The head of the Ultimate Fighting Championship recently became the first head of a major sports league to welcome gay athletes. Thaddeus Russell on the mixed martial arts’ homoerotic appeal. I had heard the accusations and innuendo. And just two minutes into the first preliminary fight of last week's Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) event I saw something that confirmed them. I was in a sports bar in the San Gabriel Valley, a predominately working-class suburban area just east of Los Angeles that has produced a disproportionate number of mixed martial-arts (MMA) fighters and is home to some of the sport's most committed fans. Malls in the area are filled with men wearing gothic-inspired MMA t-shirts and baseball hats, and the parking lots often become mock battlegrounds for teenage boys acting out the punches, kicks, and grappling moves of the fastest-growing and what many believe is the most macho sport in the United States.
Spokesmen for professional boxing, which has seen a large share of its fan base gravitate toward MMA, have been quick to accuse their rivals of promoting gay porn. Boxing promoter Bob Arum described MMA as "guys rolling around like homosexuals on the ground."
But when Chase Gormley threw Stefan Struve to the mat and mounted him between his legs, a young woman in the corner of the bar yelled "that is so hot!" A minute later, Struve turned the tables with his own throw and mount, then clasped Gormley's head, neck, and shoulder between his legs in what is called a "triangle choke hold." At this point the woman, who was sitting with two quiet and increasingly embarrassed men, moaned lustfully then turned to her companions and told them she was "getting ideas" for things to do with her boyfriend. A man wearing skull-and-bones MMA gear sitting near me slammed down his Bud Lime and shouted at her that she was "ruining the fight."
I found out later that the two men sitting with the aroused women were among a growing gay MMA fan base. They told me that they were just as turned on by the action as their female friend but contained themselves for fear of retribution from the "hyper-macho" crowd. "She says what we can't when we watch the fights in public," one said.
Recently, gay bloggers, homophobic critics of MMA, and even straight fans have declared that one of the great appeals of the sport is its homoeroticism. They note the large number of gay men and straight women who have become fans of MMA and attribute it to the appeal of the nearly-naked hard bodies of the fighters and the intimate, often pelvic techniques of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, the favored grappling discipline in the sport.
Jim Buzinski, the publisher of Outsports.com, a web site devoted to gay sports fans and athletes that has counted NFL Network and ESPN Radio among its advertisers, calls MMA "intrinsically homoerotic." He claims that "while it is impossible to quantify numbers, it's clear that MMA has a gay following." This month, one of the site's most viewed articles was a list of "A Straight Guy's Top MMA Hotties." Spike TV's "Ultimate Fighter" reality series, in which a group of fighters live together in a house and compete for a UFC contract, is especially popular with Outsports readers. Buzinski calls it "the most homoerotic show on TV." Moreover, the site's readers "routinely send us links to what they think are hot MMA fighters, so they clearly pay attention to more than just their skills. [UFC welterweight champion] Georges St. Pierre in tight trunks equals page views."
And then there's matbattle.com, a website devoted to "helping homosexual grapplers explore and express their fetish in a welcoming environment." The site features movies and photos of gay Judo and Jiu-Jitsu fighters performing what it calls martial-arts "sporno."
Perhaps acknowledging MMA's pan-sexual appeal, Dana White, the president of the UFC, recently became the first head of a major sports league to welcome gay athletes. “Any guy involved in grappling is the furthest thing from homophobic in the world," White said. "I honestly think it would have no impact whatsoever with not only our fighters or our fan base. The guys in the UFC, everybody is so cool, it’s great sportsmanship, everybody has respect for each other. I honestly, it wouldn’t be a big deal to me and most of the guys I know in this sport, it wouldn’t be a big deal for them either.”
Not surprisingly, gay-friendliness is far from universal within the sport. UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar issued what ESPN described as "a curse-laden outburst" against homosexuals when a female fan informed him that her friend "Shawn" thought he was cute. "I don't like gays," he announced to reporters. "Write that down in your little notebook. I don't like gays."
Dana White himself was denounced by gay rights groups for slandering one of his critics as "a pussy and a fucking faggot." He responded quickly with a public
Yea I've read stuff like this before, and its untrue. The sport is only seen as homoerotic to guys who get homoerotic thoughts about the guys lol. Nothing wrong if you do that. In ancient Greece with Pankration the men were made to fight nude, because the male body was seen to be the most beautiful thing. The whole gay thing though.. I just don't feel or see it. I don't see appreciating a man's body as a "gay thing". I'm also saying that as an artist too.
Its actually more like a lifestyle the sport is. The guys you see out there fighting in front of the crowds, are all men who were born with that "warrior mentality" they call it. If you don't have that, then don't bother getting into the sport, because you won't make it. Its not something that can be taught. I've seen a lot of dudes come into the gym who thought they were about that, but just couldn't handle it. You can always tell lol.
These guys have a lot of aggression in them, some of them had it directed in the right ways quickly, while some other guys a bit later on but they all have it. Some of these guys come from very rough past. Each of them all realize they have that warrior spirit at some point in their life. It usually happens when they mess around a bit with the training, and always when they win that first fight.
A large part of the love and wanting to be apart of that lifestyle, is loving all of the hard work you have to go through. Pushing your body to its limits almost feeling super human, because you certainly do especially when you win a fight. You almost feel like a god or something, its very addictive. It feels awesome to test your skills against another man who has done all of the same training. That type of behavior in men is very natural and not something that should be frowned upon or suppressed. It also takes a lot of discipline, class, and believing in something bigger than you, to keep you from walking around behaving like some arrogant dick, knowing of all of the things you can do to someone.. Some guys in it can be so arrogant and low class.
There are a lot of people out there, who love blood sports. No different from many of the citizens of Rome or even Greece, who love to see real fighting skill against skill, amazed at what the human body can do. Some of them are even inspired to do it as well.
My brother and I along with my friends have been doing the sport for awhile. It sure as hell doesn't feel homoerotic to me. I don't get turned on by it, doing it or watching it. Sex is not on my mind if I'm being hit in the face, or choked rofl. I just want to be better than the other guy. Hope the fight goes well, meaning nobody is seriously hurt or killed. Also want my team and my family proud of me. I love hearing the crowd, I love hearing my team, especially when I hear my guy shouting to me, to do this or do that, and then hearing my brother as well, very great feeling, even better when my father was alive and I'd hear him too.
MMA is just a more safer, cleaner, and modern version of Pankration. Which was the ancient fighting style of Greece. Its also not for dummies, there's a lot of thinking involved in it. If you think you're going to just go out there swinging like some sloppy street fighter, then its over for you.
Yes it is a very macho world, very warrior culture driven sport and lifestyle. Yes there is a lot of profanity and other offensive words used. Doesn't mean gay people are hated. Hell guys on my team know I'm in love with a guy, and none of em care. I also don't go around making it a big deal, because it isn't nor do I get offended by any of the words I hear used around me. To me its no different from the military as far as harshly ragging on each other which is a sign of love. There is also a lot of serious shit talking to get into the other person's head, which can mess up their entire game plan.
Its not a politically correct soft world, nor should it be. Bullies and mindless assholes don't have a place, or future in the sport though.
IGH84A large part of the love and wanting to be apart of that lifestyle, is loving all of the hard work you have to go through. Pushing your body to its limits almost feeling super human, because you certainly do especially when you win a fight. You almost feel like a god or something, its very addictive. It feels awesome to test your skills against another man who has done all of the same training. That type of behavior in men is very natural and not something that should be frowned upon or suppressed.
I totally agree 100%. It's a sport and NOTHING else. All of the whining and homoerotic talk is part of a culture of people who may or may not have had the thoughts themselves. I just feel like it should be treated as a sport and not tagged or pooled along with senseless talk!!!! I like MMA and I watch UFC often, and it doesn't turn me on because I appreciate it as a sport and as a test of combined skill. long-term intense training, mind and body capability, drive, will, strength, and dedication. I say to ANYONE who thinks it's gay, that sports were not invented to create sexualty issues so leave it alone. I also want to say that it is very true in any sport that part of the value is the ability to do hard work and push your body to higher limits.
I don't think that UFC/MMA is gay at all but I do know alot of gay fans of the sport.And for the most part those fans are not ones that just think about how hott looking a fighter is.I will say for myself I do find most of the fighters hott b/c they are good examples of what I find attractive in men in general,but once the fight starts it's all about the action for me.I'm not one that gets into all the blood but I do like seeing all of the moves that they do to win a fight.But after saying all of that if I had a chance to give a fighter a nice relaxing "rub down" I would'nt say no.I do like hearing that most are accepting of gays in the sport and anyone in it would have to be secure in they'er own manhood to even think about being in the sport.
Is it gay? No. Is it barbaric? Yes. I went through this phase when I was younger, which was fueled by my experiences in the military, but I grew out of it. Wrestling and Jiu-Jitsu are great sports. Ultimate fighting is not. I'm against boxing as well.
I am all for self defense, but how could anyone condone/endorse a "sport" that promotes two men pummeling the shit out of each other?
Tapper saidIs it gay? No. Is it barbaric? Yes. I went through this phase when I was younger, which was fueled by my experiences in the military, but I grew out of it. Wrestling and Jiu-Jitsu are great sports. Ultimate fighting is not. I'm against boxing as well.
I am all for self defense, but how could anyone condone/endorse a "sport" that promotes two men pummeling the shit out of each other?
I wouldn't say barbaric. It was when it first started up, in fact it was complete shit the UFC. It was changed around when Dana White got a hold of it, he made it more classy. Guys who behave like mindless barbarians though don't make it in the sport, they are always booted out. MMA didn't really catch on until the late 90's though. A lot of people didn't know they were even doing it. The whole idea behind the UFC when it started, was to see which fighting style was more superior in a real fight with no rules. It was an anything goes kind of thing and it was very very shitty lol. Today its more like the Greek Pankration, and because of the popularity of MMA, they are talking about bringing Pankration back into the Olympics. It is also now legal in more states too.
Wrestling, and jiu-jitsu are very much apart of the sport of MMA. The sport is not all about pummeling the shit out of each other. I've had many fights where I never punched the guy, just took him down and made him submit.
Its also actually safer than boxing. In boxing you're constantly getting bashed in the head, there is even a lot of head trauma in Football as well. There isn't too much of that in MMA, a lot of it has to do with take downs, and submissions, and body shots. The men who train hard and right, and are conditioned the right way, don't walk away with the head injuries you see in boxers and even football players.
I grew up doing wrestling, boxing, jiu-jitsu. Wrestled in HS, and in the military, and then just fell in love even more with MMA. I love using all of the skills I've learned, along with all of the conditioning training I do, all together against someone else. Testing all of those skills against another guy is what the sport of MMA is about.
When I'm no longer able to fight, I want to be a full time trainer like my dad was.
Tapper saidIs it gay? No. Is it barbaric? Yes. I went through this phase when I was younger, which was fueled by my experiences in the military, but I grew out of it. Wrestling and Jiu-Jitsu are great sports. Ultimate fighting is not. I'm against boxing as well.
I am all for self defense, but how could anyone condone/endorse a "sport" that promotes two men pummeling the shit out of each other?
I wouldn't say barbaric. It was when it first started up, in fact it was complete shit the UFC. It was changed around when Dana White got a hold of it, he made it more classy. Guys who behave like mindless barbarians though don't make it in the sport, they are always booted out. MMA didn't really catch on until the late 90's though. A lot of people didn't know they were even doing it. The whole idea behind the UFC when it started, was to see which fighting style was more superior in a real fight with no rules. It was an anything goes kind of thing and it was very very shitty lol.
Wrestling, and jiu-jitsu are very much apart of the sport of MMA. The sport is not all about pummeling the shit out of each other. I've had many fights where I never punched the guy, just took him down and made him submit.
Its also actually safer than boxing. In boxing you're constantly getting bashed in the head, there is even a lot of head trauma in Football as well. There isn't too much of that in MMA, a lot of it has to do with take downs, and submissions, and body shots.
I grew up doing wrestling, boxing, jiu-jitsu. Wrestled in HS, and in the military, and then just fell in love even more with MMA. I love using all of the skills I've learned, along with all of the conditioning training I do, all together against someone else. Testing all of those skills against another guy is what the sport of MMA is about.
When I'm no longer able to fight, I want to be a full time trainer like my dad was.
This is great feedback, thank you. I hadn't thought about the benefits as they relate to conditioning and stamina, but you have a good point. If monitored, it's likely safer than boxing. I still think Jiu-Jitsu's the way to go, and would love to be able to begin taking J-J classes ... but don't think I can do it with my bad back.
Tapper saidIs it gay? No. Is it barbaric? Yes. I went through this phase when I was younger, which was fueled by my experiences in the military, but I grew out of it. Wrestling and Jiu-Jitsu are great sports. Ultimate fighting is not. I'm against boxing as well.
I am all for self defense, but how could anyone condone/endorse a "sport" that promotes two men pummeling the shit out of each other?
I wouldn't say barbaric. It was when it first started up, in fact it was complete shit the UFC. It was changed around when Dana White got a hold of it, he made it more classy. Guys who behave like mindless barbarians though don't make it in the sport, they are always booted out. MMA didn't really catch on until the late 90's though. A lot of people didn't know they were even doing it. The whole idea behind the UFC when it started, was to see which fighting style was more superior in a real fight with no rules. It was an anything goes kind of thing and it was very very shitty lol. Today its more like the Greek Pankration, and because of the popularity of MMA, they are talking about bringing Pankration back into the Olympics. It is also now legal in more states too.
Wrestling, and jiu-jitsu are very much apart of the sport of MMA. The sport is not all about pummeling the shit out of each other. I've had many fights where I never punched the guy, just took him down and made him submit.
Its also actually safer than boxing. In boxing you're constantly getting bashed in the head, there is even a lot of head trauma in Football as well. There isn't too much of that in MMA, a lot of it has to do with take downs, and submissions, and body shots.
I grew up doing wrestling, boxing, jiu-jitsu. Wrestled in HS, and in the military, and then just fell in love even more with MMA. I love using all of the skills I've learned, along with all of the conditioning training I do, all together against someone else. Testing all of those skills against another guy is what the sport of MMA is about.
When I'm no longer able to fight, I want to be a full time trainer like my dad was.
This is great feedback, thank you. I hadn't thought about the benefits as they relate to conditioning and stamina, but you have a good point. If monitored, it's likely safer than boxing. I still think Jiu-Jitsu's the way to go, and would love to be able to begin taking J-J classes ... but don't think I can do it with my bad back.
Oh I LOVE Jiu-Jitsu, and its a must have in MMA, you mix that with Wrestling and you're just completely dangerous on the ground. Nobody will want to be on the ground with you, they get scared and want to keep the fight completely stand up rofl.
First, thanks GymBoyNY for posting this. you inspired me to do a little research and post a blog about this on my myspace.
When looking up that Dana White quote to validate it (It seems credible) I found this article, unfortunately, everywhere I see a link to the video blog, it was taken down. Would like to see the vid if anyone knows where I can find it
And in the process of researching Dana White's view of homosexuality, I stumbled upon openly gay MMA fighter Shad Smith- here is a totally legit New York Times interview:
Its just as gay as swimming or Polo.. or horse racing derby... some people are turned on by the skin tight pants and leather boots Jockey's wear mounted on a horse. Also fencing, rugby.. are sports with a homoerotic appeal. Well the oldest sports in the world were performed naked... wrestling and fighting have been around for centuries.. MMA is just a modern day version of it. I think its ridiculous that they don't wear the short sq cuts or speedos in MMA competitions anymore - because of the fear of being labeled as a "gay" sport and wear these disgusting long ugly board shorts.
Jetsetter99 saidIts just as gay as swimming or Polo.. or horse racing derby... some people are turned on by the skin tight pants and leather boots Jockey's wear mounted on a horse. Also fencing, rugby.. are sports with a homoerotic appeal. Well the oldest sports in the world were performed naked... wrestling and fighting have been around for centuries.. MMA is just a modern day version of it. I think its ridiculous that they don't wear the short sq cuts or speedos in MMA competitions anymore - because of the fear of being labeled as a "gay" sport and wear these disgusting long ugly board shorts.
That is not why they wear the board shorts ROFL.
The board shorts are worn because they are able to show their sponsors more, they get paid for that too you know. Then most of them have their own clothing line, and gyms they pretty much show off on the shorts.
Some guys still wear the short trunks, depending on who they are fighting. The short trunks make them feel faster, or their kicks higher.
The only straight guys I personally know from the office, or from the gym, that are into watching this sport completely check me out up and down every time we say hi and chat. I actually get a little uncomfortable it's so obvious. This one guy who is a marine almost gets whiplash by checking out all the guys asses while we are talking. At first I didn't know what he was looking at but after a few months realized he was an ass man. Yeah I guess on the planet Mars it's ok for a "straight" guy to appreciate a man's muscular beauty....on earth it's called being gay.
I'm not even going to tell you what happened at the office with a straight married guy that reads "Men's Health" cover to cover, and is into Ultimate Fighting.
bryanhard saidFirst, thanks GymBoyNY for posting this. you inspired me to do a little research and post a blog about this on my myspace.
When looking up that Dana White quote to validate it (It seems credible) I found this article, unfortunately, everywhere I see a link to the video blog, it was taken down. Would like to see the vid if anyone knows where I can find it
And in the process of researching Dana White's view of homosexuality, I stumbled upon openly gay MMA fighter Shad Smith- here is a totally legit New York Times interview:
So, yeah... MMA is not gay- but apparently things are opening up for us in the sport.
Yea I remember seeing Dana White apologize and all, but he hates all of that PC crap. There's a lot of words used like that by him, he did come from the streets and all. That word gets thrown around so many times in the training facility in Vegas, and you won't be kicked out for that. Not everyone in the sport uses words like that though. There are a ton of religious dudes in the sport who won't go around talking like that, and don't like that type of talk, but they don't bitch about it though.
MMA's always been opened up to any and everyone who was or is serious about that sport and lifestyle. The sexuality doesn't matter, just depends on the man perusing it. There just aren't too many gay people in the sport though. There also weren't too many black guys in it at first for awhile.
That Shad Smith guy well... He's not all that great a guy, him being gay doesn't matter, he's just not too cool of a person. I remember him in Felony fights.. Those guys give such a bad name to the sport. He's kind of more like a street fighter type.. All of em were or are in prison too lmfao. I actually haven't seen him in any more fights. I think the last time I saw him was on WEC, and he got beat pretty bad.
The most interesting fighter in the sport so far, is the Deaf guy Matt Hamill. He can't hear his corner, definitely can't look for sign because he could get knocked out rofl. But he's just so damn amazing.
Celticmusl said I'm not even going to tell you what happened at the office with a straight married guy that reads "Men's Health" cover to cover, and is into Ultimate Fighting.
Celticmusl saidThe only straight guys I personally know from the office, or from the gym, that are into watching this sport completely check me out up and down every time we say hi and chat. I actually get a little uncomfortable it's so obvious. This one guy who is a marine almost gets whiplash by checking out all the guys asses while we are talking. At first I didn't know what he was looking at but after a few months realized he was an ass man. Yeah I guess on the planet Mars it's ok for a "straight" guy to appreciate a man's muscular beauty....on earth it's called being gay.
I'm not even going to tell you what happened at the office with a straight married guy that reads "Men's Health" cover to cover, and is into Ultimate Fighting.
ROFL They aint straight.. They're on the down low lol.
There are a lot of straight guys who do appreciate a guy's body. I don't mean in the way of checking him out and getting a boner over it. Artist don't get all turned on by that stuff, its just art.. Some guys admire it and want to be just like that and respect the skill and power along with it. Some guys are afraid to come out and say that, because they are afraid of being hit with the whole gay label.
And nothing's wrong with Men's Health I have those too lol
the homoeroticism of MMA is only in the eye of the beholder.
I agree with IHG84, when you're in a fighting/sparring situation, you only care about defeating the other guy. nothing sexual about it, no matter how goodlooking the other guy may be
the whole gay wrestling fetish thing is totally different, and has nothing to do with any kind of sport... I don't believe anyone who was ever seriously into competitive fighting sports would be into something like that. I visited the site called matbattle.com and actually felt kinda sad that the sport I love, by some people is turned into some kind of sex fetish.
A guy on the site was telling how he'd pinned and humped a straight guy until cumming in his pants during a judo class. That's just creepy to me... and a criminal sex offense really. I'd kick a guy like that out of my judo club.
if some make their own consentual fetish club, fine. sexual abuse in a normal sports club, not cool
This topic comes up from time to time both here and in my life. It irks me. It's homoerotic because YOU see it as homoerotic ! Does this apply to women who fight as well ? The women I know both straight and gay don't think so. Some of my straight and gay friends think my love of this sport is because "the guys are hot." Have you ever seen Rampage Jackson or Wanderlai Silva ? I like both of them.....but they ain't HOT ! There are some of us who ACTUALLY like the sport. Sex and/or eroticism have NOTHING to do with it ! There's nothing sexy about potentially getting your ass kicked.
judoguy saidthe homoeroticism of MMA is only in the eye of the beholder.
I agree with IHG84, when you're in a fighting/sparring situation, you only care about defeating the other guy. nothing sexual about it, no matter how goodlooking the other guy may be
the whole gay wrestling fetish thing is totally different, and has nothing to do with any kind of sport... I don't believe anyone who was ever seriously into competitive fighting sports would be into something like that. I visited the site called matbattle.com and actually felt kinda sad that the sport I love, by some people is turned into some kind of sex fetish.
A guy on the site was telling how he'd pinned and humped a straight guy until cumming in his pants during a judo class. That's just creepy to me... and a criminal sex offense really. I'd kick a guy like that out of my judo club.
if some make their own consentual fetish club, fine. sexual abuse in a normal sports club, not cool
Yea I agree, and that stuff makes me angry as well. I grew up with the whole MMA world around me, my dad's been into it, my older brothers their friends. It never felt homoerotic to me, and I never got into it because I got off on anything. I saw that site you mentioned as well, and felt the same way.
I remember seeing a video of my friend on some site where they were checking out his bulge during his wrestling competition. I just find it to be really disrespectful to the sport.
That guy that creeped you out too, is the exact reason why some guys in MMA, and even wrestling get a bit weird about gay guys in the sport. They don't want to hear anything like that, or have some other guy getting off on em. Now I know gay guys in the sport who just love it because they love the sport and respect it, sex isn't on their mind. But guys like that, the creep lol. They mess it up for them.
ManMachine23 saidThis topic comes up from time to time both here and in my life. It irks me. It's homoerotic because YOU see it as homoerotic ! Does this apply to women who fight as well ? The women I know both straight and gay don't think so. Some of my straight and gay friends think my love of this sport is because "the guys are hot." Have you ever seen Rampage Jackson or Wanderlai Silva ? I like both of them.....but they ain't HOT ! There are some of us who ACTUALLY like the sport. Sex and/or eroticism have NOTHING to do with it ! There's nothing sexy about potentially getting your ass kicked.
LMFAO Yea I remember one fight where Tim Sylvia's shorts were coming down, I almost had to change the channel because that was not something I wanted to see
I have a lot of female friends who watch the sport, and would come to my fights. I don't hear them talking about the guy's asses or how hot they think it is. They get all hyped up over the fight, worried of course if its their guy fighting, and I think are more wild about the guy winning than his own team, or fans are lol.
yeah, it has never occurred to me that UFC/MMA would even be remotely gay/homoerotic. i'm more interested in the progress and outcome of the fight and how the competitors try to outsmart and outfight each other.
while the guys can be attractive, i'm more interested in their fighting skills
I haven't had problems as a gay man in judo. I guess if you're sincere and committed to the sport, then mostly it doesn't matter whether you're gay or not. Several people in danish judo know I'm gay. I even had a bunch of straight judo mates asking me to take them to a gay club. As they said, it's not fair that we always go to straight bars when I'm with them LOL. I really didn't want to go... but they were like little boys excited to go on an adventure to the unknown... so I went along with it
I think the only type of guys who get off on it, or want to see it as gay or homoerotic. Are guys who get off on being dominated by other men, so they fantasize about it. Also guys who only look at the sport, because they like looking at sweaty muscular guys.
I've gotten a few guys on here asking me to do some freaky stuff with em. Which would piss me off because I find it disrespectful to my sport. Its annoying too.
All the guys who love the sport, because they love the training and display of skill, get into it only because of that.
I've gotten a few guys on here asking me to do some freaky stuff with em. Which would piss me off because I find it disrespectful to my sport. Its annoying too.
Would it be disrespectful when women hit on athletes because they're turned on by the display of physical prowress? It's not disrespectful to the sport. Sport is mere foreplay.
IHG84 saidI think the only type of guys who get off on it, or want to see it as gay or homoerotic. Are guys who get off on being dominated by other men, so they fantasize about it. Also guys who only look at the sport, because they like looking at sweaty muscular guys.
I've gotten a few guys on here asking me to do some freaky stuff with em. Which would piss me off because I find it disrespectful to my sport. Its annoying too.
All the guys who love the sport, because they love the training and display of skill, get into it only because of that.
IHG84, I am offering to you to watch my entire 2-hour wrestling documentary online for free. I think you will find more of an acceptance of people once you watch it. It includes MMA and all styles of wrestling, but the guys in it are great. Gay and str8 men.
tommysguns2000 saidyeah...it's totally gay. you should go to a few of the fights and try to hookup. just hit on any of the guys in the ring.
let us know how it works out for you once they remove the feeding tubes..
You forget that these are largely the down-low crowd. So of course they're going to act macho, straighter-than-an-arrow.
Oh there are guys in the sport who do fuck other guys. They also aren't too "down low" about it. There is no such thing as "acting macho" in that world too. If you're not a "macho guy" then you just don't make it, and don't belong in it.
The guys who do fuck other men, and aren't secretive about it, mostly get off on the domination aspect of it. They love forcing themselves upon other people, can't really do that with women because she can cost him his career. They'll do it to other men though, and not men who exactly want it. Its all about domination and humiliation to them, and they know that guy won't go and report it, because he'd be too ashamed to do so.
I've seen guys like that in the sport, you can always tell who they are by what they say when you ask em "what made them get into the sport?"
They'll tell you because they can hurt people without going to prison for it. Those guys are the assholes of the sport lol.
There are gay men in the sport who just don't make their sexuality an issue, and aren't ashamed of it and people don't care. They're just as macho as everyone else, and do all of the shit talking too lol
IHG84 saidI think the only type of guys who get off on it, or want to see it as gay or homoerotic. Are guys who get off on being dominated by other men, so they fantasize about it. Also guys who only look at the sport, because they like looking at sweaty muscular guys.
I've gotten a few guys on here asking me to do some freaky stuff with em. Which would piss me off because I find it disrespectful to my sport. Its annoying too.
All the guys who love the sport, because they love the training and display of skill, get into it only because of that.
IHG84, I am offering to you to watch my entire 2-hour wrestling documentary online for free. I think you will find more of an acceptance of people once you watch it. It includes MMA and all styles of wrestling, but the guys in it are great. Gay and str8 men.
IHG84 saidI think the only type of guys who get off on it, or want to see it as gay or homoerotic. Are guys who get off on being dominated by other men, so they fantasize about it. Also guys who only look at the sport, because they like looking at sweaty muscular guys.
I've gotten a few guys on here asking me to do some freaky stuff with em. Which would piss me off because I find it disrespectful to my sport. Its annoying too.
All the guys who love the sport, because they love the training and display of skill, get into it only because of that.
IHG84, I am offering to you to watch my entire 2-hour wrestling documentary online for free. I think you will find more of an acceptance of people once you watch it. It includes MMA and all styles of wrestling, but the guys in it are great. Gay and str8 men.
acceptance of what?
Acceptance and not hating other people who both like the sport as a sport, and also understand and are completely OK with the knowledge that they find it a turn-on as well. Not during public competition of course, but another facet of it and why. This film is very in-depth.
I've gotten a few guys on here asking me to do some freaky stuff with em. Which would piss me off because I find it disrespectful to my sport. Its annoying too.
Would it be disrespectful when women hit on athletes because they're turned on by the display of physical prowress? It's not disrespectful to the sport. Sport is mere foreplay.
None of the females who watch it with me, or came to any of my fights do that. But just like the men who do it, if I were in the presence of a woman who was sitting back all loud talking about the dude's ass, I'd just tell her, or him to shut their trap.. I wouldn't be alone in doing that either lol.
Nobody wants to hear all that crap when they're into the fight.
And yes it is highly disrespectful for guys to come to me, asking me the stuff they want to do. I could get in serious trouble over it, and kicked off my team.
IHG84 saidI think the only type of guys who get off on it, or want to see it as gay or homoerotic. Are guys who get off on being dominated by other men, so they fantasize about it. Also guys who only look at the sport, because they like looking at sweaty muscular guys.
I've gotten a few guys on here asking me to do some freaky stuff with em. Which would piss me off because I find it disrespectful to my sport. Its annoying too.
All the guys who love the sport, because they love the training and display of skill, get into it only because of that.
IHG84, I am offering to you to watch my entire 2-hour wrestling documentary online for free. I think you will find more of an acceptance of people once you watch it. It includes MMA and all styles of wrestling, but the guys in it are great. Gay and str8 men.
acceptance of what?
Acceptance and not hating other people who both like the sport as a sport, and also understand and are completely OK with the knowledge that they find it a turn-on as well. Not during public competition of course, but another facet of it and why. This film is very in-depth.
I don't hate anyone man. In my first post I said it was ok to find the guys attractive, but like I had just mentioned most people don't want to hear all of that when they are deeply into the fight. They don't want to hear about how hot you may think the guy's ass is. Or how much you're into his bulge.. And If I heard someone saying that while my brother was fighting, that would just gross me out rofl.
I also said how MMA is pretty much no different from Pankration of ancient Greece... Just cleaner, and safer lol. The men were made to fight nude because the male body was seen to be the most beautiful thing. So yeah there were men back then who admired the bodies of the fighters, and respected the display of skill at the same time. Its nothing new.
I do have a problem when people try to say, someone only gets into that sport because they get off on it. I didn't get into it because of those reasons. It doesn't look, or feel gay to me. I've been around the sport my whole life, and never once have I felt that.
I think it's definitely, blatantly homoerotic; Freud would have called it sublimation. Most of the fighters look exactly like the actors from gay porn movies. I've always thought that MMA is the next career stop for gay porn stars after they turn 19 and are all washed-up has-beens for most gay porn. The go to the gym, beef up a little, change their stage names, and re-invent themselves as MMA or WWE fighters.
But not gay. Gayness implies the viewer, the fighters, and the producers is honest with themselves, which I don't think they are. Many of the fans of MMA want an excuse to watch pretty boys with hot bodies getting physical.
Below is a link to a 12-minute clip on the Extras Disc for my "STRONGHOLD: In the Grip of Wrestling" documentary which shows how hard it was for me to get a non-homophobic Jiu-Jitsu school to be in the film. Eventually, as you will see, I got one to speak about what happened to me and the other guy in the film.
I do understand that there are tons of schools that have gay guys, and that many of them don't care, but homophobia is still extremely prevalent. The best thing that you can be do as a gay man and a grappler, is not cut down or make fun of other gay men who enjoy the sport for both the competition, and who also are not afraid to admit that they enjoy the inherent homoeroticism in their private time.
If someone says to you "It looks so gay," don't reply back "I'll kick your ass idiot," rather reply, "Yes, it does. Would you like to learn to do it?" Remember, when someone says "It looks gay" they are telling you that THEY see the homoeroticism in it and it makes THEM feel uncomfortable. Make them feel comfortable. Just don't bash them.
Neophoenician saidI think it's definitely, blatantly homoerotic; Freud would have called it sublimation. Most of the fighters look exactly like the actors from gay porn movies. I've always thought that MMA is the next career stop for gay porn stars after they turn 19 and are all washed-up has-beens for most gay porn. The go to the gym, beef up a little, change their stage names, and re-invent themselves as MMA or WWE fighters.
But not gay. Gayness implies the viewer, the fighters, and the producers is honest with themselves, which I don't think they are. Many of the fans of MMA want an excuse to watch pretty boys with hot bodies getting physical.
That's just how typical gay men, who don't understand that world or sport think. Gay guys who get turned on by seeing the sweaty muscular guys and come up with all sorts of fantasies. Nothing wrong with that.. But its nothing like what you are thinking though, nor is it why anyone gets into the sport, or watches it.
Guys who get into MMA, may have been wrestlers in HS, and college, and or martial artist. They love what they do, they have that whole warrior spirit, love to fight, love pushing their bodies to its limit, love testing their skills against someone else who has done the same. MMA is the best place for them to go, because just being in Taekwon do, or just being wrestlers, isn't enough, you can only go so far with that, unless you have dreams of being in the Olympics and the means to get into it.
The world of MMA is very warrior culture driven, and these guys who have that whole warrior spirit thing going on, just fall in love with that, it fits them. Its something you're born with too.
I've been into the sport since I was about 15, my brothers even longer. I'm not a washed up gay porn star, and neither are they rofl.
Never got aroused by anything, never rolled around with a guy sparring, or fighting who got aroused. I'm around tons of naked guys all the time at the training house, and shower.. I don't get all boned up.
Homoeroticism is the representation of same-sex love and desire... I don't feel or see any of that, when I fight, or when I watch a fight and see blood all over the place... Not sexy to me.. Maybe to guys out there who have a fetish about that stuff rofl.
If you want a gay sport, you have to find other gay guys who get aroused and turned on by rolling around with another dude. And then wanting to fuck the loser.. Now that's gay or homoerotic lol.
wrestlervic saidBelow is a link to a 12-minute clip on the Extras Disc for my "STRONGHOLD: In the Grip of Wrestling" documentary which shows how hard it was for me to get a non-homophobic Jiu-Jitsu school to be in the film. Eventually, as you will see, I got one to speak about what happened to me and the other guy in the film.
I do understand that there are tons of schools that have gay guys, and that many of them don't care, but homophobia is still extremely prevalent. The best thing that you can be do as a gay man and a grappler, is not cut down or make fun of other gay men who enjoy the sport for both the competition, and who also are not afraid to admit that they enjoy the inherent homoeroticism in their private time.
If someone says to you "It looks so gay," don't reply back "I'll kick your ass idiot," rather reply, "Yes, it does. Would you like to learn to do it?" Remember, when someone says "It looks gay" they are telling you that THEY see the homoeroticism in it and it makes THEM feel uncomfortable. Make them feel comfortable. Just don't bash them.
Yea there is a lot of homophobia in that world. Every guy in that sport or world is different. Some of em are hateful assholes lol.
There's a lot of men in that sport who'd never want to fight with a gay man for 2 reasons, and I'm not justifying it just sharing what I often hear.
1. Is because they are uncomfortable feeling if the gay guy is getting aroused and thinking sexual things about him while sparring or fighting.
2. Yes there are a lot of ignorant guys out there who think all gay guys have aids. They feel that is mostly in the gay world, and so they are afraid of maybe getting it, especially when the blood starts flying.
Like I said there are some pretty ignorant hateful guys in that world too.
But there are also guys who don't care, and the gay guy doesn't want his sexuality to be a big deal, he just loves to fight like everyone else.
I personally don't bash anyone if someone says wrestling, or MMA looks gay. I just tell em it only became gay when you had thoughts of getting banged by one of the guys fighting ROFL. I have guys joke around all the time about the rolling around on the mat. When my brother and I were sparring, he was on top of me, and the guys started making jokes, and called it "Jerry Springer sex" lmfao, or the "incest battle". So yea a lot of guys within the sport even joke around about it.
Its not just in MMA, or wrestling. I hear gay guys saying all sorts of things about Baseball player's asses, and bulges, or Football players. Just because you (not you) may get turned on by the athletes, doesn't mean its gay, or homoerotic.
It just gets annoying when people try to tell you, you're only into it because you get turned on by it, nobody in the sport feels that way lol.
That's just how typical gay men, who don't understand that world or sport think. Gay guys who get turned on by seeing the sweaty muscular guys and come up with all sorts of fantasies. Nothing wrong with that.. But its nothing like what you are thinking though, nor is it why anyone gets into the sport, or watches it.
Guys who get into MMA, may have been wrestlers in HS, and college, and or martial artist. They love what they do, they have that whole warrior spirit, love to fight, love pushing their bodies to its limit, love testing their skills against someone else who has done the same. MMA is the best place for them to go, because just being in Taekwon do, or just being wrestlers, isn't enough, you can only go so far with that, unless you have dreams of being in the Olympics and the means to get into it.
Yes, I get what you're saying, and I wasn't to say that the MMA athletes are in it for the homoerotic aspect (the bit about the washed-up porn stars was my attempt at humor). I don't think that's the sport's appeal to the fighters.
But I do think that is definitely part, or most, of the appeal to the TV viewers of MMA. I don't think it's conscious, I think it's subliminal.
I don't watch MMA, by the way. I think it's eye-catching for the first few minutes, but it's frustrating, and I don't have a whole lot of "warrior culture" in me, as you call it. I have seen short segments of it on cable, and whenever I see it I am struck by how unusually attractive all the fighters seem to be. It seems to me to be way too much to be a coincidence. If the fighters were really picked by their skills, then they would be a more diverse bunch, with some good-looking guys, some ordinary-looking guys, and a few with some really ugly mugs. But I don't think it's the fighters that are doing that, I think it's the show's producers, who are totally aware of who their target audience is and why they're watching.
That's just how typical gay men, who don't understand that world or sport think. Gay guys who get turned on by seeing the sweaty muscular guys and come up with all sorts of fantasies. Nothing wrong with that.. But its nothing like what you are thinking though, nor is it why anyone gets into the sport, or watches it.
Guys who get into MMA, may have been wrestlers in HS, and college, and or martial artist. They love what they do, they have that whole warrior spirit, love to fight, love pushing their bodies to its limit, love testing their skills against someone else who has done the same. MMA is the best place for them to go, because just being in Taekwon do, or just being wrestlers, isn't enough, you can only go so far with that, unless you have dreams of being in the Olympics and the means to get into it.
Yes, I get what you're saying, and I wasn't to say that the MMA athletes are in it for the homoerotic aspect (the bit about the washed-up porn stars was my attempt at humor). I don't think that's the sport's appeal to the fighters.
But I do think that is definitely part, or most, of the appeal to the TV viewers of MMA. I don't think it's conscious, I think it's subliminal.
I don't watch MMA, by the way. I think it's eye-catching for the first few minutes, but it's frustrating, and I don't have a whole lot of "warrior culture" in me, as you call it. I have seen short segments of it on cable, and whenever I see it I am struck by how unusually attractive all the fighters seem to be. It seems to me to be way too much to be a coincidence. If the fighters were really picked by their skills, then they would be a more diverse bunch, with some good-looking guys, some ordinary-looking guys, and a few with some really ugly mugs. But I don't think it's the fighters that are doing that, I think it's the show's producers, who are totally aware of who their target audience is and why they're watching.
I understand what you're trying to say, I'm just saying as someone who grew up in that sport and world its just not it.
Guys get into watching it because they want to see a real fight. They want to see their favorite fighters. There's a huge pride thing that goes along with it, and a whole lot of shit talking even among the fans.
While with many gay men who normally don't watch, may think seeing two sweaty guys locked together on the ground is hot, and a bit arousing, and there is nothing wrong with that at all. The crowd doesn't want to see that. If you ever notice when fights get like that people start to "boo" after awhile. They want to see mostly the stand up, the knock outs, the flying around, the crazy kicks. They really don't want to see too much of anything that resembles wrestling. And then yea there are a lot of people who just absolutely love the blood and violence, it kind of gives them a rush.
And sure man, there are guys straight or gay. Who admire the bodies of some of the men, and the demonstration of the skill. It may inspire them to then go for that. That's part of what got me into it when I was a kid seeing my older brothers and their friends doing it. I wanted to be big, strong, and powerful like them, feels awesome. Most guys won't say anything about that, because they are afraid of being called gay. Even though there is nothing gay about that, that's just how silly our society today has become.
As for the good looking guys.. Sure there are good looking guys in the sport. Trust me though, guys aren't picked because of their looks rofl. The sport doesn't cater to 15 year old girls, and gay men. Its all about skill, who wants it more, and who was better in that moment, and nothing else. Otherwise the sport wouldn't be doing too well like it is now. People want to see real good fights, not pretty boys lol. The good looking guys are never taken seriously until they actually demonstrate skill that makes people do take them seriously lol.
There are more ugly dudes in the sport than good looking, and if you're more concerned about your looks, then you're in the wrong sport rofl.
ManMachine23 saidThis topic comes up from time to time both here and in my life. It irks me. It's homoerotic because YOU see it as homoerotic ! Does this apply to women who fight as well ? The women I know both straight and gay don't think so. Some of my straight and gay friends think my love of this sport is because "the guys are hot." Have you ever seen Rampage Jackson or Wanderlai Silva ? I like both of them.....but they ain't HOT ! There are some of us who ACTUALLY like the sport. Sex and/or eroticism have NOTHING to do with it ! There's nothing sexy about potentially getting your ass kicked.
LMFAO Yea I remember one fight where Tim Sylvia's shorts were coming down, I almost had to change the channel because that was not something I wanted to see
I have a lot of female friends who watch the sport, and would come to my fights. I don't hear them talking about the guy's asses or how hot they think it is. They get all hyped up over the fight, worried of course if its their guy fighting, and I think are more wild about the guy winning than his own team, or fans are lol.
I think I remember that fight ? My vision is only just now returning to normal.
I think for some guys, without having ever done anything like MMA, boxing or wrestling, it's hard for them to imagine not getting off on it in some way. To that I say, " if you have time to think about sex during a fight....... ...........you gonna get knocked the fok out !"
wrestlervic saidDamn, clip is working for some others. You may have to reinstall Windows Media Player.
NOOO
What's happening is your computer is not associating .asx file streams with Windows Media Player. Some other video player is probably screwing it up. I see ten other guys have watched it. Try Internet Explorer, or Firefox.
wrestlervic saidDamn, clip is working for some others. You may have to reinstall Windows Media Player.
NOOO
What's happening is your computer is not associating .asx file streams with Windows Media Player. Some other video player is probably screwing it up. I see ten other guys have watched it. Try Internet Explorer, or Firefox.
It's a sport for crying out loud that forces one to put forth knowledge of the opponent and their self to the test, pushing limits and beating out the odds through sheer strength, determination and will power.
It's brutal, it's manly and it copmmands and demands respect. Simple as as that.
ManMachine23 saidThis topic comes up from time to time both here and in my life. It irks me. It's homoerotic because YOU see it as homoerotic ! Does this apply to women who fight as well ? The women I know both straight and gay don't think so. Some of my straight and gay friends think my love of this sport is because "the guys are hot." Have you ever seen Rampage Jackson or Wanderlai Silva ? I like both of them.....but they ain't HOT ! There are some of us who ACTUALLY like the sport. Sex and/or eroticism have NOTHING to do with it ! There's nothing sexy about potentially getting your ass kicked.
LMFAO Yea I remember one fight where Tim Sylvia's shorts were coming down, I almost had to change the channel because that was not something I wanted to see
I have a lot of female friends who watch the sport, and would come to my fights. I don't hear them talking about the guy's asses or how hot they think it is. They get all hyped up over the fight, worried of course if its their guy fighting, and I think are more wild about the guy winning than his own team, or fans are lol.
I think I remember that fight ? My vision is only just now returning to normal.
I think for some guys, without having ever done anything like MMA, boxing or wrestling, it's hard for them to imagine not getting off on it in some way. To that I say, " if you have time to think about sex during a fight....... ...........you gonna get knocked the fok out !"
Yea if I remember right, I think it was when he was fighting Andrei Arlovski. Even the commentators were afraid of his shorts dropping I had that remote ready to turn. rofl
Guy101 saidIt's a sport for crying out loud that forces one to put forth knowledge of the opponent and their self to the test, pushing limits and beating out the odds through sheer strength, determination and will power.
It's brutal, it's manly and it copmmands and demands respect. Simple as as that.
There's the problem, right there! Thinking that something is erotic to someone SHOULD NOT be looked at as disrespectful to the sport. This is all from the culture of sex is bad, sexual thoughts are bad, etc. It is not disrepectful to be human and feel things. If you tell someone they are sick, or shouldn't think that way, you are essentially bashing them.
ManMachine23 saidThis topic comes up from time to time both here and in my life. It irks me. It's homoerotic because YOU see it as homoerotic ! Does this apply to women who fight as well ? The women I know both straight and gay don't think so. Some of my straight and gay friends think my love of this sport is because "the guys are hot." Have you ever seen Rampage Jackson or Wanderlai Silva ? I like both of them.....but they ain't HOT ! There are some of us who ACTUALLY like the sport. Sex and/or eroticism have NOTHING to do with it ! There's nothing sexy about potentially getting your ass kicked.
LMFAO Yea I remember one fight where Tim Sylvia's shorts were coming down, I almost had to change the channel because that was not something I wanted to see
I have a lot of female friends who watch the sport, and would come to my fights. I don't hear them talking about the guy's asses or how hot they think it is. They get all hyped up over the fight, worried of course if its their guy fighting, and I think are more wild about the guy winning than his own team, or fans are lol.
I think I remember that fight ? My vision is only just now returning to normal.
I think for some guys, without having ever done anything like MMA, boxing or wrestling, it's hard for them to imagine not getting off on it in some way. To that I say, " if you have time to think about sex during a fight....... ...........you gonna get knocked the fok out !"
Yea if I remember right, I think it was when he was fighting Andrei Arlovski. Even the commentators were afraid of his shorts dropping I had that remote ready to turn. rofl
And yea I agree.
Yea..... I miss Arlovski. He was one of my faves ! So many great MMA fighters have left the UFC. I know it's about money but...DANG ! * sigh *
ManMachine23 saidThis topic comes up from time to time both here and in my life. It irks me. It's homoerotic because YOU see it as homoerotic ! Does this apply to women who fight as well ? The women I know both straight and gay don't think so. Some of my straight and gay friends think my love of this sport is because "the guys are hot." Have you ever seen Rampage Jackson or Wanderlai Silva ? I like both of them.....but they ain't HOT ! There are some of us who ACTUALLY like the sport. Sex and/or eroticism have NOTHING to do with it ! There's nothing sexy about potentially getting your ass kicked.
LMFAO Yea I remember one fight where Tim Sylvia's shorts were coming down, I almost had to change the channel because that was not something I wanted to see
I have a lot of female friends who watch the sport, and would come to my fights. I don't hear them talking about the guy's asses or how hot they think it is. They get all hyped up over the fight, worried of course if its their guy fighting, and I think are more wild about the guy winning than his own team, or fans are lol.
I think I remember that fight ? My vision is only just now returning to normal.
I think for some guys, without having ever done anything like MMA, boxing or wrestling, it's hard for them to imagine not getting off on it in some way. To that I say, " if you have time to think about sex during a fight....... ...........you gonna get knocked the fok out !"
Yea if I remember right, I think it was when he was fighting Andrei Arlovski. Even the commentators were afraid of his shorts dropping I had that remote ready to turn. rofl
And yea I agree.
Yea..... I miss Arlovski. He was one of my faves ! So many great MMA fighters have left the UFC. I know it's about money but...DANG ! * sigh *
I know! Arlovski is now in Affliction. I believe Rampage got let go, for doing some movie Dana White didn't want him to do lol. And another guy got the boot for not wanting to be in the UFC game lol.
It seems a lot of guys are going to Affliction, and IFL.
It's not GAY! Gimme a break!!! I am, however, concerned that the sport is becomming more and more like boxing. Meaning, a lot of these matches are FIXED. The sport has become so popular, I feel the evidence of matches being FIXED is quite evident. But I still love it!!! It's good in-your-face RAW fighting. That's my opinion
djohn767 saidIt's not GAY! Gimme a break!!! I am, however, concerned that the sport is becomming more and more like boxing. Meaning, a lot of these matches are FIXED. The sport has become so popular, I feel the evidence of matches being FIXED is quite evident. But I still love it!!! It's good in-your-face RAW fighting. That's my opinion
Yea a lot of people are feeling that with the UFC, which could explain why a lot of guys have left it.
I know I was steamed beyond hell during that Bisping vs Hamill fight. Hamill was tearing Bisping up like crazy, but they still gave it to Bisping.. It seemed like they were afraid of the British rioting in the arena if their favorite boy got whooped by the American, and in his own country.. It was complete shit lol
djohn767 saidIt's not GAY! Gimme a break!!! I am, however, concerned that the sport is becomming more and more like boxing. Meaning, a lot of these matches are FIXED. The sport has become so popular, I feel the evidence of matches being FIXED is quite evident. But I still love it!!! It's good in-your-face RAW fighting. That's my opinion
Yea a lot of people are feeling that with the UFC, which could explain why a lot of guys have left it.
I know I was steamed beyond hell during that Bisping vs Hamill fight. Hamill was tearing Bisping up like crazy, but they still gave it to Bisping.. It seemed like they were afraid of the British rioting in the arena if their favorite boy got whooped by the American, and in his own country.. It was complete shit lol
And then there's the Rua Machida fight...I'm SURE that decision wasn't staged for a rematch..oh, hell no.
and let me just add something...you are NOT thinking this is hot when you're the guy stuck in this hold:
no matter if you thought the dude ur fighting against was hot before you stepped on the mats...you do not think he's hot when he's submitting you like that...you're mostly wondering where your next breath is coming from.
I haven't read the whole thread - but I did catch the last line of Tommyguns response & that's basically my experience. I'm a mediocre wrestler and a lousy boxer, the only things I have going for me are strength and stubborness. There's nothing sexual about it. You are so busy scrambling for mental, spiritual and physical resources, there really isn't room for anything else. You either want to disable your opponent or get the hell away from him - it's about as erotic as using a chainsaw.
jawrhed saidI haven't read the whole thread - but I did catch the last line of Tommyguns response & that's basically my experience. I'm a mediocre wrestler and a lousy boxer, the only things I have going for me are strength and stubborness. There's nothing sexual about it. You are so busy scrambling for mental, spiritual and physical resources, there really isn't room for anything else. You either want to disable your opponent or get the hell away from him - it's about as erotic as using a chainsaw.
I think you are all confusing public competition or training with private wrestling, or being a spectator. Yes, wrestling DOES have an erotic component to many. Once again, here is a clip of some of the men in my documentary:
jawrhed saidI haven't read the whole thread - but I did catch the last line of Tommyguns response & that's basically my experience. I'm a mediocre wrestler and a lousy boxer, the only things I have going for me are strength and stubborness. There's nothing sexual about it. You are so busy scrambling for mental, spiritual and physical resources, there really isn't room for anything else. You either want to disable your opponent or get the hell away from him - it's about as erotic as using a chainsaw.
I think you are all confusing public competition or training with private wrestling, or being a spectator. Yes, wrestling DOES have an erotic component to many. Once again, here is a clip of some of the men in my documentary:
Wow your film looks fantastic. I don't mean to suggest that there is no erotic component for the viewer or even some participants. I am actually surprised that it's not more erotic or at least sensual for me personally. Normally I would find sex in almost any situation LOL. I take a one on one boxing session with a retired IBU welterweight. He's a very handsome and sexy guy (& a good guy too) I feel fantastic when I'm done - If I was 10 years younger I'd probably whack off afterwards - but there's nothing left
djohn767 saidIt's not GAY! Gimme a break!!! I am, however, concerned that the sport is becomming more and more like boxing. Meaning, a lot of these matches are FIXED. The sport has become so popular, I feel the evidence of matches being FIXED is quite evident. But I still love it!!! It's good in-your-face RAW fighting. That's my opinion
Yea a lot of people are feeling that with the UFC, which could explain why a lot of guys have left it.
I know I was steamed beyond hell during that Bisping vs Hamill fight. Hamill was tearing Bisping up like crazy, but they still gave it to Bisping.. It seemed like they were afraid of the British rioting in the arena if their favorite boy got whooped by the American, and in his own country.. It was complete shit lol
And then there's the Rua Machida fight...I'm SURE that decision wasn't staged for a rematch..oh, hell no.
and let me just add something...you are NOT thinking this is hot when you're the guy stuck in this hold:
no matter if you thought the dude ur fighting against was hot before you stepped on the mats...you do not think he's hot when he's submitting you like that...you're mostly wondering where your next breath is coming from.
Yea that's not hot at all, especially if the guy you are fighting talked a lot of shit about you. Just gotta calm yourself, and concentrate, and think how to get out of it.
It is a sport. If it turns you on watching two men fight, it is gay to you. If you get turned on by a small cowboy on a big bull, rodeo is gay to you. If a small man in a very powerful car turns you on, then NASCAR is gay to you. It is a sport. If it is gay or not is irrelevent. It is a sport. If it turns you on, so be it. Most of my gay friends hate UFC but love tennis. So, if hot guys in white shorts turns you on, Wimbledon is gay. MMA is not a gay sport. It is not a straight sport. It is a sport. You can make of it or interpret it in the way that suits you. I personally like watching it, for the physical challenges and the abilities of the combatants, and because most are hot. But the sport is just a sport.
Whether or not it is homoerotic to the participants, it certainly LOOKS homoerotic from the outside. The first time I ever saw UFC I was working in the call centre for a major canadian satelitte tv provider. I was coming back from my lunch and someone had put on a ppv on the lobby tvs (it was in the evening and the public part of the building was closed). I turned to my supervisor and asked why they had the gay porn channel on the lobby tvs.
I wrestled in HS and a little bit in college. I know what people say and what the reality is. Yes, when you are competing, unless your are a total sub, there is nothing erotic in your head. But I can also watch and enjoy the eroticism from the outside.
I think Wrestlervic makes a good point about the mentality of North America where sex or sexuality is bad but violence is good. Just seems wrong somehow.
