Well, God DAMN the voters in Maine!

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    Nov 04, 2009 8:09 AM GMT
    PORTLAND, Maine - Maine voters repealed a state law Tuesday that would have allowed same-sex couples to wed, dealing the gay rights movement a heartbreaking defeat in New England, the corner of the country most supportive of gay marriage.

    Gay marriage has now lost in every single state — 31 in all — in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine — known for its moderate, independent-minded electorate — and mounted an energetic, well-financed campaign.

    With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent of the votes.
    "The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across the nation," declared Frank Schubert, chief organizer for the winning side.

    Gay-marriage supporters refused to concede, holding out hope that that the tide might turn as the final returns came in.

    "We're here for the long haul and whether it's just all night and into the morning, or it's next week or next month or next year, we will be here," said Jesse Connolly, manager of the pro-gay marriage campaign. "We'll be here fighting. We'll be working. We will regroup."

    At issue was a law passed by the Maine Legislature last spring that would have legalized same-sex marriage. The law was put on hold after conservatives launched a petition drive to repeal it in a referendum.

    The outcome Tuesday marked the first time voters had rejected a gay-marriage law enacted by a legislature. When Californians put a stop to same-sex marriage a year ago, it was in response to a court ruling, not legislation.

    Five other states have legalized gay marriage — starting with Massachusetts in 2004, and followed by Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut and Iowa — but all did so through legislation or court rulings, not by popular vote. In contrast, constitutional amendments banning gay marriage have been approved in all 30 states where they have been on the ballot.
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    Nov 04, 2009 8:13 AM GMT
    Why do people´s rights get voted on by the general public? Sorry, I don´t understand that.
  • Laurence

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    Nov 04, 2009 8:43 AM GMT
    Oh dear.

    Why do you let people vote on something that has absolutely no bearing on their lifes?

    Loz
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    Nov 04, 2009 9:32 AM GMT
    That is sad. I really thought that gay marriage would stay. I was wrong.
  • drypin

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    Nov 04, 2009 9:32 AM GMT
    Heartbreaking. As much as I love living in Germany, my German partner and I would like to move back to the States one day. Each of these setbacks makes us reconsider our plans. I just can't imagine taking the step backwards... much less risking the possibility he won't get a visa.
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    Nov 04, 2009 2:18 PM GMT
    Maine was a big disappointment, but we won in Washington and Kalamazoo last night, and Chapel Hill and (maybe) Houston just elected their first openly gay/lesbian mayors (Houston has to go to a runoff).
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    Nov 04, 2009 2:29 PM GMT
    The civil rights of a minority should never be left up to a vote by the majority. We'd never get anywhere that way.
  • cowboyathlete

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    Nov 04, 2009 2:30 PM GMT
    On the other hand, we are one step closer to having the first openly lesbian or gay mayor of a major city in this country. if all goes well, Houston's next mayor will be Annise Parker, who is currently city controller.
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    Nov 04, 2009 2:32 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidWhy do people´s rights get voted on by the general public? Sorry, I don´t understand that.


    It's all right wing republican bull shit.
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    Nov 04, 2009 2:33 PM GMT
    It's easy for me to forget how most people in this country still think of us.... Stuff like this is a strong reminder.
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    Nov 04, 2009 2:34 PM GMT
    I think this is going to continue to happen until some federal law makes it a right that cannot be taken away by voting that right away. that's what it took to give blacks freedom from slavery and for voting rights for blacks as well as wemon. Its a right for gays to marry, it shouldn't be a voting issue, so I think this is the point from which the subject should be tackled.
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    Nov 04, 2009 2:38 PM GMT
    kscott6671 said
    Lostboy saidWhy do people´s rights get voted on by the general public? Sorry, I don´t understand that.


    It's all right wing republican bull shit.



    If i"m not mistaken, there are gay republicans. Just being a republican doesn't mean you are against gays getting married.

    It might have been just as accurate to have blamed it on Sarah Palin or George Bush.
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    Nov 04, 2009 2:45 PM GMT
    realifedad said I think this is going to continue to happen until some federal law makes it a right that cannot be taken away by voting that right away. that's what it took to give blacks freedom from slavery and for voting rights for blacks as well as wemon. Its a right for gays to marry, it shouldn't be a voting issue, so I think this is the point from which the subject should be tackled.


    The Sufferage movement and the Civil rights movement were both voted on by the states after being ratified was then added as amendments to the constitution.
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    Nov 04, 2009 2:48 PM GMT
    cestfort2000 saidIf i"m not mistaken, there are gay republicans. Just being a republican doesn't mean you are against gays getting married...

    I'm sure you've seen the T-shirt that says: "I'm not gay, but my boyfriend is"

    Gay Republicans can wear a T-shirt that says: "I'm not anti-gay, but the people I vote for are"

    C'est la même chose, n'est-ce pas?
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    Nov 04, 2009 2:50 PM GMT
    BeachBiMan said
    realifedad said I think this is going to continue to happen until some federal law makes it a right that cannot be taken away by voting that right away. that's what it took to give blacks freedom from slavery and for voting rights for blacks as well as wemon. Its a right for gays to marry, it shouldn't be a voting issue, so I think this is the point from which the subject should be tackled.


    The Sufferage movement and the Civil rights movement were both voted on by the states after being ratified was then added as amendments to the constitution.


    Ummm....they were approved by state legislatures, not public referendums.
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    Nov 04, 2009 2:53 PM GMT
    medfordguy said
    BeachBiMan said
    realifedad said I think this is going to continue to happen until some federal law makes it a right that cannot be taken away by voting that right away. that's what it took to give blacks freedom from slavery and for voting rights for blacks as well as wemon. Its a right for gays to marry, it shouldn't be a voting issue, so I think this is the point from which the subject should be tackled.


    The Sufferage movement and the Civil rights movement were both voted on by the states after being ratified was then added as amendments to the constitution.


    Ummm....they were approved by state legislatures, not public referendums.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and didn't these issues become federal law ? Once that happened voting such things away in any state went away, so I think we need to take care of this problem federally.
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    Nov 04, 2009 3:02 PM GMT
    realifedad said
    medfordguy said
    BeachBiMan said
    realifedad said I think this is going to continue to happen until some federal law makes it a right that cannot be taken away by voting that right away. that's what it took to give blacks freedom from slavery and for voting rights for blacks as well as wemon. Its a right for gays to marry, it shouldn't be a voting issue, so I think this is the point from which the subject should be tackled.


    The Sufferage movement and the Civil rights movement were both voted on by the states after being ratified was then added as amendments to the constitution.


    Ummm....they were approved by state legislatures, not public referendums.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and didn't these issues become federal law ? Once that happened voting such things away in any state went away, so I think we need to take care of this problem federally.


    disagree, the federal government does not need anymore decision making power than it does. leave this up to the states. forget referendum, nothing progressive comes from referendums. let the state legislatures take care of it. the only reason it's going on the ballot is so the state can take a hand off approach.
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    Nov 04, 2009 3:03 PM GMT
    I still think all Republicans - gay and straight - should take a long jump off a short pier, but that's my selfish side talking. You know, the side that thinks all men are created equal. Crazy thinking on my part, according to the right.

    This morning, a personal friend and mentor sent me an email on the subject. He's a retired Skadden Arps lawyer; wiser than any other man I know. His email reads in part:

    "David, Your email is the first knowledge I have had that our side lost in Maine. It is sad but unsurprising. Legislatures and voters in referendums can’t be counted on to approve social change. Most legislators don’t have balls, and voters are generally for the status quo. All my adult life major change has been accomplished by courts interpreting the Constitution. That was true in the case of school segregation, and it has been true so far for the most part in the fight for equal rights for gays. (The Iowa legislature was an exception.) Thank goodness for the courts! (I exclude the present Supreme Court from my benediction.)"
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    Nov 04, 2009 3:09 PM GMT
    What? Wiser than me? I said the same thing in another thread... icon_confused.gif
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    Nov 04, 2009 3:34 PM GMT


    damn them to hell.
  • Menergy_1

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    Nov 04, 2009 3:37 PM GMT
    Yahoo news pops up when I first log on in the mornings. I saw this as the first news item. So depressing in so many ways. then I started reading the comments below from readers. THAT was way more depressing!

    Such vitriol and evil and hate oozing out of their comments for the most part -- rejoicing in the loss by all us despicable, un-natural, disgusting-in-our-lifestyle-choice, unholy, and on and on.....but they "don't hate gays"....yeah, that's very obvious.

    Again - this points out ever more the need for a Supreme Court decision ruling that state-by-state deprival of a minority's equality and legal standing across the country is unconstitutional, and force the recognition of contracts inter-state, the due process clauses, the equal protection clauses of the Constitution and anything else that (should) protect the minority from the oppressive rule of the majority and force the repeal of DOMA and DADT. IMO.
  • Timbales

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    Nov 04, 2009 3:39 PM GMT
    Fuck Maine
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    Nov 04, 2009 3:50 PM GMT
    Once again the Catholic church proves to be against us. Every time the issue of gay marriage comes up - there is the Catholic Church openly oppossing it. This happens not only in the USA, but in Europe as well. FUCK the Catholic church, and fuck even more the Gay Uncle Tom's out there supporting the Catholic Church!
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    Nov 04, 2009 3:50 PM GMT
    Timberoo saidFuck Maine


    Where is Maine. Bring him here let me fuck him
  • bobrusso

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    Nov 04, 2009 3:55 PM GMT
    When will our political lobbies decide to stop losing this? I don't care what you call it, Marriage, Partner rights, Civil Unions, etc. Most people that vote against us, have issues with the word "Marriage". So call it something else. I don't give a rats ass what it's called. I just want the same benefits and securities.