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Did you like Will & Grace?
DanielH Posts: 450	Nov 05, 2009 7:11 PM GMT I honestly loved the show. Loved the comedy. Loved the story. Loved Will Truman. Every time I'd see him I'd be like, "oh bby oh bby." He's on my want list for sure. Also liked Karen. Hilarious tequila.

wrestlervic Posts: 748	Nov 05, 2009 7:17 PM GMT You're much hotter than Will Truman.
rnch Posts: 1054	Nov 05, 2009 7:29 PM GMT LOVED the will & grace characters, could tolerate the karen character, the jack character was damn annoying.
Hidden member	Nov 05, 2009 7:39 PM GMT I used to not like it at first. Seemed like the first couple of seasons was all about making the problems of well known celebrities the butt of everyone's jokes on the show. I thought it was an awful way to extract humor from people's real life struggles. And what's worse is that people in real life emulate behaviors seen on TV. Need examples to see my point? Think...."Jerry Springer" or "Friends" and you can see how people imitate what they see on TV. I think they turned that around and eventually became more sensitive to this and then I started liking the show much better. And I loved all the cameo appearances from well known stars like Gina Davis, Janet Jackson, Michael Douglas and the list goes on and on. That show really was creative and original.
DanielH Posts: 450	Nov 05, 2009 7:52 PM GMT wrestlervic saidYou're much hotter than Will Truman. Oh...
catfish5 Posts: 157	Nov 05, 2009 8:56 PM GMT wrestlervic saidYou're much hotter than Will Truman. I've never really watched the show, but wrestlervic was right- you are much much hotter than whats-his-face.
jackofhearts4... Posts: 167	Nov 05, 2009 8:58 PM GMT who doesn't love that show... mainly for karen and will though
cowboyathlete Posts: 973	Nov 05, 2009 8:59 PM GMT I liked it at first, but as time wore on it was clear how shallow the lead characters were.
Hidden member	Nov 05, 2009 9:00 PM GMT jackofhearts46 saidwho doesn't love that show... mainly for karen and will though I didn't love the show Jack and Karen were like pulling teeth ( not that i've ever had any pulled) Some episodes were more likeable than others
Hidden member	Nov 05, 2009 9:03 PM GMT I looooved the show. Hate how it ended, though.
xanadude Posts: 243	Nov 05, 2009 9:14 PM GMT I can't remember where I heard it first, but I recall someone saying that in order to make gay characters palatable (read: non-offensive) for a "mainstream" (ie. straight) audience, they are generally portrayed in one of two ways: the eunich (Will) a character who is romantically inert (no bf, no physically romantic scenes, no post-coital scenes) that it is hard to think of him as gay; and the jester (Jack) a character so over-the-top (ie. the stereotypical flaming queen) -- in both cases, it desexualizes the character and makes him a non-threat to traditional values/mindsets. As gay men, we can get the in-joke (there are many great one-liners from all the characters) -- but do straight people, even the ones who consider themselves well-versed with "the gays"?
josephmovie Posts: 211	Nov 05, 2009 9:18 PM GMT I thought the ending was spot on. She finds someone, they suddenly have less in common. It wasn't a happy ending in a stereotypical way, but it was a realistic one. A brave move by the writers instead of some awful Friends type ending.
Hidden member	Nov 05, 2009 9:25 PM GMT xanadude saidI can't remember where I heard it first, but I recall someone saying that in order to make gay characters palatable (read: non-offensive) for a "mainstream" (ie. straight) audience, they are generally portrayed in one of two ways: the eunich (Will) a character who is romantically inert (no bf, no physically romantic scenes, no post-coital scenes) that it desez it's hard to think of him as gay; and the jester (Jack) a character so over-the-top (ie. the stereotypical flaming queen) -- in both cases, it desexualizes the character and makes him a non-threat to traditional values/mindsets. As gay men, we can get the in-joke (there are many great one-liners from all the characters) -- but do straight people, even the ones who consider themselves well-versed with "the gays"? Spot on! I despised the show
collegekid200... Posts: 182	Nov 05, 2009 9:26 PM GMT I love Karen, she's my idol!
timmie69 Posts: 31	Nov 05, 2009 9:34 PM GMT LOVED IT SO MUCH...and yes Will was hot(so was his boyfriend Vince) and Karen was my drinking buddy
Hidden member	Nov 05, 2009 9:34 PM GMT For about two minutes, until I seen Jack, and I was then so over it all.
Hidden member	Nov 05, 2009 9:36 PM GMT I literally only came across it this week. I loved the 2 episodes I saw on youtube
iGunner Posts: 49	Nov 05, 2009 9:36 PM GMT I have all 8 season's on DVD, I don't see how any on can sit there and say anything bad about Jack, I mean COME ON! Jack and Karen made that dang show, lol. I always thought it should have been called, "Jack and Karen" not Will & Grace!
DanielH Posts: 450	Nov 05, 2009 9:38 PM GMT iGunner saidI have all 8 season's on DVD, I don't see how any on can sit there and say anything bad about Jack, I mean COME ON! Jack and Karen made that dang show, lol. I always thought it should have been called, "Jack and Karen" not Will & Grace! I don't know about that. I think they were like chocolate milk. Sure they're super awesome, but after a while it makes you feel kind of sick. I did love them though. Jack tended to get on my nerves though, but that doesn't seem to be an exception.
iGunner Posts: 49	Nov 05, 2009 9:45 PM GMT Eek! Yeah I know what you mean about the Chocolate milk thing, too much would have been horrible, but they always seemed to give the right amount for me, just enough to where I thought about filling my glass up one more time! lol.. As for Will, his jokes always fell short, and he is straight in real life too, so that hurt him in my book.. But he was a pretty good gay man on television! lol
Hidden member	Nov 05, 2009 9:52 PM GMT I loved it. Have watched it more than once and can surely watch it again and again.
Hidden member	Nov 05, 2009 10:02 PM GMT chalk me up in the loved it column. You know the one that laughed at every quote in that "favorite lines from Will & Grace" forum.
WickedRyan Posts: 58	Nov 05, 2009 10:08 PM GMT Loved it! Go Karen
EricLA Posts: 2306	Nov 05, 2009 10:24 PM GMT I thought the show was well-made, but wildly uneven. The first season or two were entertaining, but I thought the middle years it just became a bitch-fest. I thought the characters were just cruel to each other. Why would these people be friends? They seemed to pull back in the last few seasons. There were times I enjoyed all the stunt casting they began to do, and other times there was a big disconnect. Matt Damon playing a straight guy pretending to be gay in order to join a Gay Men's Chorus was a great episode.
Anto Posts: 756	Nov 05, 2009 11:18 PM GMT I felt frustrated that this was how gay people were needed to be portrayed as in order for people to find them in a show acceptable. The female with the high pitch voice was funny though, and the other female that acted like a reincarnated Lucille Ball. The kind of humor she did reminded of the kind of humor from 'I Love Lucy'.
musclebuilder... Posts: 42	Nov 05, 2009 11:19 PM GMT Loved it. Met Eric McCormack. Great guy, very down to earth. Have dinner with him
DolGe Posts: 16	Nov 05, 2009 11:24 PM GMT I watched the show, and came to a realization, that I need a real life Karen
Hidden member	Nov 05, 2009 11:27 PM GMT i loved the show..but gay issues where usually ignored...and they made the role of the gay men be superficial, men that had nothing interesting going on in their lives besides men and relationships....further more....none of the gay men got married. It was always Karen and Grace.
Hidden member	Nov 05, 2009 11:31 PM GMT I have to agree with Eric- The first two seasons were bearable but after that I felt as if all of the characters just kept losing more and more brain cells just like the viewers... How it lasted so long.... is be beyond me. --- I tend to only enjoy the first 1-3 seasons of a television show...
steltom Posts: 819	Nov 05, 2009 11:33 PM GMT I love the show. Was a little disappointed in the ending. Only cause I like "Happy Endings" more and more as I get older...
jrs1 Posts: 1474	Nov 05, 2009 11:37 PM GMT No.
Soundwave Posts: 720	Nov 06, 2009 12:25 AM GMT My friends in high school used to have a bit of a game - 3 slots, choose characters from will and grace to fill them. Eg. I'm two Karens and a Will
zj127 Posts: 8	Nov 06, 2009 12:29 AM GMT collegekid2004 saidI love Karen, she's my idol! oh yes, she is one funny crazy bitch!!!!!
n8698u Posts: 58	Nov 06, 2009 12:34 AM GMT I loved the show up until Grace got married. It got weaker from then on, with certain episodes better than others. You could see that the actors were becoming tired or bored…the writers too. I loved Will’s birthday episode, when he goes to Psychic Sue, and Jack gets Will a Cher doll. Some of the physical comedy is hilarious. Sean Hayes is a master. I loved Karen. She’s not too different from Patsy and Eddie on AbFab. I loved when Karen and Rosario would argue. Rosario: Listen lady! In my country, I was a school teacher. Karen: Oh, really? In my country, you wash my bras.
inmotion1 Posts: 39	Nov 06, 2009 12:37 AM GMT I loved the show! I love Karen...
Hidden member	Nov 06, 2009 12:40 AM GMT i liked it. it was nice to see a gay show on prime time tv
dannyboy1101 Posts: 528	Nov 06, 2009 12:47 AM GMT Not much of a fan of the show. I just got too frustrated that it seemed to convey at times that gays were incapable of successful relationships so they should just find a woman to be around and not have sex (a marriage in all essence). Definitely not how I'd want to (or how I do) live as a single gay male.
Hidden member	Nov 06, 2009 1:33 AM GMT Lostboy saidI literally only came across it this week. Can't ya use your sock like everybody else?
Soulasphyxi Posts: 159	Nov 06, 2009 1:34 AM GMT I liked Karen.
Hidden member	Nov 06, 2009 2:00 AM GMT I just loved Will & Grace! They need more shows like that back on tv. The writers of that show were excellent - especially some of the dialouge for Karen Walker.
hoosierlad Posts: 35	Nov 06, 2009 2:15 AM GMT Bottom line is it was funny (at least most of the time). Why does every show with a gay character have to use them to prove some huge point? It is a sitcom, whose main purpose is to make me laugh. If I want to learn a valuable life lesson, I'll watch, to paraphrase Jack, " tonights special episode of Blossom".
Hidden member	Nov 06, 2009 2:20 AM GMT Anto saidI felt frustrated that this was how gay people were needed to be portrayed as in order for people to find them in a show acceptable. The female with the high pitch voice was funny though, and the other female that acted like a reincarnated Lucille Ball. The kind of humor she did reminded of the kind of humor from 'I Love Lucy'. I agree, the portrayal of gay people annoyed me too sometimes, but the comedy and dialogue was great sometimes, especially Karen being mean. But jack and his cher impersonation was really funny.
running11 Posts: 19	Nov 06, 2009 2:28 AM GMT Loved it. Enough said.
calibro Posts: 1348	Nov 06, 2009 2:35 AM GMT Awesome show and wanted Karen and Jack to have their own spin-off
calibro Posts: 1348	Nov 06, 2009 2:35 AM GMT Awesome show and wanted Karen and Jack to have their own spin-off
Balljunkie Posts: 580	Nov 06, 2009 3:55 AM GMT I loved the show. It was funny, and great writing. Some really good lines. Jack and Will remind me of several gay guys that I know. Will being the uptight successful gay man that is embarrassed by his effeminate friend and effeminate qualities (how many threads on here have been about that topic?). Jack being a shallow, narcissistic, bitchy flake obsessed with his body and the gym that can't stay on one topic or thing for more than a day. A lot of gay men hate the show, but take a look around. There are many gay men that fit these stereotypes. Hell, there are guys on this site who fit these stereotypes.
Hidden member	Nov 06, 2009 4:05 AM GMT I loved the show! Will and Karen were awesome! God! I want a real life Karen! That would be excellent!!!!
jmals23 Posts: 94	Nov 06, 2009 10:45 PM GMT Nope, can't say I ever liked this show.
xanadude Posts: 243	Nov 07, 2009 11:35 PM GMT hoosierlad saidBottom line is it was funny (at least most of the time). Why does every show with a gay character have to use them to prove some huge point? It is a sitcom, whose main purpose is to make me laugh. If I want to learn a valuable life lesson, I'll watch, to paraphrase Jack, " tonights special episode of Blossom". It's not that they need to prove a point -- they just need to be represented to straight audiences in a way that is less stereotypical and less within their comfort zone. I'm not suggesting the characterization on QAF...but something in between would be nice. If Grace can be shown naked in her bed with her bf after sex, so can Will.
Hidden member	Nov 07, 2009 11:47 PM GMT wrestlervic saidYou're much hotter than Will Truman. Definitely! ;-)
sliyah Posts: 1	Nov 08, 2009 12:56 AM GMT i loved the show..but was really dissapointed by the last 2 episode,it was kinda annoying & sad.. come on guys,it was a comedy tv show ..and who were more funny than Caren & Jack?? not Grace!!!!!!!
Hidden member	Nov 10, 2009 8:46 PM GMT lilZ saidI looooved the show. Hate how it ended, though. Amen to the ending complaint! Loved the show and characters...sadly the ending reminded me too much of Cheers. Wasn't really original, like the rest of the show.
Hidden member	Nov 10, 2009 8:47 PM GMT I did not like Will and Grace. I liked Jack and Karen. But I didn't like when straight people liked Jack and Karen. I liked it when they liked Will and Grace. I think we all loved Rosario though.
DanielH Posts: 450	Nov 10, 2009 8:50 PM GMT RuggerATX saidI did not like Will and Grace. I liked Jack and Karen. But I didn't like when straight people liked Jack and Karen. I liked it when they liked Will and Grace. I think we all loved Rosario though. She was representing.
Hidden member	Nov 10, 2009 9:56 PM GMT bigmusclepete said Lostboy saidI literally only came across it this week. Can't ya use your sock like everybody else? i also found a picture of Charlitos
Blake2g3 Posts: 18	Nov 10, 2009 11:14 PM GMT Funny this topic should come up. My boyfriend just bought the first season for us to watch. He loves the show and I love Frasier. The other day he asked if I ever watched it, I said no. I now have a feeling I'll be watching two episodes a night until I've seen them all. I hope it's good.
jarhead5536 Posts: 1255	Nov 10, 2009 11:43 PM GMT I loved it at first. As time went on, the characters became caricatures of themselves, losing any redeeming qualities they previously had, especially Jack. He was so unlikable by the end that I don't know how Will could have put up with him all those years before the show started. Karen became fairly awful to be around also, but she was so funny that I would have wanted her to be my friend anyway. And, I think the "jump the shark" moment came fairly early in its run (the decision by Will and Grace to make a baby and the subsequent introduction of Leo). I suspect I watched it out of some sense of loyalty after that. I mean, even the creators said after the first season that allowing any of the major characters to have a serious relationship would expand the quartet, and we would be left with a dimestore "Friends."...
charlitos Posts: 2665	Nov 11, 2009 12:08 AM GMT Lostboy said i also found a picture of Charlitos
jarhead5536 Posts: 1255	Nov 11, 2009 2:42 AM GMT RuggerATX saidI did not like Will and Grace. I liked Jack and Karen. But I didn't like when straight people liked Jack and Karen. I liked it when they liked Will and Grace. I think we all loved Rosario though. Despite the title, Debra Messing and Eric McCormack were not the stars of the show. This was definitely an ensemble of equals. Jack and Karen were by far more interesting, but Will and Grace were supposed to represent the supposed Everyman and Everywoman, yet were so neurotic and insecure that we sympathized with them. They were there basically to represent the rest of us, doing our best to make it through our lives, while observing the antics of our far more colorful friends. Grace did eventually become so selfish and princess-like that I don't think anyone could identify with her anymore...
Hidden member	Nov 11, 2009 3:08 AM GMT collegekid2004 saidI love Karen, she's my idol! ditto
DODGY1974 Posts: 484	Nov 11, 2009 3:23 AM GMT I liked Will, Grace not so much. (duh) Karen & Rosario, they were great.
dmostwanted Posts: 526	Nov 11, 2009 3:32 AM GMT wrestlervic saidYou're much hotter than Will Truman. I agree!

DCEric Posts: 1551	Nov 11, 2009 3:33 AM GMT jmals23 saidNope, can't say I ever liked this show. This