How many times have you heard: "IT'S WORSE THAN IT USED TO BE"..... Is it?

  • HndsmKansan

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    Oct 31, 2009 1:18 PM GMT
    Just heard the old negative phrase this morning.. "Its worse than it used to be".... in this case applied to how rude people are in public. I've heard the phrase applied in a number of ways.

    Giving (in terms of donations) at my episcopal church... "its worse than ever before".. I asked why?
    "Well people are selfish" was the response.

    I've asked, "do you think economics might play a role"?

    So, are people "worse"? I would hate to think that. I think alternative examples can always be produced.
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    Oct 31, 2009 1:40 PM GMT
    Everything is relative.

    Most things appear worse because of the constant bombardment from internet and cable news.
    Used to be you only new about what was going on “in your neck of the woods”.
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    Oct 31, 2009 4:04 PM GMT
    jprichva saidWell, at the risk of being once again the Grumpy Old Grampaw, I do think things are worse in lots of ways.

    I am old enough to remember a country that wasn't so bitter. Thirty years of a political strategy that deems those on the other side as not merely wrong or opposing but actually evil has created a very sick culture of ugliness. If you read what they say about Democrats or liberals on most of the right-wing websites I visit, it's actually sickening. They don't merely disagree with policies, they wish death upon people. I have had one right-wing jackass on here openly tell me he wished for my death. No matter how disgusting I find him, and I do, I'd never say a thing like that to anyone. And he doesn't feel the least shame or embarrassment for saying it---he justifies himself repeatedly, saying he's had his tender li'l feelings hurt on here so he can say what he wants. The truth is, he's not an outlier: he's typical of the extreme right nowadays. It's crazy.



    Ah but you are sooooo cute in your grumpiness. Don’t ever stop.

    I think we have gotten worse. There seems to be greater incivility towards our fellow man
  • jarhead5536

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    Oct 31, 2009 5:08 PM GMT
    jprichva saidWell, at the risk of being once again the Grumpy Old Grampaw, I do think things are worse in lots of ways.

    I am old enough to remember a country that wasn't so bitter. Thirty years of a political strategy that deems those on the other side as not merely wrong or opposing but actually evil has created a very sick culture of ugliness. If you read what they say about Democrats or liberals on most of the right-wing websites I visit, it's actually sickening. They don't merely disagree with policies, they wish death upon people. I have had one right-wing jackass on here openly tell me he wished for my death. No matter how disgusting I find him, and I do, I'd never say a thing like that to anyone. And he doesn't feel the least shame or embarrassment for saying it---he justifies himself repeatedly, saying he's had his tender li'l feelings hurt on here so he can say what he wants. The truth is, he's not an outlier: he's typical of the extreme right nowadays. It's crazy.



    What jprichva said...
  • bigguysf

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    Oct 31, 2009 5:19 PM GMT
    Not feeling particularly old OR grumpy, but yes things are worse unfortunately. I think there is a certain amount of human self-centered behavior that has always caused rudeness and indifference to others. But it's gotten so much worse over the years as everyone has adopted the attitude "I'm the most important person here".

    So you get rudeness at the gym (like when I asked a guy why he didn't wipe off the equipment and he wanted to make a big scene about it) or you get the indifferent/asshole-ish ways gay guys treat each other in social settings, or people having full-on cell phone conversations while in a line at a store as if none of us mattered and don't mind listening to the ridiculousness of their life... the list could go on.

    The hard part is to figure out a way to not act the same way in the face of so many others acting that way. I always walk out the door and tell myself to try and be a good guy, and not to be a dick. And I'd like to think it mostly works...that I'm maybe a bit more empathetic and courteous to others as a result. Would be nice if more others thought that way. But I'm not holding my breath.

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    Oct 31, 2009 5:22 PM GMT
    Overall I think that as 'solomon' wrote in the bible: "There is nothing new under the sun" I remember reading a story of how a reputed population issues adviser and speaker was very upset with this "new generation' and how hopeless their future looked because of how inept he discribed them to be. Turns out this guy was writing about his day and time back in the 1890's. I do think that the media blasting that our last couple of generations have been through has had a detrimental affect on creativity and on how we treat each other, but overall I think Human nature is what it is even with new media to affect them. Look at all of history and we as humans have always been somewhat violent toward our fellow man, we now are actually more civil because of laws that keep governments and lawbreakers at bay. The issue that gives me a secure or optomistic feeling about the future is just how really good and decent most young people really are. There are many examples right here on RJ, sure there is some mean spirited exchanges sometimes, but overall, if we needed each other, I think we'ed come through, all of our worlds populations are very similar, most people are very decent folk. Look how well a big city like NYC acted when tragedy struck, or when they had the big blackout, Crime levels went way down, People helped each other out. Nothing is really that new under the sun to my way of thinking. So many really good people out there !!!
  • BeingThePhoen...

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    Oct 31, 2009 5:24 PM GMT
    I actually don't think it has gotten worse. I think it has just been recently mass publicized, televized and slung world wide across the internet. People have always been rude and mean and violent, but now that we have more than 3 channels to watch and more than just the local paper to read, we just can't evade the truth anymore. Some people just are asses! icon_cool.gif
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    Oct 31, 2009 6:00 PM GMT
    Things are always worse when you're living through them in the present.

    In retrospect everything is louder, faster, bigger, ruder,more expensive and more annoying....It's just no one remembers accurately or is prepared to admit it.

    I swear every generation for the last 2000 years have complained that the one that comes after them are much more...whatever...than they ever were. It's just like every parent that sees a child throw a tantrum in the market says, " my child won't be like that' YES they will! you just won't accurately remember that moment when you reach a similar position.

    It's one part hypocrisy, one part agoraphobia and one part the limitations of humanity.

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    Oct 31, 2009 6:21 PM GMT
    I think the media plays a big part in how people react to certain situations.
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    Oct 31, 2009 6:30 PM GMT
    MsclDrew saidThings are always worse when you're living through them in the present.

    In retrospect everything is louder, faster, bigger, ruder,more expensive and more annoying....It's just no one remembers accurately or is prepared to admit it.

    I swear every generation for the last 2000 years have complained that the one that comes after them are much more...whatever...than they ever were. It's just like every parent that sees a child throw a tantrum in the market says, " my child won't be like that' YES they will! you just won't accurately remember that moment when you reach a similar position.

    It's one part hypocrisy, one part agoraphobia and one part the limitations of humanity.



    Exactly.
    My dad, for example, swears he had to walk to school in chest deep snow one year. His father, of course, swore the snow was deeper back in his day.

    Another example that just came to mind... I can remember my parents arguing about financial problems and thinking that this was a really stupid thing to argue about.
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    Oct 31, 2009 6:32 PM GMT

    I find myself these days being most thankful I can insulate myself -- for the most part -- from the 'roughness' one sees all around. As with all events in life, one always gets to where one is going, although one rarely knows where they are when they arrive.
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    Oct 31, 2009 6:53 PM GMT
    jprichva saidWell, at the risk of being once again the Grumpy Old Grampaw, I do think things are worse in lots of ways.

    I am old enough to remember a country that wasn't so bitter. Thirty years of a political strategy that deems those on the other side as not merely wrong or opposing but actually evil has created a very sick culture of ugliness. If you read what they say about Democrats or liberals on most of the right-wing websites I visit, it's actually sickening. They don't merely disagree with policies, they wish death upon people. I have had one right-wing jackass on here openly tell me he wished for my death. No matter how disgusting I find him, and I do, I'd never say a thing like that to anyone. And he doesn't feel the least shame or embarrassment for saying it---he justifies himself repeatedly, saying he's had his tender li'l feelings hurt on here so he can say what he wants. The truth is, he's not an outlier: he's typical of the extreme right nowadays. It's crazy.



    I don't think that's any less applicable to some of the extreme leftists. I've been told before that I can "just go die" because I didn't agree with all the ways in which this particular guy touted the country should be run. Granted, I think only a very small percentage of the extreme left and extreme right actually want someone to die for believing the way they do. But I do agree that this new culture of claiming that "the other side is evil" has gotten entirely too out of hand.
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    Oct 31, 2009 7:06 PM GMT
    GotBiceps said
    jprichva saidWell, at the risk of being once again the Grumpy Old Grampaw, I do think things are worse in lots of ways.

    I am old enough to remember a country that wasn't so bitter. Thirty years of a political strategy that deems those on the other side as not merely wrong or opposing but actually evil has created a very sick culture of ugliness. If you read what they say about Democrats or liberals on most of the right-wing websites I visit, it's actually sickening. They don't merely disagree with policies, they wish death upon people. I have had one right-wing jackass on here openly tell me he wished for my death. No matter how disgusting I find him, and I do, I'd never say a thing like that to anyone. And he doesn't feel the least shame or embarrassment for saying it---he justifies himself repeatedly, saying he's had his tender li'l feelings hurt on here so he can say what he wants. The truth is, he's not an outlier: he's typical of the extreme right nowadays. It's crazy.



    I don't think that's any less applicable to some of the extreme leftists. I've been told before that I can "just go die" because I didn't agree with all the ways in which this particular guy touted the country should be run. Granted, I think only a very small percentage of the extreme left and extreme right actually want someone to die for believing the way they do. But I do agree that this new culture of claiming that "the other side is evil" has gotten entirely too out of hand.

    That's just it, though. It isn't a "new culture". It is the re-emergence of old culture. Think of the Salem witch trials or the Crusades. It has simply taken a new form.
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    Oct 31, 2009 7:22 PM GMT
    I think that (please dont't swat me because of my age) but...I think things are worse for a few reasons. Notice how the networks are running their shows. Reality shows of fake "realities" (rich people leading "normal lives"), the news bombarding us with the negative aspects of the world, a horrible economic situation, cynicsm brought by years and years of political strategy, technology could be blamed (i've been on a few dates where a guy starts texting or as said before, someone starts rudely talking on the phone loud and hard about shit while people are around him/her), etc.

    At the same time however, mass communication, mass media has made us smaller, there is no privacy anymore, so things look bleak. there has always been violence. and look at past generations, for example, in my grandparent's day (the 50's), the "devil's music" was rock (Chuck Berry, Elvis, etc.) while it's tame to us and their parents listened to the likes of Duke Ellington and Billie Holiday, which at the same time was ridiculed by the older generations for supporting "negro music". history repeats itself. there is always that stigma of having "how the good ol' days have changed". that may be so, but we are also moving progressively. it all depends how you look at it. personally i think things could be better, but at least it's not like it used to be. i'm not patronized for being hispanic or going to jail for finding love in my locker room. icon_confused.gif
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    Oct 31, 2009 8:22 PM GMT
    That's what my partner says when he sees me naked.
  • Webster666

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    Oct 31, 2009 10:08 PM GMT
    I feel that economics and over crowding are the two biggest reasons why people act out against other people.

    Statistics show that during the Clinton presidency, when the economy was booming, crime was way down, because almost everybody who wanted to work, had a job which translates into security and self worth.

    Today, in two-parent households, almost always, both parents work, leaving the kids to raise themselves. They grow up without being taught basic manners and courtesy.

    As more and more people move into a city, it creates a housing shortage, streets jammed with traffic, freeways jammed with traffic, scarce parking spaces, and long lines where ever you want to go. And, each of those can cause tempers to flare.

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    Oct 31, 2009 10:25 PM GMT
    The world is going to hell in a hand basket. Just make sure you stock up on AC
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    Oct 31, 2009 10:54 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    jprichva saidAnd I didn't name you, shitbag. You outed yourself. And you've never been man enough to apologize.


    Why should I apologize? Why should I be somehow ashamed that I am the one who hoped that the birthday you recently celebrated would be your last?

    I view you as a thoroughly despicable person based on the way you treat me and others on here who disagree with you.



    funny pictures of cats with captions ... icon_biggrin.gif... I cant see how anybody can do anything on this site that warrants death ... icon_eek.gif ... Really, you need to get a grip on reality. ... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Oct 31, 2009 10:58 PM GMT
    jprichva said... You demonstrate daily that you are the sort of person that honorable people avoid like the plague.

    Speaking of the plague....have I mentioned the healthy workers' rights in the workplace...

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    Nov 01, 2009 12:37 AM GMT
    MsclDrew said I swear every generation for the last 2000 years have complained that the one that comes after them are much more...whatever...than they ever were. ..
    It's one part hypocrisy, one part agoraphobia and one part the limitations of humanity.



    Literature from every era of history bears this out. Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, medieval Europeans all thought current manners and morals were degenerating. The only exception might be the Victorians who trumped everybody on the morals front.

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    Nov 01, 2009 12:51 AM GMT
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    MsclDrew said I swear every generation for the last 2000 years have complained that the one that comes after them are much more...whatever...than they ever were. ..
    It's one part hypocrisy, one part agoraphobia and one part the limitations of humanity.



    Literature from every era of history bears this out. Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, medieval Europeans all thought current manners and morals were degenerating. The only exception might be the Victorians who trumped everybody on the morals front.



    Did ever see Queen Victoria.....I just assumed if there was no chance in hell of anything ever getting up there....and this was 50 years before electronics of a personal female nature.....

    So she was was going to make sure everyone was living in the same misery