Next time i hear an "Educator" say the safest sex is abstinence,

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    Oct 31, 2009 4:46 PM GMT
    I'm going to argue.

    Abstinence is not sex, its the absence of sex.

    Masturbation is the safest sex.

    Thank you.

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    Oct 31, 2009 7:16 PM GMT
    That is very true, but then Sarah Palins daughter practiced absitence, right?
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    Oct 31, 2009 7:19 PM GMT

    Actually, safe sex is the safest sex. Masturbation is not sex, but manual manipulation of the genitals with the express intent to ejaculate. Abstinence is not sex at all. If we are going to really reach people about safe sex, the only way is to own the act and that people will most likely do it, not abstain, not masturbate.

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    Nov 01, 2009 1:52 AM GMT
    zack322222 saidThat is very true, but then Sarah Palins daughter practiced absitence, right?


    Yes, and despite the practice she still wasn't very good at it.
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    Nov 01, 2009 1:54 AM GMT
    GuiltyGear said
    Actually, safe sex is the safest sex. Masturbation is not sex, but manual manipulation of the genitals with the express intent to ejaculate. Abstinence is not sex at all. If we are going to really reach people about safe sex, the only way is to own the act and that people will most likely do it, not abstain, not masturbate.



    I beg your pardon, I have the greatest sex with my left hand. We are perfect together!icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 01, 2009 1:54 AM GMT
    I bet vows of abstinence break more often than condoms.
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    Nov 01, 2009 2:04 AM GMT
    wrestlervic said

    I beg your pardon, I have the greatest sex with my left hand. We are perfect together!icon_wink.gif


    I don't doubt it, but I think your left hand looks more content in your default photo. icon_redface.gif

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    Nov 01, 2009 2:09 AM GMT
    Squarejaw saidI bet vows of abstinence break more often than condoms.


    whats a condom?
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    Nov 01, 2009 2:52 AM GMT
    OMG! A few weeks ago, we got our quarterly STD briefing and this civilian was giving the brief. I think he was retired from the Army. But anyway, this douche bag had the gaul to tell married people that unprotected sex with your married partner is okay based on the presumption of monogamy and he constantly downplayed the effectiveness of condoms by referring to contracting something on the legs (albeit with symptoms obviously showing!!). He also had the audacity to say that his office just recently received an HIV+ result on someone and said out loud that he was going to wait until Monday (this was on a Friday) to tell the unit commander in order to notify the soldier (notifying the chain of command is the correct procedure because there are legal counseling requirements such as telling all sexual partners before sex)!!!! HE WAS GOING TO WAIT TIL MONDAY AND RISK THE PUBLIC FOR A FEW DAYS!!!!!!!

  • Anto

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    Nov 01, 2009 3:24 AM GMT
    waxon saidI'm going to argue.

    Abstinence is not sex, its the absence of sex.

    Masturbation is the safest sex.

    Thank you.

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    Yeah abstinence is not safe sex, it's not sex at all.
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    Nov 01, 2009 3:27 AM GMT
    GuiltyGear said
    Actually, safe sex is the safest sex. Masturbation is not sex, but manual manipulation of the genitals with the express intent to ejaculate. Abstinence is not sex at all. If we are going to really reach people about safe sex, the only way is to own the act and that people will most likely do it, not abstain, not masturbate.



    Masturbation is sex. So is kissing if it's done to cause sexual arousal and/or gratification. That's what sex is.

    There is no such thing as safe sex either. Too bad it was decided to use that phrase because it makes people feel like they can have sex without catching anything or that they are not exposing themselves to risk when they have sex.
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    Nov 01, 2009 6:46 AM GMT
    having been an educator, this convo was supposedly off-limits to us; however, in reality my kids would ask me about it all the time. what would be "best" is to acknowledge that our "innocent" children are not innocent, and that they NEED to be educated about condoms, safer sex alternatives, and all the options readily available to everyone else.
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    Nov 01, 2009 7:21 AM GMT
    Anto said
    GuiltyGear said
    Actually, safe sex is the safest sex. Masturbation is not sex, but manual manipulation of the genitals with the express intent to ejaculate. Abstinence is not sex at all. If we are going to really reach people about safe sex, the only way is to own the act and that people will most likely do it, not abstain, not masturbate.



    Masturbation is sex. So is kissing if it's done to cause sexual arousal and/or gratification. That's what sex is.

    There is no such thing as safe sex either. Too bad it was decided to use that phrase because it makes people feel like they can have sex without catching anything or that they are not exposing themselves to risk when they have sex.




    The risk of infection from STD's are 100% if precautions aren't taken and 5% (the margin of error if all of the precautions are maximally effective) so what should you care if people think it's completely safe? It's better than nothing and 95% effective. From a teaching perspective the goal is to prevent disease and since the only SEX one can most likely get infected from is actual sex, your kissing and masturbation are irrelevant and not sex in that context.

    My point was that people are going to HAVE SEX, not masturbate, not abstain, and should be taught how to take precautions when they...have...sex so they can do it safely and lower their risk of infection. A good teacher would stress, safe sex lowers infection, not that safe sex prevents infection completely....DUH. ....You said: "there is no safe sex", that burns me up. Bike helmets can crack, seat belts can (very unlikely) get stuck...so they aren't safe and people should stop wearing them?





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    Nov 01, 2009 4:27 PM GMT
    Oh Yea GG. You forgot that air bags can pop your head off when they go off...
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    Nov 01, 2009 4:34 PM GMT
    GuiltyGear said
    Anto said
    GuiltyGear said
    Actually, safe sex is the safest sex. Masturbation is not sex, but manual manipulation of the genitals with the express intent to ejaculate. Abstinence is not sex at all. If we are going to really reach people about safe sex, the only way is to own the act and that people will most likely do it, not abstain, not masturbate.



    Masturbation is sex. So is kissing if it's done to cause sexual arousal and/or gratification. That's what sex is.

    There is no such thing as safe sex either. Too bad it was decided to use that phrase because it makes people feel like they can have sex without catching anything or that they are not exposing themselves to risk when they have sex.




    The risk of infection from STD's are 100% if precautions aren't taken and 5% (the margin of error if all of the precautions are maximally effective) so what should you care if people think it's completely safe? It's better than nothing and 95% effective. From a teaching perspective the goal is to prevent disease and since the only SEX one can most likely get infected from is actual sex, your kissing and masturbation are irrelevant and not sex in that context.

    My point was that people are going to HAVE SEX, not masturbate, not abstain, and should be taught how to take precautions when they...have...sex so they can do it safely and lower their risk of infection. A good teacher would stress, safe sex lowers infection, not that safe sex prevents infection completely....DUH. ....You said: "there is no safe sex", that burns me up. Bike helmets can crack, seat belts can (very unlikely) get stuck...so they aren't safe and people should stop wearing them?








    i kind of agree with u but one of the reasons why i had the urge to post this is because i saw a news article that said somewhere in Europe they were trying to ...in a subtle way lighten up on masturbation because its such taboo. However when u don't masturbate ur sex drive gets stronger and u get hornier (or at least i know i do) and it causes u to have the urge to go out and have sex instead of taking care of it on ur own. There have been many times were ive wanted to just call up a fuck buddy and have at it but i just masturbate instead and that urge goes away. I end up being glad that i masturbated instead of hooking up
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    Nov 01, 2009 6:11 PM GMT
    Is it safe to watch each other masturbate on webcam?
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    Nov 01, 2009 8:26 PM GMT
    u can tell a kid till ur blue in the face not to have sex, but if they want it , theyre still going to do it its human nature
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    Nov 01, 2009 8:32 PM GMT

    Exactly, and you can either send them out with some knowledge on how to protect themselves or send them out with nothing at all. They already know how to masturbate, they do that anyways, when they can't score.


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    Nov 01, 2009 9:14 PM GMT
    The risk of infection from STD's are 100% if precautions aren't taken and 5% (the margin of error if all of the precautions are maximally effective) so what should you care if people think it's completely safe? It's better than nothing and 95% effective.

    Where are you getting 95% from? And transfer of disease is not 100% if precautions are not taken.. It varies in both cases depending on a lot of factors.

    Sex is not just penis-in-anus or penis-in-vagina. Kissing can be a form of sex, oral, just having bodies touch, or fondling genitals - all of that if done for sexual arousal and/or gratification IS SEX. It's also risky activity because it's very easy to spread different kinds of diseases that way or transfer them from one place on the body to another, including diseases that are not often thought of as being sexually transmitted diseases.

    You have to be realistic when talking to people about sex and not sugar coat it in anyway. There is no such thing as 'safe sex'. The phrase 'reduced risk' is much more apt.

    'Safe Sex' implies no risk. That's the problem with it.

    From a teaching perspective the goal is to prevent disease and since the only SEX one can most likely get infected from is actual sex, your kissing and masturbation are irrelevant and not sex in that context.

    That is a complete disservice to people that are being educated because it is not true. It is sex if it's done for sexual arousal and/or gratification. How is that so hard to understand? And you can spread diseases that way, including kinds more often associated with other forms of sexual activity.

    A good teacher would stress, safe sex lowers infection, not that safe sex prevents infection completely....DUH. ....You said: "there is no safe sex", that burns me up. Bike helmets can crack, seat belts can (very unlikely) get stuck...so they aren't safe and people should stop wearing them?


    Why would that mean people should stop using them? That doesn't make any sense in regard to what I'm saying.

    Don't get mad at me for improper use of terms and abuse of phrases.
    There is no such thing as safe sex. For example, wearing a condom does not make sex safe. There are all kinds of disease a person can still catch despite wearing a condom.
    Any time you interact with another person's body like physical contact, close intimacy, or sharing of body fluids - your run the risk of transmitting or receiving infectious organisms.

    It doesn't even have to involve sexual activity. Take the sport of wrestling for example. Due to close contact with skin, outbreaks of herpes gladiatorum can and does occur.

    There are disease that people don't even commonly think about as being diseases transferred through sexual activity, like certain kinds of intestinal parasites more commonly found amongst gay men, like Entamoeba histolytica. You could spread that to someone else or yourself just by touching a guys ass area or crotch (or your own if infected) and transferring infectious cysts to your mouth or onto other surfaces where other people could then pick it up and unknowingly infect themselves with, most people don't even know they are infected with it while being contagious.

    But if you wear a condom, you are having safe sex, right?.. See it's completely misleading.