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Polish goalkeeper Arek (Arkadiusz) Onyszcko (I wonder if I spelled that right), who until recently played for Danish club F.C. Midtjylland, got fired this week when passages from his coming autobiography "Fucking Polak" revealed controversial views on gays among other things.

"I hate fags. I really do. I think it's fucking gross. It's so creepy hearing them talking to each other. Like they're girls. I can't be in the company of anyone gay. Seeing them kissing. it's fucking gross."

In addition to that, in the book he alledgedly expresses degrading views on women (he's actually divorced cos he beat his wife up a few years ago), and he admires Hells Angels (the drug dealing and murdering biker gang) for their very masculine type of camraderie/brotherhood.

In other words he's a backwards goon who's mentally stuck in the dark ages.

So after having read the book, the direction of the Football Club fired the goalkeeper. His views didn't match the clubs image or policies. And I think the sponsors weren't happy either.

To me it's good news, that the club took a stand instead of trying to silence or make light of the whole thing, which I think many clubs would have done, in order to keep a key player.

Most excellent club.

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I do not agree with this firing. You are allowed to say what you like.

So what he has some negative views on homosexuals; big deal. maybe he has had some negative experiences; like many of us have. He has a right to a view on homosexuality, and political correctness, does not have a right to dictate to him, it must all be good. I being a pure homosexual, am not homophobic, but I don't agree with all things gay.

The same can be said about his view on women. Now as a pure homosexual; never touched a women. Who works in the field that is 85%+ women, I can tell you they can be mean, spitful, vindictive, hate you for a lifetime over the smallest of things, when the bad goes around like wildfire, and never touching the good stuff, if they hate you, because you deserve their vile vindictive spitful natures. Nothing misogynist about it, it's all true, and since it's OK for women to be men haters, and they still don't have a name for them. Oh yes they don " Feminazis".

Oh Denmark... you are the best. They are the awesome st country in the world. They are also one of the best badminton nations competing with countries like South Korea, China (most popular sport in China) and Malaysia, at just over 5 million people. I've met a few Danes and they are generally very vulgar, friendly and hilarious.

Pattison saidSo what he has some negative views on homosexuals; big deal. maybe he has had some negative experiences; like many of us have. He has a right to a view on homosexuality, and political correctness, does not have a right to dictate to him, it must all be good. I being a pure homosexual, am not homophobic, but I don't agree with all things gay.

The same can be said about his view on women. Now as a pure homosexual; never touched a women. Who works in the field that is 85%+ women, I can tell you they can be mean, spitful, vindictive, hate you for a lifetime over the smallest of things, when the bad goes around like wildfire, and never touching the good stuff, if they hate you, because you deserve their vile vindictive spitful natures. Nothing misogynist about it, it's all true, and since it's OK for women to be men haters, and they still don't have a name for them. Oh yes they don " Feminazis".

Yeah it's their right to fire him if he doesn't fit their image. They are running a business, after all.

In America we have and should keep free speech.People can hate gays or whoever else they want its their business.

Oh wow, being Polish I feel weird. But I shouldn't, Poland is very traditional and I'm sure there's lots of people like that. But yeah, I suppose if you consider it from the angle of free speech, he should say whatever he feels like.

Any link to a story, where'd you get this?

Free speech doesn't mean speech free from consequences.

You go into work tomorrow and call your boss an ass hole and see how free your speech is.

WickedRyan saidIn America we have and should keep free speech.People can hate gays or whoever else they want its their business.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anyones rights to say what he thinks ends when his statements affect the viability of the organization he represents. He asked for it !!!! We adults have to remember back when we were children that we were told "just because you think it, doesn't mean you should say it". I don't have much sympathy for people who cannot control their mouths, and its even worse when they purposely print something that a reasonable person would or should know is unacceptable.

Blondizgd saidI do not agree with this firing. You are allowed to say what you like.

Yeah, just as you're allowed to wear what you like....
example.
I wear my favourite "I fucking hate Jews" t-shirt at work in the office every day and on casual friday I roll up the sleeves to show my swastika tattoo. and that's cool, cos even though my boss don't like, it he respects my individual rights.

no, wait. that'll never happen, cos people get fired for much less when they don't fit in, or fall in line w company policies. employers impose dress codes, codes of conduct et.c. that are basically opposed to the individuals' freedoms.

he publicly said what he wanted, and faced the consequences.

judoguy saidIn other words he's a backwards goon who's mentally stuck in the dark ages.

If only we could fire all Republicans in the US for the same reason.

Hmmmm. Let's see. He doesn't like women and has a fear of homosexual men...

Blondizgd saidI do not agree with this firing. You are allowed to say what you like.

he did get to say what he wanted to.

that doesn't mean that what you have to say isn't going to have consequences. If they had allowed him to stay then i would view it as the team agrees with him, and the sponsors agree with him.

I got no problem with a private company making a decision that best serves it's best interests. The dude has every right to say what he wants, but he must deal with the consequences. It's no censorship, that is only when a government criminalizes speech.

MuscleLuke saidOh wow, being Polish I feel weird. But I shouldn't, Poland is very traditional and I'm sure there's lots of people like that. But yeah, I suppose if you consider it from the angle of free speech, he should say whatever he feels like.

Any link to a story, where'd you get this?

it's been all over the danish media, I don't know if the story's available in english anywhere...

judoguy saidPolish goalkeeper Arek (Arkadiusz) Onyszcko (I wonder if I spelled that right), who until recently played for Danish club F.C. Midtjylland, got fired this week when passages from his coming autobiography "Fucking Polak" revealed controversial views on gays among other things.

"I hate fags. I really do. I think it's fucking gross. It's so creepy hearing them talking to each other. Like they're girls. I can't be in the company of anyone gay. Seeing them kissing. it's fucking gross."

In addition to that, in the book he alledgedly expresses degrading views on women (he's actually divorced cos he beat his wife up a few years ago), and he admires Hells Angels (the drug dealing and murdering biker gang) for their very masculine type of camraderie/brotherhood.

In other words he's a backwards goon who's mentally stuck in the dark ages.

So after having read the book, the direction of the Football Club fired the goalkeeper. His views didn't match the clubs image or policies. And I think the sponsors weren't happy either.

To me it's good news, that the club took a stand instead of trying to silence or make light of the whole thing, which I think many clubs would have done, in order to keep a key player.

It's Onyszko. And I found an article about it and read some more.
I'll bring up something important that you don't have (translated by myself)
"In football, there should be no place for them [homosexuals]. If statistics say that a team, on average, has 1-2, they have to be hiding damn well, because I never unmasked one."

I guess that statement contributed the most to the decision to fire him.

In Denmark you're actually not allowed to say anything you like. In danish law we have what is known as the discrimination section § 266 b. it was originally made in 1939 to protect the danish jews, and later other minorities were added (sexual orientation in 1980).
I'm not good with legal terms but I'll translate as well as I can

§ 266 b
"persons who, publicly or deliberately in wider circles, speak or put forward statements by which a group of people are threatened, mocked or degraded because of race, skin colour, national or ethnic origin, religious belief or sexual orientation, are fined or imprisoned up to 2 years.

2)
in sentencing, statements of a propagandic character should be considered an aggravating circumstance

judoguy said

Blondizgd saidI do not agree with this firing. You are allowed to say what you like.

Yeah, just as you're allowed to wear what you like....
example.
I wear my favourite "I fucking hate Jews" t-shirt at work in the office every day and on casual friday I roll up the sleeves to show my swastika tattoo. and that's cool, cos even though my boss don't like, it he respects my individual rights.

no, wait. that'll never happen, cos people get fired for much less when they don't fit in, or fall in line w company policies. employers impose dress codes, codes of conduct et.c. that are basically opposed to the individuals' freedoms.

he publicly said what he wanted, and faced the consequences.

I agree with this statement. I'm actually kind of surprised that some of you can disagree with the soccer club firing him. Freedom of speech does not mean you can say whatever you like whenever you like... He can have his opinions but it does not mean he needs to bring attention to them in autobiography. In turn, because he chose to do that, he has to face the consequences. Good for that soccer club for firing him and sticking to a higher moral standard in their business.

WickedRyan saidIn America we have and should keep free speech.People can hate gays or whoever else they want its their business.

Not when you make public statements when you are representing a team (as an actively playing member). No one is saying he shouldn't have the right to publish a book with all of those vile statements. You do not, however, have a right to employment, and you especially do not have a right to employment when you are thoroughly embarrassing your employer with your free speech.

I'm not going to cry because some overpaid frat boy can't play soccer on a team anymore.

Thanks guys, we've been trying to say this about 'free speech' on several topics and this one does it for us.

tip o the hat to MunchingZombie and others

-us

In the U.S. this same thing could and had happened. Freedom of speech in our constitution is protection from our government infringing on that right, not protection from your private employer. If I said anything racist, homophobic, anti-semitic or sexist at work or if even in print or electronically and this was discovered by my employer, there is a good chance I would be fired as I am the manager of a large number of people.

People in Europe, and especially Poland, are particularly sensitive to hate speech because it ruined their country. The Nazis exterminated millions in the largest Jewish ghettos in Poland. Jews, and gays, were killed just for being who they were. Hardly anyone spoke up against it at the time. Because most people were afraid to take a stand, and were willing to say that the Nazis have a right to speak hate, even though they may not have agreed with it, they became complacent in this mass extermination. Saying and doing nothing in the face of what you see is wrong or unacceptable, is just cowardice.
Thank god the soccer club had the courage to stand up to someone spouting such hate. People like that should be ostracized from societies and organizations that promote tolerance and inclusion. Don't let "freedom of speech" allow for stupidity and hate to become the norm..

judoguy saidIn Denmark you're actually not allowed to say anything you like. In danish law we have what is known as the discrimination section § 266 b. it was originally made in 1939 to protect the danish jews, and later other minorities were added (sexual orientation in 1980).
I'm not good with legal terms but I'll translate as well as I can

§ 266 b
"persons who, publicly or deliberately in wider circles, speak or put forward statements by which a group of people are threatened, mocked or degraded because of race, skin colour, national or ethnic origin, religious belief or sexual orientation, are fined or imprisoned up to 2 years.

2)
in sentencing, statements of a propagandic character should be considered an aggravating circumstance

If the US had this law, there would be some guys on this site going to jail!

I agree that the freedom of speech issue is a govt one, not a private business. But lets remember that fact the next time we are ready to scream censorship because a movie theatre chain decides not to show a particular movie due to content. That chain is NOT the govt, the are making a business choice.

Or lets flip it, what if a conservative soccer team owner has a guy write a book promoting his homosexual lifestyle. Is it ok for the owner to fire that player for not promoting the image of the business?

Everything works both ways and that makes life more complicated.

It always surprises me that these guys are actually stupid enough to say these sorts of things in public and jeopardize lucrative and successful careers.

I don't really care if that's what he thinks, but is it really worth mouthing off about it?

"Or lets flip it, what if a conservative soccer team owner has a guy write a book promoting his homosexual lifestyle."

This example is not one of hate, like the soccer player's blog.

Blondizgd saidI do not agree with this firing. You are allowed to say what you like.

No you aren't, not when you are employed by a company whom you represent with your actions. His public actions carry onto the team and you are guaranteed that was in his contract.

meninlove said
"Or lets flip it, what if a conservative soccer team owner has a guy write a book promoting his homosexual lifestyle."

This example is not one of hate, like the soccer player's blog.

True. So lets take it a step further - the gay (or straight) soccer star is one of the guys on here who writes about how he ignorant Christians are - a Mike Malloy (from Air America) who says "I hate Christians - have I told you today how much I hate these people"? Are you still going to support the firing?

I'm not trying to make a case one way or the other, just like to look at all sides of issues and make sure I don't just see something from one angle.

Okay the guy is an idiot. I believe the guy should say whatever he wants as long as he lives with the ramifications. He lost a very lucrative career because he cant keep his mouth shut? What a dildo.

good. it would be foolish for any business to put up with anything that an employee says.

Even free speech is limited, as it should be, there are many cases when you can be rightfully penalized for what you say.

muscles4muscles saidHmmmm. Let's see. He doesn't like women and has a fear of homosexual men...

LOL I was thinking the same, and he admires übermacho biker gangsters...

sounds kinda g0y LOL

Can an employer fire someone for voting or supporting anti-gay laws?

triguybi said

meninlove said
"Or lets flip it, what if a conservative soccer team owner has a guy write a book promoting his homosexual lifestyle."

This example is not one of hate, like the soccer player's blog.

True. So lets take it a step further - the gay (or straight) soccer star is one of the guys on here who writes about how he ignorant Christians are - a Mike Malloy (from Air America) who says "I hate Christians - have I told you today how much I hate these people"? Are you still going to support the firing?

I'm not trying to make a case one way or the other, just like to look at all sides of issues and make sure I don't just see something from one angle.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I cannot imagine any major media not firing someone promoting "i hate christians" or any other such statements. Actually I'm looking for the day coming in the next couple years where Beck, and Limbaugh's mouths finally bring them down. They seem to be going out on a limb to see who can say the most outlandish thing. It will catch up to them, time will tell, but usually hate, like these people promote will come back to bite their own asses. It will come, I hope its soon !!!

josephmovie saidIt always surprises me that these guys are actually stupid enough to say these sorts of things in public and jeopardize lucrative and successful careers.

I don't really care if that's what he thinks, but is it really worth mouthing off about it?

Maybe he is hoping for a lucrative career as victim of the leftist liberals coddled by right-wing nut-cases, who trot him out as motivational speaker at their tent-events.

After all Miss CA wanted to dine off her "discrimination" until the end of times. At least her gravy-train derailed this week when her xxx-tape surfaced.

As a funny reaction to this story, on monday night at the awards for Danish soccer player of the year, 3 ( straight) professional players and a former Danish national team player, Allan Nielsen, showed up in t-shirts w silver print that said " I'M GAY".

Allan Nielsen said about the statements in the book, "so much rubbish is being said about gay people these days, it might as well have been one of us who were gay".

Yeah I wish... I used to have a little crush on this guy when I was younger.
(it was the 90's hence the hair and nose strip LOL)

judoguy said

Blondizgd saidI do not agree with this firing. You are allowed to say what you like.

Yeah, just as you're allowed to wear what you like....
example.
I wear my favourite "I fucking hate Jews" t-shirt at work in the office every day and on casual friday I roll up the sleeves to show my swastika tattoo. and that's cool, cos even though my boss don't like, it he respects my individual rights.

no, wait. that'll never happen, cos people get fired for much less when they don't fit in, or fall in line w company policies. employers impose dress codes, codes of conduct et.c. that are basically opposed to the individuals' freedoms.

he publicly said what he wanted, and faced the consequences.

And had he said he hated Christians? Would you now be celebrating? Would it have even made the headlines?

Blondizgd said

judoguy said

Blondizgd saidI do not agree with this firing. You are allowed to say what you like.

Yeah, just as you're allowed to wear what you like....
example.
I wear my favourite "I fucking hate Jews" t-shirt at work in the office every day and on casual friday I roll up the sleeves to show my swastika tattoo. and that's cool, cos even though my boss don't like, it he respects my individual rights.

no, wait. that'll never happen, cos people get fired for much less when they don't fit in, or fall in line w company policies. employers impose dress codes, codes of conduct et.c. that are basically opposed to the individuals' freedoms.

he publicly said what he wanted, and faced the consequences.

And had he said he hated Christians? Would you now be celebrating? Would it have even made the headlines?

1) No,
2) probably would make it to the news actually
3) Don't make this thread into something else, it's tiresome cos there're tons of other threads about that.

It's the guy's right to out himself as a moron and it's the club's right to exclude morons. Nobody is denying this man's right to opine. They're simply exercising the rights they have to exclude someone whom they don't like. It happens to gays all the time. Goose and gander thing.

Blondizgd saidI do not agree with this firing. You are allowed to say what you like.

Ew another talking decapitated cadaver. It's unsurprising that people with no heads say nothing of value, no?

whewf... good everyone in the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB etc loves the homos! Wait a second...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rocker

"It's the most hectic, nerve-racking city. Imagine having to take the 7 Train to the ballpark looking like you're riding through Beirut next to some kid with purple hair, next to some queer with AIDS, right next to some dude who just got out of jail for the fourth time, right next to some 20-year-old mom with four kids. It's depressing... The biggest thing I don't like about New York are the foreigners. You can walk an entire block in Times Square and not hear anybody speaking English. Asians and Koreans and Vietnamese and Indians and Russians and Spanish people and everything up there. How the hell did they get in this country?"


Who is gonna design your stylish uniforms after all?
Yeah... if you got rid of us... well... the jerseys might look like this.