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Palin endorsed Hoffman an independent conservative (tea party) candidate in a special election to replace republican rep. McHugh, as did Limbaugh and Beck because the Repulican backed Scozzafava was too liberal in their eyes. The Obama administration and others in turn talked Scozzafave into backing the Democratic Candidate Bill Owens. This further shows the slide toward the far right. Also showing more of the same is Palins add here in Virginia having to do with the Governmors race where she is promoting conservative values voting for the Republican McConnell. When you take this above trend and add it to virtually no republican votes for Health Care Reform, a full 30 Republican Senators voting against the recent Gay Hate Crimes attached to funding for military, and even more eye opening was the same number or more of Republican Senators voting against the Al Frankin bill to allow Military contractors employess who are victims of rape to bring their rape cases into the US courts. This is a dangerous trend toward staunch far right (fundamental christian talaban )conservatives further taking over the Republican Party. We ignore or right this trend off as a mere product of the religious crazies at our own peril. Progressives whether gay or not should 'double down' their efforts to overcome this trend. This group would gladly take us back to the bush/cheney mindset or worse. Am I taking this too seriously? What do you guys think?

It isn't for state senate, it is a congressional race.

But, it is a solidly Republican district. These aren't the bible thumping, abortion doctor killing, crazy Republicans. It is a much more moderate GOP base. That said, the race is surprisingly close.

Owens has a fairly solid platform that doesn't have the marriage equality and guns angle that are problems for these voters (he supports full civil-equality). I think he has a lot of cross over appeal.

Hoffman is insane. Anti-abortion, anti-marriage equality, and that stupid flag waving, eagle crying, god-love America attitude that throws troops at every problem. Fuck him. He has a strong base.

Scozzafava's endorsement might swing things towards Owens. This will be decided by voter turn out. Being an odd year, there aren't State Senate and Assembly elections that can bring out a crowd and special elections are next to impossible to predict. It will all depend on who has the better GOTV strategy.

Aside from the usual "gay" social issues, is Hoffman against the Pelosi / Reid / Obama position on health care "reform?" Where is Hoffman on fiscal policy?

I'm just asking as I don't live up there and haven't had much time to follow that particular congressional race.

southbeach1500 saidAside from the usual "gay" social issues, is Hoffman against the Pelosi / Reid / Obama position on health care "reform?" Where is Hoffman on fiscal policy?

I'm just asking as I don't live up there and haven't had much time to follow that particular congressional race.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's with the teabagger faction !!! which is definately against anything Obama/Reid/Pelosi on any subject

Scozafava suspended her campaign due to lack of finances.

This is the sort of development I feared after the election last year. The GOP is splintering before our eyes, and the scariest elements of the party are ascendant while the reasonable, thoughtful people are being eclipsed. There is no longer any room on the Right for social moderates. Ugly, ugly cultural conservatism is coming out of the closet at long last, fellas, and the country will now see how many haters there really are out there. There have always been more of them than anyone thought...

jarhead5536 saidThis is the sort of development I feared after the election last year. The GOP is splintering before our eyes, and the scariest elements of the party are ascendant while the reasonable, thoughtful people are being eclipsed. There is no longer any room on the Right for social moderates. Ugly, ugly cultural conservatism is coming out of the closet at long last, fellas, and the country will now see how many haters there really are out there. There have always been more of them than anyone thought...

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I agree and you expressed what I believe and fear is happening far better than I !!!!

jarhead5536 saidThis is the sort of development I feared after the election last year. The GOP is splintering before our eyes, and the scariest elements of the party are ascendant while the reasonable, thoughtful people are being eclipsed. There is no longer any room on the Right for social moderates. Ugly, ugly cultural conservatism is coming out of the closet at long last, fellas, and the country will now see how many haters there really are out there. There have always been more of them than anyone thought...

Would be nice if the Reid / Pelosi / Obama ( / Barney Frank / Waxman / Rangel / Nadler / Boxer / Feinstein ) wing of the Democrat party would be abandoned by all the reasonable Democrats, and if the Boehner / McConnell wing of the Republican party would be abandoned by all the reasonable Republicans, and they all formed a centrist party, our government might actually be able to do something good for the country!

Too funny so lets say like myself you are for Civil Unions and reasonable limits on abortion.Does that make you a right wing fanatic lol.I guess the 1980's were the dark ages huh lol.Wait till Roe vs Wade is overturned (that day will happen) guess the screams will make the demons from hell cover their ears lol. Whatever that lady's name is Dede Scoza somethin in upstate NY.She was not chosen in a primary election and she is a far left candidate.Maybe if you are from San Francisco she is a moderate but not in upstate NY lol.

realifedad said

southbeach1500 saidAside from the usual "gay" social issues, is Hoffman against the Pelosi / Reid / Obama position on health care "reform?" Where is Hoffman on fiscal policy?

I'm just asking as I don't live up there and haven't had much time to follow that particular congressional race.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's with the teabagger faction !!! which is definately against anything Obama/Reid/Pelosi on any subject

Thank God. Lol. A conservative in New York.

Pass the sugar for my tea please.

WickedRyan saidToo funny so lets say like myself you are for Civil Unions and reasonable limits on abortion.Does that make you a right wing fanatic lol.I guess the 1980's were the dark ages huh lol.Wait till Roe vs Wade is overturned (that day will happen) guess the screams will make the demons from hell cover their ears lol. Whatever that lady's name is Dede Scoza somethin in upstate NY.She was not chosen in a primary election and she is a far left candidate.Maybe if you are from San Francisco she is a moderate but not in upstate NY lol.

You are an idiot, but at least you're entertaining.
Dede Scozzafava was rated slightly more conservative than the other Republicans in the state assembly. New York Republicans are not the teabagger type, in general. As far as her being "far left", that's really funny. Keep it up. But be sure to wear your big red clown nose. It's so becoming.

jprichva said

WickedRyan saidToo funny so lets say like myself you are for Civil Unions and reasonable limits on abortion.Does that make you a right wing fanatic lol.I guess the 1980's were the dark ages huh lol.Wait till Roe vs Wade is overturned (that day will happen) guess the screams will make the demons from hell cover their ears lol. Whatever that lady's name is Dede Scoza somethin in upstate NY.She was not chosen in a primary election and she is a far left candidate.Maybe if you are from San Francisco she is a moderate but not in upstate NY lol.

You are an idiot, but at least you're entertaining.
Dede Scozzafava was rated slightly more conservative than the other Republicans in the state assembly. New York Republicans are not the teabagger type, in general. As far as her being "far left", that's really funny. Keep it up. But be sure to wear your big red clown nose. It's so becoming.

Oh God, here he goes. Now that jprichva has set his account to ignore my posts, he's going after you WickedRyan with his set bag of insults.

Congratulations, you are now the recipient of the jprichva "big red clown nose" insult.

Don't let jprichva intimidate you... he's just a bitter, lonely and very close minded person.

WickedRyan saidToo funny so lets say like myself you are for Civil Unions and reasonable limits on abortion.Does that make you a right wing fanatic lol.I guess the 1980's were the dark ages huh lol.Wait till Roe vs Wade is overturned (that day will happen) guess the screams will make the demons from hell cover their ears lol. Whatever that lady's name is Dede Scoza somethin in upstate NY.She was not chosen in a primary election and she is a far left candidate.Maybe if you are from San Francisco she is a moderate but not in upstate NY lol.

When you have you been in a situation where you had to decide if you wanted an abortion?

The sad thing here is that all Republican Party county organizations in that district backed Scozzafava's candidacy. So in effect the national twits got involved and nationalized a local race based on their own litmus tests - not necessarily those of the voters in the local district.

Momentum_Play saidThe sad thing here is that all Republican Party county organizations in that district backed Scozzafava's candidacy. So in effect the national twits got involved and nationalized a local race based on their own litmus tests - not necessarily those of the voters in the local district.

Republicans are fundamentally uncomfortable with the very idea of democracy. They are authoritarian at heart. So if a district chooses their own nominee, they must swoop down from the top and subvert her, just in case everyone in the GOP gets the idea that they can act independently.

Timberoo saidScozafava suspended her campaign due to lack of finances.

HAHAHA! 4 days before the election?!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

jprichva said

Momentum_Play saidThe sad thing here is that all Republican Party county organizations in that district backed Scozzafava's candidacy. So in effect the national twits got involved and nationalized a local race based on their own litmus tests - not necessarily those of the voters in the local district.

Republicans are fundamentally uncomfortable with the very idea of democracy. They are authoritarian at heart. So if a district chooses their own nominee, they must swoop down from the top and subvert her, just in case everyone in the GOP gets the idea that they can act independently.

Kind of the way Obama has told NYS Governor Patterson not to run for reelection?

Timberoo said

jprichva said

Momentum_Play saidThe sad thing here is that all Republican Party county organizations in that district backed Scozzafava's candidacy. So in effect the national twits got involved and nationalized a local race based on their own litmus tests - not necessarily those of the voters in the local district.

Republicans are fundamentally uncomfortable with the very idea of democracy. They are authoritarian at heart. So if a district chooses their own nominee, they must swoop down from the top and subvert her, just in case everyone in the GOP gets the idea that they can act independently.

Kind of the way Obama has told NYS Governor Patterson not to run for reelection?

Touché.

jprichva saidRepublicans are fundamentally uncomfortable with the very idea of democracy. They are authoritarian at heart. So if a district chooses their own nominee, they must swoop down from the top and subvert her, just in case everyone in the GOP gets the idea that they can act independently.

Wow, this is the clearest illustration yet of how backwards your thinking is. And by extension, since most of you agree with him, most of the membership here.

Authoritarian is the government mandating that you must have health insurance coverage.

Authoritarian is the idea that compensation of employees at publicly held companies (think stock exchange, not GM or Citi which are government owned) should be limited.

I could go on.... but I'm sure the 2 other people on here who are not liberal / socialist / Marxists / Democrats get my point.... and the rest of you won't no matter how many examples I give.

I just read in the Huffington post that Hoffman has received approximately 95% of his political funding from outside the district he is running in. If this isn't the far right pushing to influence outcomes in their direction I don't know what is. Its actually very similar to the amount of outside funding that came inot play with Californias Prop 8 against gay marriage, and seems to be the same funding base in todays similar anti gay marriage Prop. in Maine.

I consider myself more Libertarian. I am fiscally conservative, and would prefer that the govt stay the fuck out of our lives. But since we want the govt to pay for everything, give us everything and govern over us endlessly and tax us unrepentingly. We have what we have. What happened to the "real" Lincoln Republicans? WTF is up with this extreme right wing? The two parties have the market and money cornered so there is no room for any other real parties. We can talk about inclusion but it doesnt happen.

southbeach1500 said

jprichva saidRepublicans are fundamentally uncomfortable with the very idea of democracy. They are authoritarian at heart. So if a district chooses their own nominee, they must swoop down from the top and subvert her, just in case everyone in the GOP gets the idea that they can act independently.

Wow, this is the clearest illustration yet of how backwards your thinking is. And by extension, since most of you agree with him, most of the membership here.

Authoritarian is the government mandating that you must have health insurance coverage.

Authoritarian is the idea that compensation of employees at publicly held companies (think stock exchange, not GM or Citi which are government owned) should be limited.

I could go on.... but I'm sure the 2 other people on here who are not liberal / socialist / Marxists / Democrats get my point.... and the rest of you won't no matter how many examples I give.

The reason there is so much focus on this particular race is because it's the only Congressional race in the country this year.

jprichva said

WickedRyan saidToo funny so lets say like myself you are for Civil Unions and reasonable limits on abortion.Does that make you a right wing fanatic lol.I guess the 1980's were the dark ages huh lol.Wait till Roe vs Wade is overturned (that day will happen) guess the screams will make the demons from hell cover their ears lol. Whatever that lady's name is Dede Scoza somethin in upstate NY.She was not chosen in a primary election and she is a far left candidate.Maybe if you are from San Francisco she is a moderate but not in upstate NY lol.

You are an idiot, but at least you're entertaining.
Dede Scozzafava was rated slightly more conservative than the other Republicans in the state assembly. New York Republicans are not the teabagger type, in general. As far as her being "far left", that's really funny. Keep it up. But be sure to wear your big red clown nose. It's so becoming.

I still don't understand why you seem incapable of just stating your opinion without insulting someone. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't make them an "idiot". Your posts often-times say far more about your own narrow-mindedness than any opinion you are trying to convey.

If someone wants to distort the facts or ignore them it is perfectly appropriate to call them an idiot.

Please pass the tea...and is there any more sugar left?