Experts: Fear in 'Yes on 1' ads changed the outcome

  • metta

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    Nov 06, 2009 7:53 AM GMT



    http://www.sunjournal.com/node/431284
  • metta

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    Nov 06, 2009 5:59 PM GMT
    bump....bump...


    come on gays....get mean...use fear....no more mr. nice gay. ;)
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    Nov 06, 2009 6:11 PM GMT
    I disagree. Compared to last year Republican turnout was flat and Democrat turnout was down. That was true across the entire country. Why? I have two theories.

    1) Take a look at the President's approval rating.
    2) Democrats followed politics from December 2007 to November 2008. Can they really be expected to keep paying attention for longer than that?
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    Nov 06, 2009 6:19 PM GMT
    It is aggravating that we are afraid to bring up the ugly past and even the ugly present about what homophobia does to both gays and gay youth.

    How about this ..

    homophobia kills your children in school ... school children are taunted by homophobes to the point of suicide ... gay teenager shot in the head by homophobic youth in the middle of class. Gay youth kicked out of home for being gay. Radio host suggest trans-gender youth deserve to be beaten by school mates. Gay youth rejected by homophobic people are 8 times more likely to commit suicide.

    Just what are your children really being taught in school?????
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    Nov 06, 2009 6:34 PM GMT
    I find myself caring less and less about this subject.
    The pro-'gay' marriage campaigns will always be heavily flawed.
    Some are too vague, some are too sweet, most ignore minorities, and none of them are 'cutting edge.'
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    People are constantly blaming the 'black/african americans' for passing prop 8- but how many campaigns were out their trying to get a 'no' vote from them. They only ran ONE ad in spanish using actors no one that watches spanish television and, I'm assuming, none in korean/chinese.... The 'yes' side acknowledged them all.

    Blame the campaign managers not the voters.
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    Nov 06, 2009 6:45 PM GMT
    How about this one:

    If you are against Gays getting married .. you ARE a HOMOPHOBE and a BIGOT!

    simple and to the point.
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    Nov 06, 2009 8:05 PM GMT
    I kinda have to agree with what Slut_Bag posted. Prop 8 passed here in CA because the people behind it were very effective with their marketing/propaganda. They created some very crafty ads that played on emotions and fear mongering. And they spent a lot of money on airtime to make sure those ads stayed in everyone's heads, both on TV and radio.

    The anti Prop 8 ads were forgettable, and not aired enough. Some were really ambiguous and didn't directly issue the at all. Like when I first saw this ad, I had no idea it was for pro gay marriage, until someone told me..

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    Nov 06, 2009 8:19 PM GMT
    It's dumb to place the blame for bigotry on anyone but the bigoted people. No one should make excuses for homophobes.
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    Nov 06, 2009 10:12 PM GMT
    We should have an ad that says:

    HOMOPHOBIA LEADS TO SOUTHERN RAP MUSIC, TERRORISTS, CHRISTIAN WHITE-PRIDE MUSIC, THE RESURRECTION OF CASSETTE TAPES, SLAVERY OF BLACKS, CONCENTRATION CAMPS, DEATH TO ALL PUPPIES, RAPE, OVER-COOKED MACARONI AND CHEESE, MORE RAPE, CHEESE RAPE, ASIAN RAPE, OLD JEWS COMPLAINING ABOUT PRICE CHANGES, SMELLY RUSSIANS, MORE HALOCAUST, THE MORMON PLAGUE, MEGAN FOX STILL NOT SHUTTING UP, IPHONES CRASHING, WINDOWS V7 EXISTING, AND MORE PINK BERRIES OPENING UP.

    PLEASE DON'T BE HOMOPHOBIC.
  • Barricade

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    Nov 06, 2009 10:37 PM GMT
    On a serious note. The ads need to be more realistic and not so "idealistic" everybody has experienced bigotry some more than others obviously. As a minority we are judged by our color reguarly. Why would another minority condemn another person ? The ads should speak to people on that human level, shock isn't needed. Like in the movie A Time to Kill when Matthew McConaughey is telling that story to the courtroom about a little girl being hurt and then..tells everyone to imagine it was a little black girl. I love that scene. Just like fear mongering works, so does putting a human face to things so people can make a personal connection. I dunno. Maybe I'm wrong.
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    Nov 06, 2009 11:06 PM GMT
    I contributed to this campaign, twice. I don't even live in Maine, but I considered this another watershed election. I hate to admit it, but in my current cognitive psych class, we've learned that negative emotions are more memorable than positive ones...
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    Nov 07, 2009 1:42 AM GMT
    OHHH. Did you guys hear the babies in the background?
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    On a far more superficial note...
    Did any of you guys notice how the anti-marriage equality commercials for maine have--- not so attractive hosts, unlike california's.... and are mostly women?
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    Nov 07, 2009 3:01 AM GMT
    The problem is the abuse of the initiative and referendum process at the state level. If it weren't for Federal law we would have slavery in the United States today. That is just how bigoted we are.

    The right perceives this as an issue of national strategic importance with tactical battles to be won at the state level. Gay rights and abortion are the centerpieces of the strategy. When an entire movement is tied to just a couple of social issues we really don't have a chance of winning in an open referendum. No amount of advertising, clever as it may be, is going to change anything.

    We have no national strategy whatsoever. All we are doing is dissipating resources and energy in campaigns waged state by state.

    The only way this issue is ever going to be resolved is through a test of the full faith and credit clause of the United States Constitution tried before the Supreme Court. Change also requires the passage of ENDA and the repeal of DOMA.

    Until these things happen we are wasting our money and our spirit. Until we wake up and create a bona fide national movement then we will continue to lose referenda.