Soccer player fired for homophobic views in his autobiography (among other things)

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    Nov 05, 2009 5:47 PM GMT
    Polish goalkeeper Arek (Arkadiusz) Onyszcko (I wonder if I spelled that right), who until recently played for Danish club F.C. Midtjylland, got fired this week when passages from his coming autobiography "Fucking Polak" revealed controversial views on gays among other things.

    "I hate fags. I really do. I think it's fucking gross. It's so creepy hearing them talking to each other. Like they're girls. I can't be in the company of anyone gay. Seeing them kissing. it's fucking gross."

    In addition to that, in the book he alledgedly expresses degrading views on women (he's actually divorced cos he beat his wife up a few years ago), and he admires Hells Angels (the drug dealing and murdering biker gang) for their very masculine type of camraderie/brotherhood.

    In other words he's a backwards goon who's mentally stuck in the dark ages.

    So after having read the book, the direction of the Football Club fired the goalkeeper. His views didn't match the clubs image or policies. And I think the sponsors weren't happy either.

    To me it's good news, that the club took a stand instead of trying to silence or make light of the whole thing, which I think many clubs would have done, in order to keep a key player.
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    Nov 05, 2009 6:17 PM GMT
    Most excellent club.

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    Nov 05, 2009 8:34 PM GMT
    I do not agree with this firing. You are allowed to say what you like.
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    Nov 05, 2009 8:40 PM GMT
    So what he has some negative views on homosexuals; big deal. maybe he has had some negative experiences; like many of us have. He has a right to a view on homosexuality, and political correctness, does not have a right to dictate to him, it must all be good. I being a pure homosexual, am not homophobic, but I don't agree with all things gay.

    The same can be said about his view on women. Now as a pure homosexual; never touched a women. Who works in the field that is 85%+ women, I can tell you they can be mean, spitful, vindictive, hate you for a lifetime over the smallest of things, when the bad goes around like wildfire, and never touching the good stuff, if they hate you, because you deserve their vile vindictive spitful natures. Nothing misogynist about it, it's all true, and since it's OK for women to be men haters, and they still don't have a name for them. Oh yes they don " Feminazis".
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    Nov 06, 2009 12:07 AM GMT
    Oh Denmark... you are the best. They are the awesome st country in the world. They are also one of the best badminton nations competing with countries like South Korea, China (most popular sport in China) and Malaysia, at just over 5 million people. I've met a few Danes and they are generally very vulgar, friendly and hilarious.
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    Nov 06, 2009 12:08 AM GMT
    Pattison saidSo what he has some negative views on homosexuals; big deal. maybe he has had some negative experiences; like many of us have. He has a right to a view on homosexuality, and political correctness, does not have a right to dictate to him, it must all be good. I being a pure homosexual, am not homophobic, but I don't agree with all things gay.

    The same can be said about his view on women. Now as a pure homosexual; never touched a women. Who works in the field that is 85%+ women, I can tell you they can be mean, spitful, vindictive, hate you for a lifetime over the smallest of things, when the bad goes around like wildfire, and never touching the good stuff, if they hate you, because you deserve their vile vindictive spitful natures. Nothing misogynist about it, it's all true, and since it's OK for women to be men haters, and they still don't have a name for them. Oh yes they don " Feminazis".


    Yeah it's their right to fire him if he doesn't fit their image. They are running a business, after all.
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    Nov 06, 2009 12:13 AM GMT
    In America we have and should keep free speech.People can hate gays or whoever else they want its their business.
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    Nov 06, 2009 12:17 AM GMT
    Oh wow, being Polish I feel weird. But I shouldn't, Poland is very traditional and I'm sure there's lots of people like that. But yeah, I suppose if you consider it from the angle of free speech, he should say whatever he feels like.

    Any link to a story, where'd you get this?
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    Nov 06, 2009 12:17 AM GMT
    Free speech doesn't mean speech free from consequences.

    You go into work tomorrow and call your boss an ass hole and see how free your speech is.
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    Nov 06, 2009 12:21 AM GMT
    WickedRyan saidIn America we have and should keep free speech.People can hate gays or whoever else they want its their business.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anyones rights to say what he thinks ends when his statements affect the viability of the organization he represents. He asked for it !!!! We adults have to remember back when we were children that we were told "just because you think it, doesn't mean you should say it". I don't have much sympathy for people who cannot control their mouths, and its even worse when they purposely print something that a reasonable person would or should know is unacceptable.
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    Nov 06, 2009 12:35 AM GMT
    Blondizgd saidI do not agree with this firing. You are allowed to say what you like.


    Yeah, just as you're allowed to wear what you like....
    example.
    I wear my favourite "I fucking hate Jews" t-shirt at work in the office every day and on casual friday I roll up the sleeves to show my swastika tattoo. and that's cool, cos even though my boss don't like, it he respects my individual rights.

    no, wait. that'll never happen, cos people get fired for much less when they don't fit in, or fall in line w company policies. employers impose dress codes, codes of conduct et.c. that are basically opposed to the individuals' freedoms.

    he publicly said what he wanted, and faced the consequences.
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    Nov 06, 2009 12:37 AM GMT
    judoguy saidIn other words he's a backwards goon who's mentally stuck in the dark ages.

    If only we could fire all Republicans in the US for the same reason. icon_razz.gif
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    Nov 06, 2009 12:37 AM GMT
    Hmmmm. Let's see. He doesn't like women and has a fear of homosexual men...
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    Nov 06, 2009 12:40 AM GMT
    Blondizgd saidI do not agree with this firing. You are allowed to say what you like.


    he did get to say what he wanted to.

    that doesn't mean that what you have to say isn't going to have consequences. If they had allowed him to stay then i would view it as the team agrees with him, and the sponsors agree with him.

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    Nov 06, 2009 12:40 AM GMT
    I got no problem with a private company making a decision that best serves it's best interests. The dude has every right to say what he wants, but he must deal with the consequences. It's no censorship, that is only when a government criminalizes speech.

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    Nov 06, 2009 12:42 AM GMT
    MuscleLuke saidOh wow, being Polish I feel weird. But I shouldn't, Poland is very traditional and I'm sure there's lots of people like that. But yeah, I suppose if you consider it from the angle of free speech, he should say whatever he feels like.

    Any link to a story, where'd you get this?


    it's been all over the danish media, I don't know if the story's available in english anywhere...
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    Nov 06, 2009 12:46 AM GMT
    judoguy saidPolish goalkeeper Arek (Arkadiusz) Onyszcko (I wonder if I spelled that right), who until recently played for Danish club F.C. Midtjylland, got fired this week when passages from his coming autobiography "Fucking Polak" revealed controversial views on gays among other things.

    "I hate fags. I really do. I think it's fucking gross. It's so creepy hearing them talking to each other. Like they're girls. I can't be in the company of anyone gay. Seeing them kissing. it's fucking gross."

    In addition to that, in the book he alledgedly expresses degrading views on women (he's actually divorced cos he beat his wife up a few years ago), and he admires Hells Angels (the drug dealing and murdering biker gang) for their very masculine type of camraderie/brotherhood.

    In other words he's a backwards goon who's mentally stuck in the dark ages.

    So after having read the book, the direction of the Football Club fired the goalkeeper. His views didn't match the clubs image or policies. And I think the sponsors weren't happy either.

    To me it's good news, that the club took a stand instead of trying to silence or make light of the whole thing, which I think many clubs would have done, in order to keep a key player.



    It's Onyszko. And I found an article about it and read some more.
    I'll bring up something important that you don't have (translated by myself)
    "In football, there should be no place for them [homosexuals]. If statistics say that a team, on average, has 1-2, they have to be hiding damn well, because I never unmasked one."

    I guess that statement contributed the most to the decision to fire him.
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    Nov 06, 2009 1:18 AM GMT
    In Denmark you're actually not allowed to say anything you like. In danish law we have what is known as the discrimination section § 266 b. it was originally made in 1939 to protect the danish jews, and later other minorities were added (sexual orientation in 1980).
    I'm not good with legal terms but I'll translate as well as I can

    § 266 b
    "persons who, publicly or deliberately in wider circles, speak or put forward statements by which a group of people are threatened, mocked or degraded because of race, skin colour, national or ethnic origin, religious belief or sexual orientation, are fined or imprisoned up to 2 years.

    2)
    in sentencing, statements of a propagandic character should be considered an aggravating circumstance
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    Nov 06, 2009 2:19 AM GMT
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    Blondizgd saidI do not agree with this firing. You are allowed to say what you like.


    Yeah, just as you're allowed to wear what you like....
    example.
    I wear my favourite "I fucking hate Jews" t-shirt at work in the office every day and on casual friday I roll up the sleeves to show my swastika tattoo. and that's cool, cos even though my boss don't like, it he respects my individual rights.

    no, wait. that'll never happen, cos people get fired for much less when they don't fit in, or fall in line w company policies. employers impose dress codes, codes of conduct et.c. that are basically opposed to the individuals' freedoms.

    he publicly said what he wanted, and faced the consequences.


    I agree with this statement. I'm actually kind of surprised that some of you can disagree with the soccer club firing him. Freedom of speech does not mean you can say whatever you like whenever you like... He can have his opinions but it does not mean he needs to bring attention to them in autobiography. In turn, because he chose to do that, he has to face the consequences. Good for that soccer club for firing him and sticking to a higher moral standard in their business.
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    Nov 06, 2009 2:20 AM GMT
    WickedRyan saidIn America we have and should keep free speech.People can hate gays or whoever else they want its their business.


    Not when you make public statements when you are representing a team (as an actively playing member). No one is saying he shouldn't have the right to publish a book with all of those vile statements. You do not, however, have a right to employment, and you especially do not have a right to employment when you are thoroughly embarrassing your employer with your free speech.
  • Timbales

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    Nov 06, 2009 3:26 AM GMT
    I'm not going to cry because some overpaid frat boy can't play soccer on a team anymore.
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    Nov 06, 2009 3:33 AM GMT

    Thanks guys, we've been trying to say this about 'free speech' on several topics and this one does it for us.

    tip o the hat to MunchingZombie and others

    -us
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    Nov 06, 2009 3:55 AM GMT
    In the U.S. this same thing could and had happened. Freedom of speech in our constitution is protection from our government infringing on that right, not protection from your private employer. If I said anything racist, homophobic, anti-semitic or sexist at work or if even in print or electronically and this was discovered by my employer, there is a good chance I would be fired as I am the manager of a large number of people.
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    Nov 06, 2009 4:15 AM GMT
    People in Europe, and especially Poland, are particularly sensitive to hate speech because it ruined their country. The Nazis exterminated millions in the largest Jewish ghettos in Poland. Jews, and gays, were killed just for being who they were. Hardly anyone spoke up against it at the time. Because most people were afraid to take a stand, and were willing to say that the Nazis have a right to speak hate, even though they may not have agreed with it, they became complacent in this mass extermination. Saying and doing nothing in the face of what you see is wrong or unacceptable, is just cowardice.
    Thank god the soccer club had the courage to stand up to someone spouting such hate. People like that should be ostracized from societies and organizations that promote tolerance and inclusion. Don't let "freedom of speech" allow for stupidity and hate to become the norm..
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    Nov 06, 2009 5:05 AM GMT
    judoguy saidIn Denmark you're actually not allowed to say anything you like. In danish law we have what is known as the discrimination section § 266 b. it was originally made in 1939 to protect the danish jews, and later other minorities were added (sexual orientation in 1980).
    I'm not good with legal terms but I'll translate as well as I can

    § 266 b
    "persons who, publicly or deliberately in wider circles, speak or put forward statements by which a group of people are threatened, mocked or degraded because of race, skin colour, national or ethnic origin, religious belief or sexual orientation, are fined or imprisoned up to 2 years.

    2)
    in sentencing, statements of a propagandic character should be considered an aggravating circumstance


    If the US had this law, there would be some guys on this site going to jail!

    I agree that the freedom of speech issue is a govt one, not a private business. But lets remember that fact the next time we are ready to scream censorship because a movie theatre chain decides not to show a particular movie due to content. That chain is NOT the govt, the are making a business choice.

    Or lets flip it, what if a conservative soccer team owner has a guy write a book promoting his homosexual lifestyle. Is it ok for the owner to fire that player for not promoting the image of the business?

    Everything works both ways and that makes life more complicated.