The Word Fag

  • inkedrugger

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    Nov 06, 2009 6:01 AM GMT
    Last night I was watching Southpark, when an episode based around the words "fag" and "faggot" came on.

    In the episode, it points out that the meaning of the word faggot has changed over the centuries.

    My question to you guys is, what do you think of the word fag as used today? Do you think that it is used as an intent attack on the queer society?

    I know Southpark is just a cartoon, but once in a while there is an episode with a good focal point.

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    Nov 06, 2009 6:07 AM GMT

    lol, we don't like the words fag or queer, depending on whose lips speak them.

    Both words were bad news when we were young.
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    Nov 06, 2009 6:21 AM GMT
    Most of their episodes make good points. A lot of it is based around the absurd behavior of Middle America.
  • sfboy987

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    Nov 06, 2009 6:38 AM GMT
    This is actually funny because I was intending on bringing up the topic as well. I was bothered my str8 "friends" constantly use this word, even though they know I am gay and have asked them a few times to not use the word in front of me. Then coincedently this South Park episode came up. I still feel guys who use the word refer to someone who is non-masculine (i.e. gay). I am actually a bit confused on the issue myself.
  • mcwclewis

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    Nov 06, 2009 7:11 AM GMT
    I can't stand it. Whether it comes from straight or gay, I dont care.

    I think it's absolutely disrespectful. I know, I know there are all these arguments about how it's just a word. Whatever, words have meaning.

    I think it's horrible.

    And yes I think it's an attack, whether intentional or subconsious, on gays. The argument about what it means in England and whatever doesn't mean anything to me, because the people saying it are not from England. I've had people say "Oh I didn't mean it that way, it means like, weak or girly, or like a douchebag." I'm glad thats what people associate us with....

    I don't think it's something we should let continue in mainstream culture, we let enough shit slip.
  • inkedrugger

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    Nov 06, 2009 7:18 AM GMT
    I forgot to mention this in my original post, but I use the word fag like most other people.

    Someone was actually shocked that I said it too. He asked me the difference. My personal belief is that it isn't an attack on us, just a way of expressing a lifestyle, like "queen".

    From what I've experienced, fag is to straight people as queen is to gay people.

    I haven't looked into it, but according to the show, the progression of the word fag was from a bundle of sticks, to a person who carried the sticks, to an old person, to something "queer", as in strange, to gay people.
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    Nov 06, 2009 7:38 AM GMT
    I've read two posts recently of younger members who were holding hands in public and called fags. In both these posts the guys laughed at the person who was supposed to be hurting them. I can't think of any more powerful reaction or response.
    Words do not define us - we define words. We empower words. The value we assign to them is maleable.
    Written language is very different from spoken language. When I use words humorously in the privacy of my home, in conversation, my intonation and inflection color them in ways that make my intent obvious to the listener. By laughing at words that once hurt me I take charge of their emotional meaning. I define them for myself.
    If people use words to hurt others that is certainly wrong, but I think the intent is the primary issue, not the word.
  • drypin

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    Nov 06, 2009 8:03 AM GMT
    Well said jawrhed.

    On a related point, I had only been in Germany for a year and was still learning the language when some university student uttered the German equivalent of fag as we walked by each other on campus. I took a few more steps before I understood what he had said and for the rest of my walk I wondered... did he get any satisfaction out of it? Does the satisfaction of such "attacks" come from the uttering or in the reaction of the hearer?