That's right, Charles Gibson said that there was a new Defense Budget Bill signed today, which also included a hate crimes law to protect sexual orientation.
The whole statement took less than 10 seconds. So answer this, how can a bill be effective if it is not WIDELY known and stated?
I saw part of the CNN signing, while working-out at the gym, and it took them a good 10 minutes just to get the thing started.... I would have expected this from the 'Faux News' team but not ABC's...
I watched NBC news tonight and nearly all of the half hour was about the violence in Afghanistan and Pakistan. They did not even mention healthcare. Maybe the Democrats should push through all the gay rights bills now.
wrestlervic saidThe whole statement took less than 10 seconds. So answer this, how can a bill be effective if it is not WIDELY known and stated?
Because people who pass the bill don't watch the news.
If I go somewhere and get gay-based, I want those people to be WELL aware of the consequences. It's funny how in America many laws are passed, but we are not always made aware of them until after the fact. Maybe we should get law booklets like the telephone guide. I'd hate to have to go to the public library to peruse the state law books.
JakeBenson saidWAIT, YOU GUYS SCROLL TO 2:48 on the video that ActiveAndFit posted.
This protects gender identity! THIS IS AWESOME!
Now boys can dress like women and not get beat up for it. TRANNY POWER!
I'm starting to like this Obama.
You can still get beat up for anything. What scares me is cops who are homophobic good ole boys and will either sweep the incident away, or deny your feelings that it was hate motivated. Where do you turn in that case? A lawyer I guess.
wrestlervic saidThat's right, Charles Gibson said that there was a new Defense Budget Bill signed today, which also included a hate crimes law to protect sexual orientation.
The whole statement took less than 10 seconds. So answer this, how can a bill be effective if it is not WIDELY known and stated?
I guess it begs the question of what is "effective"? It isn't meant to deter crime, as it won't. People won't stop committing brutally violent crimes against minorities because there is a slight chance they will be punished more harshly. Hate crimes legislation is meant to appease minorities, not actually stop the crimes it is meant to punish. Thus, "effective" is more a question of how the gay community reacts to its passage.
Credit to Obama for singing it (YES! RYAN-ANDREW is giving him credit) however he spent less than a minuet talking about this part of the bill anyway. Just saying... if the president didn't give much lip service to it why would the news do it? I agree... let these assholes have it slap them in the face. I want it to be a surprise for my neighbor. Fuck 'em!
Nothing Obama does will make you happy, so really, stop bitching. It's cloying.
For everyone else,
Reagan: Did he know gay people existed? Bush 42: Never attempted it. Clinton: Never attempted it. GW Bush - "If that bill gets to my desk, I'll veto it."
JakeBenson saidWAIT, YOU GUYS SCROLL TO 2:48 on the video that ActiveAndFit posted.
This protects gender identity! THIS IS AWESOME!
Now boys can dress like women and not get beat up for it. TRANNY POWER!
I'm starting to like this Obama.
You can still get beat up for anything. What scares me is cops who are homophobic good ole boys and will either sweep the incident away, or deny your feelings that it was hate motivated. Where do you turn in that case? A lawyer I guess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I think one of the factors in warding off hate crimes is to report and insist on action taken when the first few incidents of hate activity start unfolding at school, the workplace, a bar or wherever. This new Hate Crimes bill will go a long ways toward getting peoples attention to do something for the person being misstreated early on before its too late, because this bill will push any violations into the Federal Crime realm of punishment. That should scare the B-jesus out of a lot of rednecks. Its now a new big stick hanging over a haters head where it didn't exist a few days ago. I hope that because of this bill you will never need an attorney.
wrestlervic saidYou can still get beat up for anything. What scares me is cops who are homophobic good ole boys and will either sweep the incident away, or deny your feelings that it was hate motivated. Where do you turn in that case? A lawyer I guess.
This is one of the points of the legislation:
(HRC Press release, 10/2009)The law would allow federal prosecutors to “try violent hate-crime cases if local authorities cannot or will not secure an appropriate conviction. It also opens up federal funding for law enforcement to handle the typically high cost of investigation and judicial proceedings in such cases, and would make grants available for training and prevention programs at the local level” .
Help will be available if things get "swept under the rug"
Also statistics will be kept regardless of jurisdiction which will help in understanding the nature and causes of the hate crimes in question.
ActiveAndFit saidHere is a bit more from CNN as President Obama give a heartful speech of the meaning of this bill
Its interesting how the video is focused on 3 black individuals. There's some symbolism there considering this bill expands on the original bill from the 1960's on race and religion. And also stereotypically speaking, the black community frowns on homosexuality.
