Unborn baby grabs surgeon's finger--amazing!

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    Nov 01, 2009 7:05 PM GMT
    fetus in uterus

    The picture is that
    of a 21-week-old unborn baby named Samuel
    Alexander Armas, who is being operated on by
    surgeon named Joseph Bruner.

    The baby was
    diagnosed with spina bifida and would not
    survive if removed from his mother's womb.
    Little Samuel's mother, Julie Armas, is an
    obstetrics nurse in Atlanta . She knew of Dr
    Bruner's remarkable
    Surgical procedure.
    Practicing at Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr in
    Nashville , he performs these special operations
    while the baby is still in the
    womb.

    During the procedure, the doctor
    removes the uterus via C-section and makes a
    small incision to operate on the baby. As Dr
    Bruner completed the surgery on Samuel, the
    little guy reached his tiny, but fully
    developed
    Hand through the incision and
    firmly grasped the surgeon's finger. Dr Bruner
    was reported as saying that when his finger was
    grasped, it was the most emotional moment of his
    life, and that for an instant during the
    procedure he was just frozen, totally immobile.


    The photograph captures this amazing
    event with perfect clarity The editors titled
    the picture, 'Hand of Hope.' The text explaining
    the picture begins, 'The tiny hand of
    21-week-old fetus Samuel Alexander Armas emerges
    from the mother's uterus to grasp the finger of
    Dr Joseph Bruner as if thanking the doctor for
    the gift of life.'

    Little Samuel's
    mother said they 'wept for days' when they saw
    the picture. She said, 'The photo reminds us
    pregnancy isn't about disability or an illness,
    it's about a little person.'Samuel was born in
    perfect health, the operation 100 percent
    successful.

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    Nov 01, 2009 7:48 PM GMT
    http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/babysamuel.htm


    The Truth: The surgery cited in this story did take place, but the accounts of what actually happened are hotly disputed.

    Dr. Joseph Bruner at Vanderbilt is known for his work in fetal surgery, especially on babies with spina bifida, a condition in which the spine does not close properly during development.

    Vanderbilt confirms that little Samuel Armus was 21 weeks-old in the womb when this surgery took place in 1999, which made the surgery very risky because if anything went wrong, the baby could survive on its own. Dr. Bruner and his colleagues, however, had done numerous successful spina bifida surgeries on fetuses that are not yet viable.

    In this particular surgery, photographer Michael Clancy was in the operating room to document surgery on such a young fetus.

    Clancy said that "out of the corner of my eye I saw the uterus shake, but no one's hands were near it. It was shaking from within. Suddenly, an entire arm thrust out of the opening, then pulled back until just a little hand was showing. The doctor reached over and lifted the hand, which reacted and squeezed the doctor's finger. As if testing for strength, the doctor shook the tiny fist."

    The picture became a sensation as a forwarded email especially among opponents of abortion. The surgeon, Dr. Bruner, told USA Today in 2000 that the picture was being treated like an urban legend and that he'd even received a report that a team of medical experts had called it a hoax. Bruner confirmed that the surgery and the photo were real but said that it was "not true" that the baby reached out of the womb and grabbed his hand, as some of the forwarded emails alleged. "Samuel and his mother, Julie, were under anesthesia and could not move," he said. "The baby did not reach out. The baby was anesthetized. The baby was not aware of what was going on."

    Michael Clancy, who owns the copyright to the photo, was stunned by Bruner's comments and maintains that they do not fit what he saw happen during the surgery and when he took his pictures. On his website at www.michaelclancy.com, Clancy said he knows what he saw and also quoted a nurse at Vanderbilt who told him that she'd seen babies do that "all the time."

    The surgery was successful and little Samuel Armas was born on December 2, 1999.





    THE MORAL OF THE STORY: When you have to fabricate the facts, or pass on a fabrication of facts in order to persuade a point of view, then the point of view is weak to begin with.
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    Nov 01, 2009 7:50 PM GMT
    Anyone else thinking "alien"?

    Jus sayin
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    Nov 01, 2009 7:51 PM GMT
    I totally did!
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    Nov 01, 2009 8:30 PM GMT
    The sheer insanity of the anti-abortion crowd could not be more manifest.
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    Nov 01, 2009 9:41 PM GMT
    The picture's gross kinda but it's heart-warming for something like that to happen.
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    Nov 01, 2009 9:54 PM GMT
    i wasnt thinking alien, but rather It's Alive!
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    Nov 01, 2009 10:25 PM GMT
    I can't help thinking of the Biblical story of baby Jacob grasping the heel of his brother Esau as their mother Rebekah, the wife of Isaac, was giving birth.
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    Nov 01, 2009 10:26 PM GMT
    Looks like G_force is trying to promote his aint-abortion agenda. You'd think after 10 years they might have better evidence.

    Thanks Armydude, nice moral.

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    Nov 01, 2009 10:42 PM GMT
    NotThatOld saidI can't help thinking of the Biblical story of baby Jacob grasping the heel of his brother Esau as their mother Rebekah, the wife of Isaac, was giving birth.


    Oh please keep that nonsense to the "spirituality" forum where it belongs! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 01, 2009 10:54 PM GMT
    I was just awed by this and the amazing development of life in the womb. I do have ultrasound photos of my own child at only 12 weeks, and the pictures clearly show a very human form. She's 18 now. I have to admit the most awesome experience in my life was to witness with my own eyes her birth. I have not experienced nothing more astounding than this. Medical technology is rapidly advancing more than we can possibly comprehend. It definitely is changing the way we view human life.
  • GQjock

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    Nov 01, 2009 11:45 PM GMT
    Ummmm .....

    In case you didn't know babies are born with a clutch reflex icon_confused.gif
  • GoodPup

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    Nov 01, 2009 11:55 PM GMT
    Interesting article... definitely a little sugar coated for the anti-abortionists, but I think that clear to both sides.

    What I am wondering now, how do they determine when its a living person worth saving, rather than just a fetus? At how many weeks is abortion no longer aloud? At how many weeks is it considered to be a life worth having surgery?
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    Nov 02, 2009 12:34 AM GMT
    I can't help put think of the harry potter story where Dumbledore made the candles float in the cafeterium and pumpkin juice appeared from thin air icon_razz.gif
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    Nov 02, 2009 12:46 AM GMT
    False belief systems and their followers, have long used questionable propaganda as a tool to manipulate other weak minded folks.

    Many organisms (including plants) have reflex responses. So?

    I'm not sure I'd file this under "Gay News and Events." A more suitable topic header might be "More Voodoo From The Religious Right."
  • str8hardbody9

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    Nov 02, 2009 1:48 AM GMT
    Oh my gosh it's like in the movie "Alien". This this really happened?
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    Nov 02, 2009 1:57 AM GMT
    I know the OP has a penchant for posting pics of younger men, er, boys, but this is ridiculous.
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    Nov 02, 2009 2:11 AM GMT
    GQjock saidUmmmm .....

    In case you didn't know babies are born with a clutch reflex icon_confused.gif


    and a gag reflex
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    Nov 02, 2009 2:14 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidFalse belief systems and their followers, have long used questionable propaganda as a tool to manipulate other weak minded folks.

    Many organisms (including plants) have reflex responses. So?

    I'm not sure I'd file this under "Gay News and Events." A more suitable topic header might be "More Voodoo From The Religious Right."


    Where do you see any religion in this surgical procedure performed on this fetus? This is about the advancement of medical technology, which has allowed us to perform surgery on the unborn. No religion is even mentioned here.
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    Nov 02, 2009 2:18 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie said
    GQjock saidUmmmm .....

    In case you didn't know babies are born with a clutch reflex icon_confused.gif


    and a gag reflex

    And air peeing!
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    Nov 02, 2009 2:44 AM GMT
    TigerTim saidThe sheer insanity of the anti-abortion crowd could not be more manifest.


    I find it more insane that a civilized society would suck that little guy out of his Mom with a vacuum. Are you shocked to see there is an actual human inside the belly? Better keep this pic under wraps so we can continue to marginalize the "fetus" as something non-human.
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    Nov 02, 2009 2:50 AM GMT
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    TigerTim saidThe sheer insanity of the anti-abortion crowd could not be more manifest.


    I find it more insane that a civilized society would suck that little guy out of his Mom with a vacuum. Are you shocked to see there is an actual human inside the belly? Better keep this pic under wraps so we can continue to marginalize the "fetus" as something non-human.


    I agree. We've legalized murder on the unborn and that is insanity.
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    Nov 02, 2009 3:56 AM GMT
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    chuckystud saidWhere do you see any religion in this surgical procedure performed on this fetus? This is about the advancement of medical technology, which has allowed us to perform surgery on the unborn. No religion is even mentioned here.


    Well they gotta blame someone for being anti-abortion... so it has to be religious nuts, right? Because of course, everyone who is anti-abortion must be a religious nut. Although... most religious nuts are usually anti-gay too... right? Uh-oh, so realjock.com, a site for gay fitness MUST have been invaded by straight religious nuts!

    Ok... so a little sarcasm to say, he posted this having nothing to do with religion. Its a matter of opinions based on facts when people feel the "fetus" is a living person.

    But I've had the whole abortion debate on this site, and other places... and I think I'm just reminded here that people are not gonna change their opinions on this one too easily. You'll get different people in office for and against it that will take one side to the lead, then someone else will take over and move the opposing team forward.
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    Nov 02, 2009 4:05 AM GMT
    coolarmydude saidhttp://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/babysamuel.htm


    The Truth: The surgery cited in this story did take place, but the accounts of what actually happened are hotly disputed.

    Dr. Joseph Bruner at Vanderbilt is known for his work in fetal surgery, especially on babies with spina bifida, a condition in which the spine does not close properly during development.

    Vanderbilt confirms that little Samuel Armus was 21 weeks-old in the womb when this surgery took place in 1999, which made the surgery very risky because if anything went wrong, the baby could survive on its own. Dr. Bruner and his colleagues, however, had done numerous successful spina bifida surgeries on fetuses that are not yet viable.

    In this particular surgery, photographer Michael Clancy was in the operating room to document surgery on such a young fetus.

    Clancy said that "out of the corner of my eye I saw the uterus shake, but no one's hands were near it. It was shaking from within. Suddenly, an entire arm thrust out of the opening, then pulled back until just a little hand was showing. The doctor reached over and lifted the hand, which reacted and squeezed the doctor's finger. As if testing for strength, the doctor shook the tiny fist."

    The picture became a sensation as a forwarded email especially among opponents of abortion. The surgeon, Dr. Bruner, told USA Today in 2000 that the picture was being treated like an urban legend and that he'd even received a report that a team of medical experts had called it a hoax. Bruner confirmed that the surgery and the photo were real but said that it was "not true" that the baby reached out of the womb and grabbed his hand, as some of the forwarded emails alleged. "Samuel and his mother, Julie, were under anesthesia and could not move," he said. "The baby did not reach out. The baby was anesthetized. The baby was not aware of what was going on."

    Michael Clancy, who owns the copyright to the photo, was stunned by Bruner's comments and maintains that they do not fit what he saw happen during the surgery and when he took his pictures. On his website at www.michaelclancy.com, Clancy said he knows what he saw and also quoted a nurse at Vanderbilt who told him that she'd seen babies do that "all the time."

    The surgery was successful and little Samuel Armas was born on December 2, 1999.





    THE MORAL OF THE STORY: When you have to fabricate the facts, or pass on a fabrication of facts in order to persuade a point of view, then the point of view is weak to begin with.


    There are no substantial differences between your account and the OP's. The baby did grab the doctor's hand
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    Nov 02, 2009 4:10 AM GMT
    what i've always found interesting is that when the baby is not wanted it is referred to as a fetus.

    but when it is wanted, it is referred to as a baby or child.

    interesting semantics