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Has anyone ever tried this? How did it go?

I have tried it. Did the most concentrated one. Me and 3 friends got together and smoked it out of a water bong. I was the first one to hit it, being the most curious one. At first, I experience some intense laughter, I couldn't stop...then when sat back, I like melted into the couch. I had like a line going down the center of my body, on the left side, everything was frozen, but on the right..it was like in slow motion. After that, I then seen this door to my right, in the air, I opened it, and it was like the doorway to the stars...it was awesome. But then when I was coming down, I couldn't tell what was real and what wasn't. It's a great thing if you don't like being in control of your "high" but if you want control...don't do it. I haven't done it since then.

Oh and for those who don't know what it is, it's legal so I wasn't doing anything illegal, lol.

My roommate is growing four plants of this, so hopefully ill get to try it before she moves out. I also have some datura seeds that are supposed to be a strong hallucinogenic, but I haven't tried it yet.

A new plant based hallucinogen? Please, guys, details, details!

Be careful, the hallucinations are probably the most convincing I've ever experienced. Even though there wasn't that much visual stuff when I tried it, the 'scenario' going on in my head had me convinced it was true, which has never happened with anything else I've tried. I recommend a sober sitter if you and pals want to try just in case. It should be good times.

Yes!!! Definately have a sober sitter like Rune said...people can flip out on this stuff.

Fryblock, being an ER doc who's seen MANY patients high on datura, I emphatically wouldn't recommend it--it's a very unpleasant high and lasts much longer than you'd like. Research the side effects---dry mouth, high temperature, bladder sphincter spasm and difficulty urinating---and you might want to reconsider.

If I ever did try it, it would be a small dose, but I'll keep in mind what you said. I doubt I'll ever get around to doing them.

Rugger -

You can get it easily, just google it. There are a number of websites dedicated to just the stuff.

It keeps well stored dry. And its not to expensive if you want to try it out.

Best to try it without any outside stimulus to see the how it works for you. Later I would recommend some background music.

I just went to a lecture on this stuff (I do research on drug addicts). Look it up on youtube and you'll see the effects it has on people that try it.

Here are some results from a test on the effects among 500 users:
http://www.erowid.org/general/newsletter/erowid_newsletter6.pdf : Info on page 13

Increased insight, 47%
Improved mood, 44.8%
Increased Connection with Universe or Nature, 39.8%
Increased sweating, 28.2%
Body felt warm or hot, 25.2%
Increased self-confidence, 21.6%
Improved concentration, 19.4%

Decreased insight, 1.8%
Worsened mood, 4.0%
Decreased Connection with Universe or Nature, 5.4%
Decreased sweating, 1.6%
Body felt cold, 6.4%
Decreased self-confidence, 2.4%
Difficulty concentrating, 12.0%

Umm... if it's a hallucinogen, that pretty much by definition means a decreased connection with the universe and nature. This also strongly suggests a sign error for the "insight" figures.

I would assume that's a subjective experience of connection, which is common with hallucinogens. One is connected whether high or not since we are by definition part of the phenomenal world.

Salvia is not new. I did it over 20 years ago when I lived the better part of a year in Mexico. I was very interested in Oaxacan art and the stuff is native to that area of Mexico. I didn't smoke it; it was prepared in a tea. Intense visual hallucinations for about 30 minutes. I didn't find it as interesting as LSD but I appreciated the brevity.

The shit didn't do a damned thing to me. Interesting pharmacology though- salvinorin is a k-opioid agonist. Most psychedelics are serotonergic.

Rugger,

You can get it at any head shop in Austin.

It's easily the most powerful hallucinogen I've ever experienced. Definitely have a trip sitter and be in a safe area. You can easily get disoriented and could hurt yourself if you don't have someone watching you.

I'm not sure I would ever do it again. Every other hallucinogen I could tell myself it's just the drug and I could "control" the trip. Not with Salvia, you won't know you smoked any.

Be safe.

This ( SALVIA ) is by far the worst loaded experience ever. I get horny when i 'm high and it was like my entire family was n the room commenting on my orneriness. Several others i know have said this is the worst hi they know of too. A swampy hi,quick & more mental than Marijuana. i don't remember the smell nor will i be trying it again. did anyone c the movie HALFNELSON or PERMANENT MIDNIGHT. I read every book can find on these expereinces."You'll never eat lunch in this town again" is one of the funniest out there abouut these lifestyle choices. i wonder what the newest chemical will be in following years .

I've watched a few salvia trip videos on YouTube, and I have no desire to do that to myself.

My favorite K-opioid agonist is buprenorphine, to hell with salvia.

Had some in Mexico a few years ago when I was surfing down there ( thought it was a regular joint, hadn't had one of those in years, so... :lol; had "3x"... very intense hallucinogenic properties.

Reminded me very much of a deep meditation - especially my 'vision quest' when I was a teenager. Illusion - clarity - of being one with everything, talking to plants and animals. Very peacefull.

The - perception/interaction/hallucinogenic view of the ocean was incredibly intense - overwhelming really.

Very pleasant after affect... very mellow.

Have been told that it is much more intense from a bong, or from one of the more concentrated varieties available.

Smoking does give a better experience than just chewing leaves or tea. Having only gone the inhale route I can't speak on the other options.

Same claim is made to adding extract to the product. Supposed to heighten the experience.

I'm not sure but smoking it might be just as bad as a cigarette due to lung irritation. Having never seen any study on it I can only guess

You guys are scaring me. I have some Angel Trumpets growing in my back yard if you are interested.

Hell, I take meds every day to keep FROM hallucinating. Once you have OCD you will never touch hallucinogens ever again.

Best stuff out there... I've done it several times, and if it weren't for the fact that it's F#^&ing expensive, I'd be doing it more!

Salvia's pretty safe as long as you know how to use it (or get coaching from someone who knows how to use it) and there's minimal negative effects! I'm able to pick right up and go straight to the gym fifteen minutes after taking a hit and have no problems at all (NO TOXICITY!) But I think the best part's the five minutes of the most relaxing feeling you've ever had

And guess what else is great about this new weed? NOT ADDICTIVE!! I've done it four times over the past year, and I've never had any "spontaneous urges" to go out buy the shit on a whim.

Be careful, use a blowtorch and waterbong, and make sure you're sitting when you use it. ENJOY!!

Uh... be careful with those Datura seeds - they are after all... a neurotoxic poison...

I've done it twice. I was just looking for other stories for comparison.

Definitely powerful stuff and not for the insecure.

drugs are for losers

XRuggerATX saidI've done it twice. I was just looking for other stories for comparison.

Definitely powerful stuff and not for the insecure.

Or for the insecure

Good point. It could allow some guys to lighten up a bit.

p.s. cell pics are for losers

XRuggerATX saidGood point. It could allow some guys to lighten up a bit.

p.s. cell pics are for losers

I think you missed my point, Rugger. Or was that in reply to me ?

Mike

Ok... I've used this variety of sage once before... years ago... when I was in New Mexico for a vision quest. Native Americans have used this for everything from vision quests to medicine for various ailments for centuries.

I took it as a tea, which is the traditional way for vision quests. Sometimes peyote is used instead, which I've done once, but it wasn't available for this quest. Yes, this is powerful stuff. It really isn't something I'd recommend for recreational use, especially on a regular basis... and if you do, make sure you have a sitter present. Be cautious about higher concentrations because there is a very dark side to this stuff... too much or too great a strength and your visions become hellish and more realistic, the effects longer, and you can damage your psyche.

nah that ps wasn't for you mike

native: Damage your psyche? How? I know a newbie who got in over his head with it recently.

YouTube has some "interesting" videos of it...

I've seen the youtube videos that a few respondents have mentioned.

What someone is experiencing mentally shouldn't be judged by others who are merely watching the body react, unless there is imminent danger. Otherwise, there'd be no such thing as dancing.

The babbling owes a great deal to the fact that the experience is so profound that humans have trouble coming up with words to explain what they're experiencing. It's a little like an indigenous person living on the equator trying to explain snowfall. Sentences start but often can't be finished due to limitations in vocabulary.

A powerful spiritual event doesn't need to look normal, because it's not about satisfying the witnesses. If the pentecostals can babble incoherently and flail about in the name of profound spirituality, so can other people.

so my question is, why is trying something like this okay, and not frowned upon by the group, but trying something like meth is?

Addiction, mainly. Salvia has no addictive properties.

Red up on each drug and you should be able to see some important and dinstinct differences.

Huh, soft drugs... I would if I could, but I don't know anyone who has this drug. It's been a while since I've done any drugs to mellow me out... Is it obvious? Damn it! Where are my stoner hippy friends when I need them? Just don't expect me to do/try any hard drugs ever again. I've been reading old books and doing brain games a few times a week to bring my brain back up to it's former abilities and then some!

I would not necessarily call this a "soft drug". It is rather intense and shouldn't be done casually. That being said, it is not addictive and it seems most who've done it have only done it once, or twice with a large gap in between sessions.

But it is over-the-counter.

My vibrator gives me all the buzz I need.

Tried it once, but not sure i got much out of it. I saw some kids buying some at Planet K over the weekend. If you have any questions about drugs, plants etc. Check out www.erowid.org. very comprehensive site.

fryblock saidMy roommate is growing four plants of this, so hopefully ill get to try it before she moves out. I also have some datura seeds that are supposed to be a strong hallucinogenic, but I haven't tried it yet.

Be careful. Datura can kill you if you harvest it wrong.