jail. You could be dead, and you have to do whatever you can in a situation like that to keep yourself alive. I hope that the hate crimes bill is signed and that they are tried under the new laws. They should have never harassed you and they definitely shouldn't have laid their hands on you. You are completely in the right.

unfortunately underage aboriginals ( indigenous) ...and i am not being racist, get a smack on the wrist.........

Yeah, I missed that you were from Australia.

So if they normally get away with it, I think that it is great that you gave them more than a slap on the wrist.

3 against 1, I don't think you should feel bad.

You absolutely did the right thing.

I have had quite a bit of defense training, including the use of defensive weapons. You don't want to be in a knife fight. It's not if you get cut, it's how bad. And unless you're very, very, very good, it's going to be pretty bad. Nobody "wins" one except in West Side Story.

Kudos to the police for being there extremely quickly.

The fact that you feel remorse just displays how big your heart is. That you will only result to defending yourself because you life was at risk.

The fact that you are a diffrent race does not make you a bigot. Bashers comes in all shapes and colors these idiots just happen to be a diffrent race.

I'm sure if they were white you would have reacted the same. Glad no one was killed.

Craigjd saidHeya guys

the other night at the age 0f 38 i was confronted by three drunk teenagers who saw me come out of a gay pub/bar.......they got in my face....i warned them i had Judo training....they kept getting in my face, i gave them two more warnings..then i copped 1 hit to the head, cheek and jaw.....and i did something i am not proud off....

.......upper cut with my fist the central teenager..breaking his jaw...and roundhoused the other two with my ankle.....breaking thier jaws.

the police i could see off in the distance had started running before i took my blows.....the police could see they had knives in thier pockets.....

[b]now the nagging question............why do i feel so bad for hurting these guys? I never learned judo to so severley hurt people! [/b]

has anyone felt this way before????

did i do the right thing.....i kinda think i did as I could have been knifed

when i got to the club i was going to and word got around what I did i didnt have to buy any drinks for myself and got a lot of congratulations....which kinda made me feel more remorseful.

i didnt come out unscathed turned out i had a concussion and a fractured cheek......

opinions???????

Good for you. I'm proud of you. This will perhaps make them think twice about doing so ever again

Was I the only one that 'LMAO' while reading this?
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Congrats on defending yourself though. You did nothing wrong- you not only saved yourself, but also others that could have been potential victims that might have not been as well prepared.

i'm glad you defended yourself. you definitely could have been knifed and any number of things may have happened to you from knife wounds: arterial cuts, pneumothorax/punctured lungs, lacerated liver, etc etc

don't feel bad, you stood up for yourself in more ways than one. Proud of you! *hugs*

This just demonstrates how much better you are than they are. You have remorse and empathy for others. But, they were threatening and outnumbered you, three-to-one. You gave them several warnings. You probably were not aware of the proximity of the police when you struck the first guy, but even so, you were defending yourself. What if one of them had pulled a knife while you were waiting for the police to get there? And whether you knew of the knives before or after is of no matter. When three people are threatening you, I think it's safe to assume they might be armed.

You showed great restraint and struck only after ample warning out of self-defense. You did the right thing.

And, hopefully, as these guys mend from their wounds and eat through straws, that they think twice before victimizing someone else.

Well, you hurt another human being and remorse is natural.

You need to place more consideration on the damage they may have done to you had you not been so well trained.

Try to balance both outcomes and understand you did the right thing in defending yourself and potentially protecting someone else that could have been a victim of these punks that night.

Hopefully, you have given them a life lesson which will deter another attack on an innocent person.

good job bro, i dint want to read another sad story of another gay being beaten up.

Don't feel bad -- feel great! They got what they deserved, and you defended yourself well. But you don't tell us the rest of the story.

Did the police arrest them? Or did they get away? Will you be testifying against them?

Hopefully the court will make an example of them, and keep their kind off the streets. You did a service to yourself, to the community overall, and to the gay community in particular. I would have bought you a drink myself, had I been at the club afterwards.

Here's something to consider:

In defending yourself and causing those guys bodily injury, it's very possible that you may have saved lives in the future! There's a much lower chance that they will try that again; as a result some innocent Gay person just might be safer thanks to your courage!
I'll bet that those guys will think twice about trying to mug somebody ever again for fear that the next time they might get killed!

Good on ya, mate!

I am sorry to doubt someone's story, but something just dosn't add up here. I've trained in judo and judo is almost completely grappling training. Judo teaches you how to: throw, joint-lock, choke, and hold someone down.There is not much striking/kicking training in Judo. The OP would need other training besides Judo to been able to carry-out the strikes he discribed.

This is judo:

I was jumped by two drunk gay bashers in San Francisco one night when I was walking home from the gym.
I was wearing sweats, a hoody and a backpack. I guess they thought I was some Castro street hustler. They were yelling all sorts of obscenities at me but I seriously didn't realize they were talking to me. In my mind, no one has any reason to talk to *me* like that. I was 33, work a professional 9-5 job and live in a nice neighborhood... I use hand sanitizer and wipe off my dogs paws after walks... "me a street hustler?"

I haven't encountered behavior like that since high school and I literally thought they were fighting with each other. I've lived in rough neighborhoods, I've traveled to third world countries and I've always found as long as I mind my own business I'm fine. I was oblivious to what was happening.

I realized they were talking to me after I absently walked right past them and was delivered a mind rattling blow to the back of my head. By the time the situation was clear they were trying to choke and restrain me with my backpack.

I elbowed the one choking me, slipped out of my backpack, back kicked one guy and felt his ribs give, I turned jabbed the other guy with my left and then round house kicked him in the side of the head knocking him into the parked cars.

They both jumped up and ran.
The funny thing is when I was looking at the second guy, I held back when I hit him. I didn't want to hurt him, I wanted him to just go away. My jabs were like warnings that he didn't heed.

When I kicked him in the side of the head I remember grimacing because I was so conflicted about hurting him. What I realized afterward was that I wasn't afraid of them, I was sad. I was so sad that people can be so mean and that I had to resort to hurting someone to prove a point. I didn't like it, even if they did deserve all that and more.

I had multiple lacerations to my head and scalp, minor bruising but none to my face. I was so shaken that I didn't tell my boyfriend. I didn't want to tell him till I was calm and focused and no longer upset because I knew it would upset him if he saw me not able to deal with it. It took me three weeks to be ok with what happened.

I've been in bar fights and street fights before but for some reason this time was very different... it was full of hate and as much as they deserved it, I didn't enjoy it.

No matter the ending, hate crimes are filled with just that, *hate*, and there is no way to dress them up to be pretty.

phemt saidI am sorry to doubt someone's story, but something just dosn't add up here. I've trained in judo and judo is almost completely grappling training. Judo teaches you how to: throw, joint-lock, choke, and hold someone down.There is not much striking/kicking training in Judo. The OP would need other training besides Judo to been able to carry-out the strikes he discribed.

This is judo:

your right i didnt just use judo I was trained to box as a kid as well......it all came into play..............my dad was irish, i was taught to fight quick and nasty..though the judo calmed that a bit with discipline

OP: sorry for casting doubt. I am glad you were able to defend yourself. I also don't think you should feel bad at all doing what you did.

over_and_over saidI was jumped by two drunk gay bashers in San Francisco one night when I was walking home from the gym.
I was wearing sweats, a hoody and a backpack. I guess they thought I was some Castro street hustler. They were yelling all sorts of obscenities at me but I seriously didn't realize they were talking to me. In my mind, no one has any reason to talk to *me* like that. I was 33, work a professional 9-5 job and live in a nice neighborhood... I use hand sanitizer and wipe off my dogs paws after walks... "me a street hustler?"

I haven't encountered behavior like that since high school and I literally thought they were fighting with each other. I've lived in rough neighborhoods, I've traveled to third world countries and I've always found as long as I mind my own business I'm fine. I was oblivious to what was happening.

I realized they were talking to me after I absently walked right past them and was delivered a mind rattling blow to the back of my head. By the time the situation was clear they were trying to choke and restrain me with my backpack.

I elbowed the one choking me, slipped out of my backpack, back kicked one guy and felt his ribs give, I turned jabbed the other guy with my left and then round house kicked him in the side of the head knocking him into the parked cars.

They both jumped up and ran.
The funny thing is when I was looking at the second guy, I held back when I hit him. I didn't want to hurt him, I wanted him to just go away. My jabs were like warnings that he didn't heed.

When I kicked him in the side of the head I remember grimacing because I was so conflicted about hurting him. What I realized afterward was that I wasn't afraid of them, I was sad. I was so sad that people can be so mean and that I had to resort to hurting someone to prove a point. I didn't like it, even if they did deserve all that and more.

I had multiple lacerations to my head and scalp, minor bruising but none to my face. I was so shaken that I didn't tell my boyfriend. I didn't want to tell him till I was calm and focused and no longer upset because I knew it would upset him if he saw me not able to deal with it. It took me three weeks to be ok with what happened.

I've been in bar fights and street fights before but for some reason this time was very different... it was full of hate and as much as they deserved it, I didn't enjoy it.

No matter the ending, hate crimes are filled with just that, *hate*, and there is no way to dress them up to be pretty.

Good for you guy. Sorry you held back though. You should have bust those bitches good

Striking techniques are called atemi waza in Judo.

mickeytopogigio saidStriking techniques are called atemi waza in Judo.

My sensei sometimes mixed in some basic self-defense and striking training. The punching and kicking were very basic though. I don't recall ever learning anything like a round house kick during judo practice. I was one belt away from brown belt when I stopped training. Maybe others training at higher levels or at other dojos do more advanced kicking, but I didn't.
The OP has more training outside of Judo so I would predict his effective roundhouse was probably learned outside of judo.

Cool. There are many people who wouldn't have been able to defend themselves when confronted like that. I say they got what they deserved and perhaps it will teach them to think twice before fucking with someone else.

good for you man...I think if there were more stories like this of us fighting back and beating the shit outta these guys there would be less confrontations....I really think "they" think because we are gay that its ok and you just proved its not. Fuck them! they got what they deserved.

awesome man. nothing to be ashamed of. no regrets. PROUD OF YOU MAN!!

First, let me congratulate you for defending yourself against those three cowardly hypocrites.
But your story coincides with one that took place here in the UK. A gay off-duty police officer was attacted by a homophobic gang of youths as he left a gay club in Liverpool on Friday night. He didn't fare as well as you did. He was beaten up, I think, to the point of concussion and had to be admitted into hospital. The youths were eventually caught and are at present on bail. We wait to hear the outcome.

NotThatOld saidFirst, let me congratulate you for defending yourself against those three cowardly hypocrites.
But your story coincides with one that took place here in the UK. A gay off-duty police officer was attacted by a homophobic gang of youths as he left a gay club in Liverpool on Friday night. He didn't fare as well as you did. He was beaten up, I think, to the point of concussion and had to be admitted into hospital. The youths were eventually caught and are at present on bail. We wait to hear the outcome.

He should hunt them down one at a time and take his billy club to them

Glad you did it. Hope it knocked sense into them. Or at least a little doubt the next time they feel the urge to be assholes.

This brings up a good point, though. If I were to start learning self-defense techniques today, what's the best route/method to take?

I have 2 gay friends who also happen to be a couple...they were attacked twice for just taking an evening walk together (i think they seen my friends kissing though..) i wish i was there with them when it happened because i used to practice karate, but they were pretty badly beaten up. im just glad they are fine now.

I dont think you should feel bad at all...if you didnt defend yourself then they would of had their way with you, and it may have ended badly. i think its good that you feel bad about hurting another human being..but you really didnt have any other choice.

Don't feel bad, they asked for it. You are okay, that's the important part.

I felt bad the first time I decked a guy too, don't worry, it gets easier the more you do it

You are BADASS! You've sent those kids a serious wake-up call - with violent homophobia comes an equally violent roundhouse kick to the face. They had it coming the way they approached you. Don't feel bad even for a second, just don't let all your wicked judo skills get to your head!

Well, done. That you feel some remorse for having injured your would be assailants speaks to your decency and restraint.

I have only had to physically defend myself once as an adult; and I don't think I was being bothered because of being gay. I remember being somewhat astounded that the stuff I had been taught for years in the gym actually worked and left a much bigger opponent on the floor with incapacitating (but repairable) injuries to his elbow, nose and jaw.

Last summer I was verbally harassed by a homophobic idiot. I stood up to him and he backed off. My strong hunch is that he sensed that, while I might not have been looking for a fight, I wasn't going to back away from one either.

It's unfortunate to even have to think in these terms, but there are some truly hateful people out there. My approach has been to make sure I am confident that I can defend myself against the tiny minority of vicious half-wits so that I can delve into what the other 99.9% of humanity has to offer without too much anxiety.

Awesome, all of that Judo training put to good use. Just think what they'll be telling their friends. I was beat up by a gay guy.

Thanks. We're all a bit safer for your actions.

If it had been me being attacked, I could be dead now.

Seriously, don't feel bad about it. If you had not taken action, then who knows what would have happened to you.

I applaud your discipline though. I think I would have kicked them in the face a few times while they were on the ground. Yeah, I'm a little cruel.. I have zero tolerance for bullies.

Please do not fel bad - just think this way. If you do not know how to defend yourself, you or anyone they attack could have become another Mattew Shepard.

Held your head high bro.

I'm glad they got what they deserved. And the fact that you're remorseful, speaks volumes of your character.

Unfortunately, this hits very close to home here in Toronto. I didn't know him personally, but I hope the guys who did this are exterminated like the roaches of society that they are.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/crime/article/714795--video-released-as-slain-man-mourned

U done good - & thanks for sharing it with us - also ......a little off-topic, but you have great legs

It sure sounds like they were asking for trouble, and they got it.


Don't feel bad about it.

that bad feeling will fade... u did the right thing...hope u charged them with also

jawrhed saidU done good - & thanks for sharing it with us - also ......a little off-topic, but you have great legs

When I read this post, earlier today, I was thinking the same thing. Hope our "quadmiration" helps cheer Craigjd up, a little.

I also agree that standing up for yourself was an affirmative act. The term "broken jaw" is a little disturbing, but you did warn these bozos that you know Judo. Too many gay men have been battered or killed by homophobic neanderthals, so your story is kind of inspirational...makes me want to take up a martial art, myself! (BTW, thanks go out to Pres. Obama for signing the Matthew Shepard Act, today!)

So, perhaps you might think about it from another perspective: What would you be thinking or feeling, now, had you not taken your stand? Speaking from personal experience, I still lament that time back in first grade when I didn't stand up for myself in the softball toss (long, boring story, but seriously - it haunts me).

thanks guys for your support..........

i do feel better about it...and at least it was witnessed by alot of these type of people that attacked me, so maybe they will think twice about attacking gay men/woman again.

to those who know all the terms about striking and kicking in judo.....thankyou for refreshing my memory...i got my black belt at 21....i am now 38, and very surprised after kinda ignoring my training for a long time (it was something my parents made me do....thank god)

i was brought up in an irish household so boxing was encouraged as well....fast and dirty type boxing, so i probably used a mixture of both, so i understand some of the guys questioning the "round house" and hand striking methods i used.....made me go back to some of my teachings and relearn some things....


for the leg comments thanks.....

If it gets out that 3 thugs got hurt, I seriously belive it will curtail others from trying the same thing. Down here in Atlanta College kids are getting robbed about every weekend. If 1 just defended themselves with whatever means necessary it would bring it all the a stand still.
Here is the question, what would you have done if you hadn't known Judo?
You warned them fair and square and even I know if you give people the option.. back off or ... (shoot, kick, punch) they have been given an option, you hadn't threatened them.
Hell it was 3 on 1. which I like sometimes..

same but different.
Was on a national tour with Singin in the Rain back in 03-04. Was traveling back from the holidays from NY to SC. (Shocker)
When we arrived at the Motel (2 buildings separated by a parking lot) everyone was tired but with pent up energy from the buses. 2 nuclear rough necks working in the area had been drinking and started harassing the girls and the gay guys. After a couple hours of this I walked out onto the balcony where I was hit in the face by a 24oz beer. Not the empty can but an almost full 24oz beer.
It was scary and angered me. If I was armed I would have killed someone.
I went for the next thing I could and grabbed a fire extinguisher. Finally police were called and they went to jail.
Had it been in any other city or state it would have been a hate crime.