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Nov 02, 2009 4:43 PM GMT
Palin endorsed Hoffman an independent conservative (tea party) candidate in a special election to replace republican rep. McHugh, as did Limbaugh and Beck because the Repulican backed Scozzafava was too liberal in their eyes. The Obama administration and others in turn talked Scozzafave into backing the Democratic Candidate Bill Owens. This further shows the slide toward the far right. Also showing more of the same is Palins add here in Virginia having to do with the Governmors race where she is promoting conservative values voting for the Republican McConnell. When you take this above trend and add it to virtually no republican votes for Health Care Reform, a full 30 Republican Senators voting against the recent Gay Hate Crimes attached to funding for military, and even more eye opening was the same number or more of Republican Senators voting against the Al Frankin bill to allow Military contractors employess who are victims of rape to bring their rape cases into the US courts. This is a dangerous trend toward staunch far right (fundamental christian talaban )conservatives further taking over the Republican Party. We ignore or right this trend off as a mere product of the religious crazies at our own peril. Progressives whether gay or not should 'double down' their efforts to overcome this trend. This group would gladly take us back to the bush/cheney mindset or worse. Am I taking this too seriously? What do you guys think?
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Nov 02, 2009 5:05 PM GMT
It isn't for state senate, it is a congressional race.
But, it is a solidly Republican district. These aren't the bible thumping, abortion doctor killing, crazy Republicans. It is a much more moderate GOP base. That said, the race is surprisingly close.
Owens has a fairly solid platform that doesn't have the marriage equality and guns angle that are problems for these voters (he supports full civil-equality). I think he has a lot of cross over appeal.
Hoffman is insane. Anti-abortion, anti-marriage equality, and that stupid flag waving, eagle crying, god-love America attitude that throws troops at every problem. Fuck him. He has a strong base.
Scozzafava's endorsement might swing things towards Owens. This will be decided by voter turn out. Being an odd year, there aren't State Senate and Assembly elections that can bring out a crowd and special elections are next to impossible to predict. It will all depend on who has the better GOTV strategy.
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Nov 02, 2009 6:19 PM GMT
Aside from the usual "gay" social issues, is Hoffman against the Pelosi / Reid / Obama position on health care "reform?" Where is Hoffman on fiscal policy?
I'm just asking as I don't live up there and haven't had much time to follow that particular congressional race.
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Nov 02, 2009 6:26 PM GMT
southbeach1500 saidAside from the usual "gay" social issues, is Hoffman against the Pelosi / Reid / Obama position on health care "reform?" Where is Hoffman on fiscal policy?
I'm just asking as I don't live up there and haven't had much time to follow that particular congressional race. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's with the teabagger faction !!! which is definately against anything Obama/Reid/Pelosi on any subject |
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Nov 02, 2009 6:28 PM GMT
Scozafava suspended her campaign due to lack of finances.
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Nov 02, 2009 6:43 PM GMT
This is the sort of development I feared after the election last year. The GOP is splintering before our eyes, and the scariest elements of the party are ascendant while the reasonable, thoughtful people are being eclipsed. There is no longer any room on the Right for social moderates. Ugly, ugly cultural conservatism is coming out of the closet at long last, fellas, and the country will now see how many haters there really are out there. There have always been more of them than anyone thought...
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Nov 02, 2009 7:58 PM GMT
jarhead5536 saidThis is the sort of development I feared after the election last year. The GOP is splintering before our eyes, and the scariest elements of the party are ascendant while the reasonable, thoughtful people are being eclipsed. There is no longer any room on the Right for social moderates. Ugly, ugly cultural conservatism is coming out of the closet at long last, fellas, and the country will now see how many haters there really are out there. There have always been more of them than anyone thought... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I agree and you expressed what I believe and fear is happening far better than I !!!! |
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Nov 02, 2009 8:20 PM GMT
jarhead5536 saidThis is the sort of development I feared after the election last year. The GOP is splintering before our eyes, and the scariest elements of the party are ascendant while the reasonable, thoughtful people are being eclipsed. There is no longer any room on the Right for social moderates. Ugly, ugly cultural conservatism is coming out of the closet at long last, fellas, and the country will now see how many haters there really are out there. There have always been more of them than anyone thought... Would be nice if the Reid / Pelosi / Obama ( / Barney Frank / Waxman / Rangel / Nadler / Boxer / Feinstein ) wing of the Democrat party would be abandoned by all the reasonable Democrats, and if the Boehner / McConnell wing of the Republican party would be abandoned by all the reasonable Republicans, and they all formed a centrist party, our government might actually be able to do something good for the country! |
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Nov 02, 2009 9:28 PM GMT
Too funny so lets say like myself you are for Civil Unions and reasonable limits on abortion.Does that make you a right wing fanatic lol.I guess the 1980's were the dark ages huh lol.Wait till Roe vs Wade is overturned (that day will happen) guess the screams will make the demons from hell cover their ears lol. Whatever that lady's name is Dede Scoza somethin in upstate NY.She was not chosen in a primary election and she is a far left candidate.Maybe if you are from San Francisco she is a moderate but not in upstate NY lol.
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Nov 02, 2009 10:05 PM GMT
realifedad saidsouthbeach1500 saidAside from the usual "gay" social issues, is Hoffman against the Pelosi / Reid / Obama position on health care "reform?" Where is Hoffman on fiscal policy?
I'm just asking as I don't live up there and haven't had much time to follow that particular congressional race. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's with the teabagger faction !!! which is definately against anything Obama/Reid/Pelosi on any subject Thank God. Lol. A conservative in New York. Pass the sugar for my tea please. |
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Nov 03, 2009 1:06 AM GMT
WickedRyan saidToo funny so lets say like myself you are for Civil Unions and reasonable limits on abortion.Does that make you a right wing fanatic lol.I guess the 1980's were the dark ages huh lol.Wait till Roe vs Wade is overturned (that day will happen) guess the screams will make the demons from hell cover their ears lol. Whatever that lady's name is Dede Scoza somethin in upstate NY.She was not chosen in a primary election and she is a far left candidate.Maybe if you are from San Francisco she is a moderate but not in upstate NY lol. You are an idiot, but at least you're entertaining. Dede Scozzafava was rated slightly more conservative than the other Republicans in the state assembly. New York Republicans are not the teabagger type, in general. As far as her being "far left", that's really funny. Keep it up. But be sure to wear your big red clown nose. It's so becoming. |
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Nov 03, 2009 1:58 AM GMT
jprichva saidWickedRyan saidToo funny so lets say like myself you are for Civil Unions and reasonable limits on abortion.Does that make you a right wing fanatic lol.I guess the 1980's were the dark ages huh lol.Wait till Roe vs Wade is overturned (that day will happen) guess the screams will make the demons from hell cover their ears lol. Whatever that lady's name is Dede Scoza somethin in upstate NY.She was not chosen in a primary election and she is a far left candidate.Maybe if you are from San Francisco she is a moderate but not in upstate NY lol.
You are an idiot, but at least you're entertaining.
Dede Scozzafava was rated slightly more conservative than the other Republicans in the state assembly. New York Republicans are not the teabagger type, in general. As far as her being "far left", that's really funny. Keep it up. But be sure to wear your big red clown nose. It's so becoming. Oh God, here he goes. Now that jprichva has set his account to ignore my posts, he's going after you WickedRyan with his set bag of insults. Congratulations, you are now the recipient of the jprichva "big red clown nose" insult. Don't let jprichva intimidate you... he's just a bitter, lonely and very close minded person. |
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Nov 03, 2009 2:10 AM GMT
WickedRyan saidToo funny so lets say like myself you are for Civil Unions and reasonable limits on abortion.Does that make you a right wing fanatic lol.I guess the 1980's were the dark ages huh lol.Wait till Roe vs Wade is overturned (that day will happen) guess the screams will make the demons from hell cover their ears lol. Whatever that lady's name is Dede Scoza somethin in upstate NY.She was not chosen in a primary election and she is a far left candidate.Maybe if you are from San Francisco she is a moderate but not in upstate NY lol. When you have you been in a situation where you had to decide if you wanted an abortion? |
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Nov 03, 2009 2:13 AM GMT
The sad thing here is that all Republican Party county organizations in that district backed Scozzafava's candidacy. So in effect the national twits got involved and nationalized a local race based on their own litmus tests - not necessarily those of the voters in the local district.
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Nov 03, 2009 4:57 AM GMT
Momentum_Play saidThe sad thing here is that all Republican Party county organizations in that district backed Scozzafava's candidacy. So in effect the national twits got involved and nationalized a local race based on their own litmus tests - not necessarily those of the voters in the local district. Republicans are fundamentally uncomfortable with the very idea of democracy. They are authoritarian at heart. So if a district chooses their own nominee, they must swoop down from the top and subvert her, just in case everyone in the GOP gets the idea that they can act independently. |
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Nov 03, 2009 4:59 AM GMT
Timberoo saidScozafava suspended her campaign due to lack of finances. HAHAHA! 4 days before the election?!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
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Nov 03, 2009 12:28 PM GMT
jprichva saidMomentum_Play saidThe sad thing here is that all Republican Party county organizations in that district backed Scozzafava's candidacy. So in effect the national twits got involved and nationalized a local race based on their own litmus tests - not necessarily those of the voters in the local district.
Republicans are fundamentally uncomfortable with the very idea of democracy. They are authoritarian at heart. So if a district chooses their own nominee, they must swoop down from the top and subvert her, just in case everyone in the GOP gets the idea that they can act independently. Kind of the way Obama has told NYS Governor Patterson not to run for reelection?  |
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Nov 03, 2009 12:31 PM GMT
Timberoo saidjprichva saidMomentum_Play saidThe sad thing here is that all Republican Party county organizations in that district backed Scozzafava's candidacy. So in effect the national twits got involved and nationalized a local race based on their own litmus tests - not necessarily those of the voters in the local district.
Republicans are fundamentally uncomfortable with the very idea of democracy. They are authoritarian at heart. So if a district chooses their own nominee, they must swoop down from the top and subvert her, just in case everyone in the GOP gets the idea that they can act independently.
Kind of the way Obama has told NYS Governor Patterson not to run for reelection?
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Nov 03, 2009 2:27 PM GMT
jprichva saidRepublicans are fundamentally uncomfortable with the very idea of democracy. They are authoritarian at heart. So if a district chooses their own nominee, they must swoop down from the top and subvert her, just in case everyone in the GOP gets the idea that they can act independently. Wow, this is the clearest illustration yet of how backwards your thinking is. And by extension, since most of you agree with him, most of the membership here. Authoritarian is the government mandating that you must have health insurance coverage. Authoritarian is the idea that compensation of employees at publicly held companies (think stock exchange, not GM or Citi which are government owned) should be limited. I could go on.... but I'm sure the 2 other people on here who are not liberal / socialist / Marxists / Democrats get my point.... and the rest of you won't no matter how many examples I give. |
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Nov 03, 2009 2:41 PM GMT
I just read in the Huffington post that Hoffman has received approximately 95% of his political funding from outside the district he is running in. If this isn't the far right pushing to influence outcomes in their direction I don't know what is. Its actually very similar to the amount of outside funding that came inot play with Californias Prop 8 against gay marriage, and seems to be the same funding base in todays similar anti gay marriage Prop. in Maine.
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Nov 03, 2009 2:44 PM GMT
I consider myself more Libertarian. I am fiscally conservative, and would prefer that the govt stay the fuck out of our lives. But since we want the govt to pay for everything, give us everything and govern over us endlessly and tax us unrepentingly. We have what we have. What happened to the "real" Lincoln Republicans? WTF is up with this extreme right wing? The two parties have the market and money cornered so there is no room for any other real parties. We can talk about inclusion but it doesnt happen. southbeach1500 saidjprichva saidRepublicans are fundamentally uncomfortable with the very idea of democracy. They are authoritarian at heart. So if a district chooses their own nominee, they must swoop down from the top and subvert her, just in case everyone in the GOP gets the idea that they can act independently.
Wow, this is the clearest illustration yet of how backwards your thinking is. And by extension, since most of you agree with him, most of the membership here.
Authoritarian is the government mandating that you must have health insurance coverage.
Authoritarian is the idea that compensation of employees at publicly held companies (think stock exchange, not GM or Citi which are government owned) should be limited.
I could go on.... but I'm sure the 2 other people on here who are not liberal / socialist / Marxists / Democrats get my point.... and the rest of you won't no matter how many examples I give. |
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Nov 03, 2009 2:52 PM GMT
The reason there is so much focus on this particular race is because it's the only Congressional race in the country this year.
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Nov 03, 2009 2:59 PM GMT
jprichva saidWickedRyan saidToo funny so lets say like myself you are for Civil Unions and reasonable limits on abortion.Does that make you a right wing fanatic lol.I guess the 1980's were the dark ages huh lol.Wait till Roe vs Wade is overturned (that day will happen) guess the screams will make the demons from hell cover their ears lol. Whatever that lady's name is Dede Scoza somethin in upstate NY.She was not chosen in a primary election and she is a far left candidate.Maybe if you are from San Francisco she is a moderate but not in upstate NY lol.
You are an idiot, but at least you're entertaining.
Dede Scozzafava was rated slightly more conservative than the other Republicans in the state assembly. New York Republicans are not the teabagger type, in general. As far as her being "far left", that's really funny. Keep it up. But be sure to wear your big red clown nose. It's so becoming. I still don't understand why you seem incapable of just stating your opinion without insulting someone. Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't make them an "idiot". Your posts often-times say far more about your own narrow-mindedness than any opinion you are trying to convey. |
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Nov 03, 2009 3:20 PM GMT
If someone wants to distort the facts or ignore them it is perfectly appropriate to call them an idiot.
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Nov 03, 2009 4:11 PM GMT
Please pass the tea...and is there any more sugar left?
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Nov 03, 2009 4:20 PM GMT
MunchingZombie saidIf someone wants to distort the facts or ignore them it is perfectly appropriate to call them an idiot. I disagree. There is nothing appropriate about insulting someone who has merely stated an opinion you don't agree with. Anyone can pull a bully tactic and insult someone. It takes a bigger person to show some tact and state their own opposing opinion respectfully and keep the atmosphere friendly. If more people would do that we might actually have more members participating in these forums. |
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Nov 03, 2009 4:29 PM GMT
Jprichva u are obviously going senile buddy.If Dede whatsherface is slightly more conservative then the Republicans in the State Assembly then that is all we need to know about that bunch.And you can shove your insults up your wrinked Medicare receiving ass.Go Hoffman! If you think all gay or bi men have to be liberals stand outside your old age home and hold up a sign bro.
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Nov 03, 2009 4:40 PM GMT
Well, so much for tact  |
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Nov 03, 2009 4:45 PM GMT
...Can anyone explain what "liberAL" has to do w/ "LiberTY"?
I've been asking for decades now; nobody has even come close! I'm rapidly concluding it is synonymous w/ "fraud" (and worse).
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Nov 03, 2009 4:45 PM GMT
CuriousJockAZ saidWell, so much for tact Its really the meaning behind the words not necessarily how they are said. Dont you think? ROFL |
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Nov 03, 2009 4:51 PM GMT
...Can anyone explain what "liberAL" has to do w/ "LiberTY"?
I've been asking for decades now; nobody has even come close! I'm rapidly concluding it is synonymous w/ "fraud" (and worse).
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Nov 03, 2009 7:57 PM GMT
...OK, so it's been, like, 3 hours. Perhaps, y'all should read this while y'r trying to figure it out . . .
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vafccdar/darcreed.html
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Nov 03, 2009 8:18 PM GMT
Timberoo said
When have you been in a situation where you had to decide if you wanted an abortion? Just this morning I noticed once again that I personally have no use for an abortion. Nor do I have any use for someone else completing a pregnancy when they know they don't want and won't love and will resent the resulting child who when born into that household will probably grow up to be a criminal and/or burden on society. Its nothing personal mind you, just fiscal responsibility. Abortion is so much cheaper than welfare, foodstamps, and then prison. |
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Nov 03, 2009 8:42 PM GMT
realifedad said I just read in the Huffington post that Hoffman has received approximately 95% of his political funding from outside the district he is running in. If this isn't the far right pushing to influence outcomes in their direction I don't know what is. And a very large percentage of Nancy Pelosi's campaign funding has come from outside her district as well: http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?CID=N00007360 |
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Nov 03, 2009 9:38 PM GMT
While I actually like Palin I kind of get the idea that she would just use them to get in power and then hit a moderate maybe even slightly more liberal scheme of things. Could be wrong but I don't get that that vibe from her. If she is like an other aquarius I know on born on that day.. yeah.. nothing to worry about.
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Nov 03, 2009 9:41 PM GMT
I didn't even know that NY had a Senate Race today. I do know that there is a House Race in the 23rd district, between Democrat Bill Owens and Conservative Doug Hoffman. The race looks very close. If you live in this district get to the polls and vote for Bill Owens.
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Nov 03, 2009 11:26 PM GMT
Timberoo saidjprichva saidMomentum_Play saidThe sad thing here is that all Republican Party county organizations in that district backed Scozzafava's candidacy. So in effect the national twits got involved and nationalized a local race based on their own litmus tests - not necessarily those of the voters in the local district.
Republicans are fundamentally uncomfortable with the very idea of democracy. They are authoritarian at heart. So if a district chooses their own nominee, they must swoop down from the top and subvert her, just in case everyone in the GOP gets the idea that they can act independently.
Kind of the way Obama has told NYS Governor Patterson not to run for reelection?
Perhaps, although the Gov denied it on Meet the Press (but hey, somebody somewhere must have said something to him - there's too much smoke there). If true, the rationale apparently is that Paterson will drag the NY Democratic candidates down in the mid-terms. So it's a little bit different than the local Republican Party apparatus selecting a candidate and then having national party figures openly endorse a non-party candidate. |
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Nov 03, 2009 11:38 PM GMT
zack322222 saidI didn't even know that NY had a Senate Race today. I do know that there is a House Race in the 23rd district, between Democrat Bill Owens and Conservative Doug Hoffman. The race looks very close. If you live in this district get to the polls and vote for Bill Owens. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You are right !! I mistakenly addressed it as a 'senate' race in the topic title. I seem to be able to edit the body of the topic, but not the title. Sorry for the error. |
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Nov 04, 2009 12:15 AM GMT
Maybe it's just me, but I am sort of cracking up watching the coverage on all the news channels for this election night. You'd think we were picking the President. Virginia & New Jersey must be flattered to be getting so much coverage -- who knew |
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Nov 04, 2009 12:41 AM GMT
CuriousJockAZ saidYour posts often-times say far more about your own narrow-mindedness than any opinion you are trying to convey. I get it, Todd. You don't like me. I get it, I really do. Take a deep breath. It's okay not to like me. Many others here don't either. |
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Nov 04, 2009 2:16 AM GMT
CuriousJockAZ saidMaybe it's just me, but I am sort of cracking up watching the coverage on all the news channels for this election night. You'd think we were picking the President. Virginia & New Jersey must be flattered to be getting so much coverage -- who knew >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree !!! They are all doing their best to make as much out of this election as possible, they're having to strain at it to make the outcomes mean something more than just a localized election. I voted today by the way and split my vote, one went for a local republican. but CuriousJ !!! please don't have a heart attack upon reading this cause I am too far away to ressusitate you !!! |
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Nov 04, 2009 4:29 AM GMT
CuriousJockAZ saidMunchingZombie saidIf someone wants to distort the facts or ignore them it is perfectly appropriate to call them an idiot.
I disagree. There is nothing appropriate about insulting someone who has merely stated an opinion you don't agree with. Anyone can pull a bully tactic and insult someone. It takes a bigger person to show some tact and state their own opposing opinion respectfully and keep the atmosphere friendly. If more people would do that we might actually have more members participating in these forums. Those are two very different things. If it is my opinion that Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure was an awesome movie, and you disagree, fine. If I state that Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure won the academy award for best picture in 1972, I am an idiot. I would like to keep the atmosphere friendly. But it is difficult to meet willful ignorance with friendliness, nor is it useful. When idiots are being idiots, we should call them on their idiocy. |
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Nov 04, 2009 4:46 AM GMT
jprichva saidCuriousJockAZ saidYour posts often-times say far more about your own narrow-mindedness than any opinion you are trying to convey.
I get it, Todd. You don't like me. I get it, I really do. Take a deep breath. It's okay not to like me. Many others here don't either. I don't dislike YOU personally, I just dislike your surly tone...Take a nice pill would ya?  |
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Nov 04, 2009 4:48 AM GMT
MunchingZombie saidCuriousJockAZ saidMunchinWhen idiot are being idiots, we should call them on their idiocy.
One man's idiot is another man's genius 
Okay, admittedly, I just made that up |
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Nov 04, 2009 4:53 AM GMT
I'd rather insult one person by calling them out as an idiot than insult hundreds of people by thinking I can put misinformation over on them.
This makes Glenn Beck the most insulting man on earth. The scary thing is his viewers don't know their being insulted.
Anyway, looks like more small-town fearmongering resulting in corporate interests running these places again. Enjoy, suckers.
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Nov 04, 2009 5:38 AM GMT
Looks like we're seeing a return to local politics...
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Nov 04, 2009 12:29 PM GMT
Hoffman lost. This is the first time a Democrat has held this seat in years.
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Nov 04, 2009 12:49 PM GMT
Timberoo saidHoffman lost. This is the first time a Democrat has held this seat in years. Yeah, I think in more than 100 years if memory serves. Funny actually - all the media's focus seems to be on the governor's races in NJ & VA and how that is somehow a repudiation of Obama. Democrats picked up one seat and retained another in the House last night - so I'm not sure why the anti-Obama headline is the narrative. |
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Nov 04, 2009 1:34 PM GMT
Well the far right conservatives were rejected in New York, but here in VA where I live 'not so much' and that's not a LOL matter. Did you all read our republican governors thesis from college? this guy is way out to the right !!! but at least like Momentum_Play above said, where this vote counted is that we retained and increased the number of Dems in the House. These Governors races going for the Republicans does not affect Obama's efforts in Washington.
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Nov 04, 2009 1:54 PM GMT
Timberoo saidHoffman lost. This is the first time a Democrat has held this seat in years. It was a special election, the seat only for a year, until 2010 when the entire House is elected. You can be sure the Repubs will put a lot of effort into regaining that district, as a symbolic act. If they go with a main-stream candidate who isn't opposed by a ticket-splitting, wing-nut Conservative again, the seat's theirs for the asking, in an overwhelmingly Republican district. Aside: I know that area that includes Fort Drum quite well. Has one of the highest annual snowfalls in the US, due to the lake effect, a curious result being that free-standing pine trees only have branches on one side of their trunks. Western or lakeside branches can't stand up to the weight of the heavy snow, and break away, making the pines sorta look like schooner sailing masts. Street signs and stop signs are ridiculously tall. My first time up there was in the summer, and I was puzzled by stop signs so high it was difficult to see them from inside a car. Then someone told me it was because of the winter snow, when constant plowing and snow blowing eventually make local streets look like tunnels, as the snow piles up into high walls lining the streets. I can't guess if these difficult conditions affect their politics. But whether weather or wing-nuts, not a place I would want to call home. |
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Nov 04, 2009 2:02 PM GMT
Momentum_Play saidTimberoo saidHoffman lost. This is the first time a Democrat has held this seat in years. Yeah, I think in more than 100 years if memory serves. Funny actually - all the media's focus seems to be on the governor's races in NJ & VA and how that is somehow a repudiation of Obama.
Democrats picked up one seat and retained another in the House last night - so I'm not sure why the anti-Obama headline is the narrative. I believe the reason the Democrats had such a big focus on the governors races in NJ and Virginia is because governors control how the districts will be drawn up for the next general election (a.k.a. gerrymandering). In that sense it is a big blow to the Democrats, because it will make it harder for them to win in NJ and VA in 2012. |
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Nov 04, 2009 4:07 PM GMT
Red_Vespa saidIf they go with a main-stream candidate who isn't opposed by a ticket-splitting, wing-nut Conservative again, the seat's theirs for the asking, in an overwhelmingly Republican district. Why must all of you characterize a political philosophy that differs from your own in derogatory terms? Red_Vespa saidAside: I know that area that includes Fort Drum quite well. Has one of the highest annual snowfalls in the US, due to the lake effect, a curious result being that free-standing pine trees only have branches on one side of their trunks. Western or lakeside branches can't stand up to the weight of the heavy snow, and break away, making the pines sorta look like schooner sailing masts.
Street signs and stop signs are ridiculously tall. My first time up there was in the summer, and I was puzzled by stop signs so high it was difficult to see them from inside a car. Then someone told me it was because of the winter snow, when constant plowing and snow blowing eventually make local streets look like tunnels, as the snow piles up into high walls lining the streets.
I can't guess if these difficult conditions affect their politics. But whether weather or wing-nuts, not a place I would want to call home. It's actually quite an awesome place. But like politics, everyone has their own opinions. |
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Nov 05, 2009 11:10 PM GMT
southbeach, I think 'wingnuts' is the correct term for the likes of Palin, Limbaugh, and Beck who backed Hoffman to the demise of their own party because they are so far right that they pushed out a centist republican, which probably cost them that seat in congress. Red's using the term fit here don't you think !!!
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Nov 05, 2009 11:32 PM GMT
jprichva saidMomentum_Play saidThe sad thing here is that all Republican Party county organizations in that district backed Scozzafava's candidacy. So in effect the national twits got involved and nationalized a local race based on their own litmus tests - not necessarily those of the voters in the local district.
Republicans are They are authoritarian at heart. So if a district chooses their own nominee, they must swoop down from the top and subvert her, just in case everyone in the GOP gets the idea that they can act independently. The founding fathers of the United States of America were fundamentally uncomfortable with the very idea of democracy. Get an education from somewhere other than government schools your showing you lack of knowledge. |
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Nov 06, 2009 4:11 AM GMT
realifedad said southbeach, I think 'wingnuts' is the correct term for the likes of Palin, Limbaugh, and Beck who backed Hoffman to the demise of their own party because they are so far right that they pushed out a centist republican, which probably cost them that seat in congress. Red's using the term fit here don't you think !!! I think it just cheapens your argument when you use terms like that. |
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Nov 06, 2009 12:00 PM GMT
Doesn't Cheapen it .... it's just calling a Spade ... a Wingnut
which is the proper term
"Wingnut" (sometimes "wing-nut") is used in United States politics as a political epithet referring to a person who holds extreme political views. According to Merriam-Webster, it is analogous with the word "radical." In American politics, the term is more often aimed at members of the political right than those of the political left.
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Nov 07, 2009 3:16 PM GMT
southbeach1500 saidrealifedad said southbeach, I think 'wingnuts' is the correct term for the likes of Palin, Limbaugh, and Beck who backed Hoffman to the demise of their own party because they are so far right that they pushed out a centist republican, which probably cost them that seat in congress. Red's using the term fit here don't you think !!!
I think it just cheapens your argument when you use terms like that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Can you honesly tell me that a lot of what these wingnuts are saying, the rediculous signs they carry and so on, aren't an embarassment to the republican party and to you as well? |
