How long can conservatives oppose gay marriage?

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    Nov 06, 2009 9:05 AM GMT





    http://www.theweek.com/bullpen/column/102520/How_long_can_conservatives_oppose_gay_marriage
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    Nov 06, 2009 3:14 PM GMT
    As long as there is breath obviously
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    Nov 06, 2009 3:19 PM GMT
    Untill they somehow acquire a broader view of Life and the world around them. What they don't seem to understand is that Homosexuality is not a new phenomenon, its been part of human activity all through history. at some points it was common and accepted primarily in the military, until the conservatives are educated and accept reality they will continue to let ignorance prevail. We shouldn't hold ours breaths waiting on them that is for sure.
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    Nov 06, 2009 3:25 PM GMT
    When they realize their morals and beliefs need only guide their path in life and not the footsteps of everyone in the entire world. That's when they'll no longer be an opposition.


    Basically, never.




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    Nov 06, 2009 3:26 PM GMT
    Thanks for posting that. Good editorial.

    According to Columbia University political scientists Jeffrey Lax and Justin Phillips, there is a 35 percentage point opinion gap on the issue between those under 30 and those over 65 years. The implications are striking. "If policy were set by state-by-state majorities of those 65 or older, none would allow same-sex marriage," Lax reported in a blog post in June. However, "[i]f policy were set by those under 30, only 12 states would not allow-same-sex marriage."

    I can pretty much picture in my head which 12 states that would be without having to look at the researchers' list.
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    Nov 06, 2009 3:28 PM GMT
    Blondizgd saidAs long as there is breath obviously

    Agreed. Conservatives and right-wing Republicans still hope for a reversal of Black civil rights, and the return of women to the kitchen, and those battles were fought and won generations ago, the era of White male supremacy long gone.

    Operating with Medieval mentalities, Conservatives will oppose gay marriage forever. My greater concern is that they try to recruit others to their cause, and their effectiveness is evidenced by the allegedly gay RJers here who buy into these lies & propaganda, even at their own peril & disadvantage.

    I guess my own failing is the inability to accept that gullibility and misplaced selfish interests plague the gay community as much as the straight. I assume that fellow gays would know better; as I read here every day, many do not. icon_sad.gif
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    Nov 06, 2009 3:31 PM GMT


    When one day some of them sit back and realize they've financially bankrupted themselves with endless ads and campaigns and monetary warchests to prevent something as natural and unpreventable as the tides; equality.

    Someone will come up with all the money spent, in one gigantic figure, and some will likely pass out from the shock.
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    Nov 06, 2009 3:35 PM GMT
    There was a great post at FiveThirtyEight a month or so ago listing the year a model predicts states would approve marriage equality.

    Just like public opinion on interracial marriage, we will win as we bury our opponents.
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    Nov 06, 2009 3:35 PM GMT
    Blondizgd saidAs long as there is breath obviously

    beat me to it.
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    Nov 06, 2009 3:36 PM GMT
    By the year 2040 the population of baby boomers will nearly triple; they will be the biggest demographic in the nation. Must I live my entire life under their majority voting, to simply appease those with the most money??

    It will be an issue as long as the religious right believes it is there duty to create a christian nation. As long as they believe there souls are in peril for not trying to enforce morality it will be an issue. When people are able to conceptualize the inherent dangers of enforcing beliefs on others they will begin to realize the precedent the "gay marriage" issue is setting. I have had some very long conversations with friends and family members about the dangers of doing this, as well as the real job of Government, there role as Christians, the theological implications of connecting God with a governmental institution. Until, we take the time to address it on that level it will always be an issue. I think I should write an effing book on the real definition of conservatism, Christianity, and political activism.
    I do however think there is a great deal of hope. You would not believe how many of my conservative christian friends have told me they support Gay Marriage, even if they do not understand homosexuality. They know a good thing when they see it. Granted that is only my singular experience. Oh, patience, why must I learn about you the hard way.
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    Nov 06, 2009 3:38 PM GMT
    Real, fundamentalist, fanatics, will tell us it's a sin and we should burn in hell for all eternity as they draw their last breath. They still deny evolution icon_eek.gif

    Haven't you ever had a conversation with someone who has been completely programmed by Faux News, when you're talking they shut down> If they aren't interrupting you they are planning what they are going to say, while you're talking.

    That's the problem!! What passes for political discourse these days, is just two people shouting talking points at each other. Our models in "cable entertainment/news" (left and right) seldom consider the validity of the opposing views, they just attach the integrity, intelligence or character of those they disagree with.

    You just can't please everyone, but fortunately you don't need to.icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 06, 2009 3:42 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    When one day some of them sit back and realize they've financially bankrupted themselves with endless ads and campaigns and monetary warchests to prevent something as natural and unpreventable as the tides; equality.

    Someone will come up with all the money spent, in one gigantic figure, and some will likely pass out from the shock.

    I fear you are wrong there, dear friends. The conservative and religious Right has unlimited money in the US, and will never be bankrupted. Their very greed gives them the resources to outspend their opponents, and buy the opinions of others.

    Being former military, trained in weapons, I see money as a weapon. The side with the most money is more likely to win. Greedy, unscrupulous right-wingers will always have more money, because their opponents are not obsessed with money like they are. Therefore, Conservatives will always having the better chance of winning in political contests where money buys the votes. It's a classic case where the Worst Man Wins.
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    Nov 06, 2009 3:42 PM GMT
    baldrick05 saidBy the year 2040 the population of baby boomers will nearly triple; they will be the biggest demographic in the nation. Must I live my entire life under their majority voting, to simply appease those with the most money??


    What?! By the year 2040, almost all of the baby boomers will be dead or in nursing homes. I was born in 1960 and I was at the very tail end of the baby boom.
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    Nov 06, 2009 3:53 PM GMT
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    baldrick05 saidBy the year 2040 the population of baby boomers will nearly triple; they will be the biggest demographic in the nation. Must I live my entire life under their majority voting, to simply appease those with the most money??


    What?! By the year 2040, almost all of the baby boomers will be dead or in nursing homes. I was born in 1960 and I was at the very tail end of the baby boom.


    Ok, they will be old, granted, but they can still vote. The mean age will be 65, perhaps I am just looking at this in a negative stereotypical light. Technically there is not a direct relationship between age and conservatism as its currently defined. So maybe the age of our nation will have nothing to do with it. That was an "ageist" ( i made a word up i think) comment. Apologiesicon_redface.gif
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    Nov 06, 2009 4:00 PM GMT
    Neophoenician said
    baldrick05 saidBy the year 2040 the population of baby boomers will nearly triple; they will be the biggest demographic in the nation. Must I live my entire life under their majority voting, to simply appease those with the most money??


    What?! By the year 2040, almost all of the baby boomers will be dead or in nursing homes. I was born in 1960 and I was at the very tail end of the baby boom.

    Born in 1949, an early Baby Boomer, I will be 91 in 2040. Likely dead, or if still alive, a doddering vegetable (no snide comments, please). Most of my other fellow Baby Boomers will also be dead or demented, unable to have any political influence.

    I don't think the Baby Boomers can triple now, we can only decline, all of us being born, and waiting to die. The hope for gays lies in Gen X, or Gen-something, but less and less in the Baby Boomers.
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    Nov 06, 2009 4:02 PM GMT
    Ok, the use of the term "baby boomer" was just plain wrong. Still, we have an aging population...take the general idea of it , haha.
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    Nov 06, 2009 4:06 PM GMT
    RichmondTrainer saidReal, fundamentalist, fanatics, will tell us it's a sin and we should burn in hell for all eternity as they draw their last breath. They still deny evolution icon_eek.gif

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    Because evolution is crap. But that's another discussion for another day icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 06, 2009 4:12 PM GMT
    theantijock saidGiant_snowball_Oxford.jpg


    Hey! Is that a conservatives foot I see sticking out of the snowball? Not a bad idea
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    Nov 06, 2009 4:22 PM GMT
    This reminds me of a biblical religious pun:

    Q:How long did Cain hate Able?
    A: As long as he was able icon_eek.gif

    The question should really be though, how long will the older, conservative, bigoted people be relevant in this society.
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    Nov 06, 2009 4:24 PM GMT
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    Because evolution is crap. icon_lol.gif


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    Nov 06, 2009 4:59 PM GMT
    Blackguy4you saidBecause evolution is crap. But that's another discussion for another day icon_lol.gif


    How long can conservatives oppose us? So long as the willfully ignorant walk the earth.
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    Nov 06, 2009 5:05 PM GMT
    As a serious student of history, I see many parallels to this issue with the issue of allowing women to vote. This was a VERY heated and divisive debate that started gurgling on the political stove in the last quarter of the 19th Century in the wake of the American Civil War and Reconstruction. But after persistent struggle, and sacrifice on the part of the Suffragettes and their slowly increasing supporters coming from increasingly more mainstream ranks in male society, it was realized. And women were finally allowed to vote in the election of 1920 that brought Warren G. Harding to the White House which ushered in the "Roaring Twenties". To get to that point, there were endless setbacks and many women protesters were ostracized and imprisoned. By the way, similar struggles occurred in Great Britain. We just have to keep going on and on and I do believe the next generation will begin to "get it". Coming out is essential. The more people know us and see us as an integral part of their daily lives and learn to be accustomed to diversity, the sooner this will happen - and possibly in my lifetime!
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    Nov 06, 2009 5:11 PM GMT

    Until HELL freezes over...which will never happen since there isn't one, but a lot of the conservatives are old and their kids hate them too so will reject their bigotry and things are gonna change guys. There have been major strides and what you aren't understanding as that all of this failed marriage legislation is press, is people speaking, and people who may not have listened prior to, listening. The only thing that can overcome learned bigotry is new data so all of the chatter as of late is better than dead silence. We can't be ignored, Dan. icon_lol.gif





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    Nov 06, 2009 5:34 PM GMT
    As long a they believe that they can use fear of gay people to gain more votes than it will cost them.
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    Nov 06, 2009 5:51 PM GMT
    you're over simplifying...

    Conservatives, "Republicans" are not the meat of the issue, perhaps only the most vocal of it (and at least they speak up so you know wo they are)...

    You're implying all other groups support gay equality.
    Plenty of other minorities and democrats do not. Certainly the democrats have proved that they don't have the balls to truly upset the apple cart.

    And even some who might support "gay rights" don't support gay marriage