CARDIO BEFORE BREAKFAST

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    Oct 30, 2009 7:18 AM GMT
    Guy's anyone know? Is it beneficial to do, say ,30 min's of cardio before breakfast to burn fat as fuel?
  • drypin

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    Oct 30, 2009 7:52 AM GMT
    According to my PT it's good. As it is, I'm not supposed to eat 2 hours beforehand, so first thing in the morning is actually the most practical time.
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    Oct 30, 2009 12:59 PM GMT
    There is debate if it is better to do cardio before or after a meal.
    The proponents of fasting cardio believe that since muscle glycogen is the lowest in the morning, the body will need to burn fat for energy. Some research shows that indeed people do burn slightly more fat calories when doing fasting cardio. The flip side of this is that people tend to do shorter and less intense cardio sessions when they are fasting due to a lack of energy. This means fewer total calories burned. In addition, those who do fasting cardio may find themselves hungrier throughout the day and eating more total calories than their counterparts who ate before their cardio sessions.
    Some individuals feel fine doing fasting cardio, but many are plagued with the symptoms of hypoglycemia such as dizzyness. It may be a good idea to carry a small snack (carbs) with you, or eat something very light before starting cardio..

    I don't believe there is a right or wrong answer. Do what you feel comfortable doing. The most important thing is to find time during the day for exercise.

    If you want to do intense cardio in the AM, make sure you have warmed up your muscles and joints. The body, particularly the spine, is very vulnerable to injury in the early morning. Indviduals with back problems frequently injure the back shortly after wakening. I injured my back many times simply picking clothes off the floor.
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    Oct 30, 2009 1:38 PM GMT
    drypin saidAccording to my PT it's good.

    Really? NASM and ISSM both say no. Eat breakfast and then do Cardio. Personally speaking (from a trainer's perspective), I would never consider it because the intensity of the cardio exercise will dictate whether or not one reaches a "fat burning zone". 30 minutes is pushing the duration needed. You will have barely burned off the excess glycogen stored from the night before and then your body may digest muscles rather than fat. You run a great risk at burning out if the exercise is too hard (which it needs to be to "burn fat" as you want) and if it isn't hard enough, then it is a waste of time as the caloric burn will be negated by breakfast right after.

    On a side note, I got a call at 5:45 AM to sub for a spinning class where the instructor was deathly ill. I grabbed some toast, a glass of OJ and ran out the door for the 6 AM start time. I didn't make it passed 25 minutes in the class. I had to exit the bike multiple times and walk around the studio pretending to correct participants form. It was gross how much energy was I was lacking and how quickly my body just stopped. It is safe to say I didn't burn any fat, just pushed my body to an extreme that isn't healthy.
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    Oct 30, 2009 3:33 PM GMT
    having done both I would say avoid... as Pinny said, you really canĀ“t hit it as hard when you are starving.

  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 30, 2009 3:39 PM GMT
    I do a cardio set every morning but one, usually after I eat breakfast. It doesn't make much of a difference since I don't eat too much.

    Can't say whether the set would be better before I eat.. its just more of a habit.
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    Nov 02, 2009 8:08 PM GMT
    Bill Phillips claims in Body for Life that doing cardio first thing in the morning burns up to 300 percent more fat opposed to do it at any other time of the day. I am a big fan of the plan but couldn't make the early morning cardio work as I am already at work by 6:15am.

    I have been doing my cardio in the afternoon and have gotten more than satisfying results. I guess it doesn't hurt to experiment and see how it works for you. Let us know what you decided and how it goes!
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    Dec 06, 2009 5:20 AM GMT
    I know people do this and I have tried it, but it doesn't work for me. I really thought it made sense and maybe it would have when I was younger, but I tried for about 6 months until realizing it wasn't working. It just made me tired. When I started eating breakfast again my whole day improved. Sometimes all I need is a piece of fruit or small bowl of oatmeal, but it really makes a difference. I'm not hungry in the morning really until after my workout - so I actually have to force myself to eat. Then after I train, I have my post workout shake and then later I eat my real breakfast.
    I have work and school and I eat all day long - but even something small within a half hour of waking up is key to getting through the day.

    Jeez Owen how much fat do you want to burn? You're already all cut up -
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    Dec 06, 2009 5:49 AM GMT
    studies show the 'best' time of day to exercise is late afternoon (4-7pm). your risk of heart attack and stroke is highest in the morning, peaking in the hour right after rising from sleep and persisting until noon-ish.

    on the other hand, studies also show that morning exercisers tend to be more consistent with their workouts. if your goal is to lose weight or raise your metabolism for the morning/day, then have at it in the morning if that's when you've got time. you still need some fuel though after 'fasting' while sleeping.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/health/03real.html

    http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/anatomyandphysiology/a/WhenToExercise.htm

    http://www.bennadel.com/blog/1562-What-Is-The-Best-Time-Of-Day-To-Workout-.htm
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    Dec 06, 2009 5:52 AM GMT
    I personally like my monster milk protein powder, with skim milk, yogurt, banana, oatmeal, blueberries, flaxseeds all blended together.......then strong coffee(or a caffeine supplement/pill), before any strenuous cardio. I get a major boost in energy, and can go for longer durationsicon_smile.gif
  • jingold04

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    Dec 06, 2009 5:58 AM GMT
    NSCA agree's with Pinny,and others warn of muscle atrophy. I agree with Jawrhed,Owen,your ripped as hell,if you try that you'll sacrifice muscle,which (as we all know) burns calories,which helps keep you ripped and buff. So,in short,you'll burn calories & muscle by doing cardio before breakfast,which will make you thin,but that theory is actually post hoc argot proctor hoc (I've been DYING to use that in a sentence since I saw it on a West Wing rerun!!Thanks Owen!!).
  • groundcombat

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    Dec 06, 2009 6:04 AM GMT
    Cardio, yes. Lift weights, hell no.

    Cardio before breakfast, as long as your heart rate stays within the fat burn zone, will burn mostly fat. It's your best chance to get a "free shot" at your fat storage without burning things like carbs and other food from calories.

    Lifting weights, on the other hand, is not a good idea because with no carbs, your body will burn muscle to fuel your workout instead of carbs.
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    Dec 07, 2009 8:20 AM GMT
    I usually do my 30 minute jog each morning after I have had my brekkie. This morning I went out before brekkie and all day I have been feeling sick, lack of energy, and I was battling to finish the jog. So for me, I prefer to eat first from now on.
  • vindog

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    Dec 08, 2009 8:34 PM GMT
    I just switched over to exercising in this way. Cardio first thing. Breakfast and work and lunch, then back for weight training late afternoon.


    I am already feeling a lot better...like this method a lot better. I feel like I get way more intense and longer cardio session then going in to do it before or after lifting.
  • EricLA

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    Dec 08, 2009 8:39 PM GMT
    If you're lean, I don't think you get any benefit from doing cardio without fuel in your body. It would be another thing if you were looking to lose some weight, but that doesn't appear to be the case.
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    Dec 09, 2009 5:38 AM GMT
    The two best times for fat burning cardio are first thing in the morning on an empty stomach and after weight training. So yeah - go for it!
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    Dec 10, 2009 4:42 PM GMT
    Pick your survey.

    For myself, I've always had the sense that doing moderate cardio with moderate to lower blood sugar seems to get a better burn, but, that's not empirical evidence. For HIIT I HAVE to have my blood sugar at 100, or so, or I can't get it all done without feeling crappy.

    I think some of it depends on your own glycogen stores, muscle mass, time training, intensity, etc.

    You need a certain blood sugar level to have any intensity.

    It'll be interesting to see how this all shakes out.

    I can tell you, in my personal experience, and many, many, many, others HIIT is SUPREMELY effective for preserving lean muscle mass, leaning out, increasing cardiac threshold, and not feeling burned out / over-trained, over steady-state cardio.

    FOR HIIT, I never go over 20 minutes, and usually stay at 12. For me, it works WAY BETTER than endless, stupid, hours of steady state cardio.

    I'm big on training smart, as opposed to training dumb.

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    If I'm in lean out mode, I'll have about 40 grams of protein and about 20 grams of carbs,and do stairs for 12 to 20, first thing in the morning. The fat MELTS off.
  • vindog

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    Dec 10, 2009 6:27 PM GMT
    Chucky...


    Do you think the eating right before, with a short amount of cardio, really makes a difference? Seems like with that duration one could eat right after and it would be the same.

    I only ask cuz with food in my stomach I definitely do not have the stamina.
    That said, I just switched to the cardio in am before food, then lifting in the afternoon, and already seeing fantastic results.



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    Dec 10, 2009 6:28 PM GMT
    vindog saidChucky...


    Do you think the eating right before, with a short amount of cardio, really makes a difference? Seems like with that duration one could eat right after and it would be the same.

    I only ask cuz with food in my stomach I definitely do not have the stamina.
    That said, I just switched to the cardio in am before food, then lifting in the afternoon, and already seeing fantastic results.



    Well, do what works for you.

    Yes, I DO think that you have to "fuel the furnace" for exercise performance.
  • vindog

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    Dec 10, 2009 6:47 PM GMT
    Indeed...I def eat well before lifting. But for cardio I need at least an hour.



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  • Neon_Dreams

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    Dec 11, 2009 6:13 PM GMT
    I would love to be able to run for 30 minutes first thing in the morning... However, I think I may be a bit hypoglycemic and I need a light breakfast first (like organic, all-grain cereal with organic nonfat milk and a half banana). I wait about 60-90 minutes then do a run/jog.

    I dunno...

    Maybe I could actually eat less in order to burn more fat reserves. What do you guys think?


    Joe
  • vindog

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    Dec 21, 2009 11:41 PM GMT
    Bumping this.....it's treating me really well. Lost about 6lbs in the last 3 weeks. Granted I am eating less too, but feel like its the way to go. And I feel really charged all day