Shootings: What happened?

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    Nov 06, 2009 9:10 PM GMT
    Every time that I hear about a mass shooting like the one in Ft. Hood yesterday, I wonder what the hell happened. The second Amendment has been around since 1791. In the past twenty years, mass shootings like yesterday (Columbine, etc.) have become more prevalent. What changed in society or in people to make this more common?
  • drypin

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    Nov 06, 2009 9:15 PM GMT
    hmm. change in diet, instable family life, shift in priorities, media focused on fear mongering. I take back the last one... we've probably always had that.
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    Nov 06, 2009 9:45 PM GMT
    Well, Republicans will tell you it's more important that you have a weapon in case some hostile Indians try to enter your window, or those damn British come marching down the road.

    Never mind that thousands are killed every year with firearms, there's this remote possibility that somebody's gonna try to assault you. Never mind that if we had a ban on firearms, your risk in the first place would be greatly reduced. Our guns are like our balls -- hands off!

    We're Americans with a cowboy heritage, so naturally our 6-shooters have to be at our side. Praise Jesus, and pass the ammunition! icon_razz.gif
  • Barricade

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    Nov 06, 2009 9:52 PM GMT
    People are just becoming more unstable I suppose. It's like society is becoming more violent and less shocked by it.
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    Nov 06, 2009 9:59 PM GMT
    One thing to note is that in every single case i have noticed... the shooter is ALWAYS on some sort of anti-depressant.

    not to say anyone who takes these will shoot people, but they do have to come with a warning, "may increase the risk of suicide"... and they get prescribed like candy.

    perhaps it has more to do with the mass drugging and sedation of society rather than the Second Amendment.

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    Nov 06, 2009 10:33 PM GMT
    his name was hasan, he was the on site therapist.. rofl.
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    Nov 06, 2009 11:44 PM GMT
    Have things gotten worse? People seem to feel this, but they don't offer any objective material to support this.
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    Nov 06, 2009 11:48 PM GMT
    "What changed in society or in people to make this more common?"



    Shorter attention spans. In almost every case, these mass murderers do what they do, not just to kill, but bring attention to their issues. MAJ Hasan did what he did because he was frustrated with the fact that he was deploying and despite his public denouncements of war in Iraq/Afghanistan.

    The Columbine High School murderers did what they did to take revenge on the student body for all the internalized torment they went through. They meticulously planned their ugly scene of violence in order to get the nation's attention.
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    Nov 07, 2009 12:39 AM GMT
    Evil

    Lunacy

    Selfishness

    Weakness

    And the fall of society.. It goes down the crapper more and more each day lol.

    I have bad days, and my bad days are real bad. I've been dealing with some serious PTSD, the death of my father, economic troubles, friend's who've left me because they were afraid of the whole PTSD thing, and thinking about friend's who've died in front of me, not to mention serious depression.

    I didn't, don't, and won't go out shooting people, and I won't because I'm stronger than that. Other guys I know some of which I've met on here who've been dealing with it, haven't gone around killing innocent people either.

    Some people just can't deal with it, or don't try to get the help they need. I know Muslim men who served over there, so his faith is no excuse. If it were an issue he should have never joined the military in the first place.

    I wish these people who do these things.. If they truly feel the need to take life to get attention, I wish they'd just take their own in front of everyone. Instead of ruining the lives of people who've got nothing to do with their problems.

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    Nov 07, 2009 12:45 AM GMT
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    Why is there all this nonsensical discussions whenever there's a mass shooting? Who really cares?

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    Nov 07, 2009 12:50 AM GMT
    Blondizgd saidNext

    Why is there all this nonsensical discussions whenever there's a mass shooting? Who really cares?




    No one forced you upon this thread. I think the victims and their families care. I think decent people, in general, care. What's your deal?
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    Nov 07, 2009 12:56 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    Blondizgd saidNext

    Why is there all this nonsensical discussions whenever there's a mass shooting? Who really cares?




    No one forced you upon this thread. I think the victims and their families care. I think decent people, in general, care. What's your deal?


    My deal is what does expressing oh I'm so sorry to hear really does? What does it solve? Do you get some sort of vicarious thrill because you can express some superficial sorrow from afar? Is that it?

    It's like you are picking over the dead bones

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    Nov 07, 2009 1:00 AM GMT
    Well, for me being in the military, I was stunned. I'm still waiting to find out who was killed and wounded. I might actually know one of them or have served in the same unit.


    You have some real issues. Maybe you need to be reported....
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    Nov 07, 2009 1:03 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidWell, Republicans will tell you it's more important that you have a weapon in case some hostile Indians try to enter your window, or those damn British come marching down the road.

    Never mind that thousands are killed every year with firearms, there's this remote possibility that somebody's gonna try to assault you. Never mind that if we had a ban on firearms, your risk in the first place would be greatly reduced. Our guns are like our balls -- hands off!

    We're Americans with a cowboy heritage, so naturally our 6-shooters have to be at our side. Praise Jesus, and pass the ammunition! icon_razz.gif


    Wow! Once again you missed the boat ! This had nothing to do with republicans or gun control, but leave it to an ideologue like you to bring them into this. The problem at ft Hood was an act of domestic terrorism committed by a muslim, who, over time, became more agitated by the war in the middle east and even called for muslims to unite aginst the US. This while having benifited from an education provided by the army at tax payers expense and having joined a volunteer army. Wow! Nothing about rupublicans or democrats in that simple explaination!
    As for the shootings in Orlando, the guy lost his job 2 yrs ago and let it eat at him until he snapped. What ever happend to just being crazy? Crazy knows no political party.
    And just to call your attention to the gun control issue. There are plenty of statistics that show, while crime is on the decline in the US, crime (including violent crimes) are on the rise in countries such as England, Australia and Canada where strict gun control laws are in place. Many of the statistics even correlate the rise in crime with the ban of firearms. Long live the American cowboy!
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    Nov 07, 2009 1:06 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidThe shooter was against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. One of his cousin told the reporter that the shooter was harassed by his army colleagues because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity.

    I don't blame him for shooting at the soldiers. They deserve what they done to people in the Middle East.




    It's one thing to disagree with the policy, but what specifically did each of these victims do to "deserve" this? Your attitude is appalling. I won't even bother trying to convince you otherwise. Your ignorance to this degree should disqualify you from this community.
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    Nov 07, 2009 1:24 AM GMT
    coolarmydude saidWell, for me being in the military, I was stunned. I'm still waiting to find out who was killed and wounded. I might actually know one of them or have served in the same unit.


    You have some real issues. Maybe you need to be reported....


    Feel free to report. If it will make you feel better, it's the least that I can do to help someone who obviously cannot cope.
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    Nov 07, 2009 1:34 AM GMT
    the true intentions of the US in the middle east arent clear to anyone.. after 10 years they really need to get the fuck out and focus on problems here.. what is the reformation of the government in afuckinganistan going to do to help the US economy as it slides down the drain? not shit, and that excuse has long expired.

    the fort hood shootings just represent how fucking stupid our military and their goals are... they arent getting anyone anywhere and havent since higher ups in our government blew up our trade towers to scare congress in to passing the patriot act..

    im getting the fuck out of this shit hole as soon as my career is lined up, fuck the american 'democracy', and the media it dumbs down our citizens with, has anyone watched goodmorning america lately? mainstream tv is such bullshit.. i could go on forever

    look up HAARP, FEMA, Martial Law.. were going to get fucked sooner or later, well be cattle of the government when the economy tanks
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    Nov 07, 2009 1:36 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair saidThe shooter was against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. One of his cousin told the reporter that the shooter was harassed by his army colleagues because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity.

    I don't blame him for shooting at the soldiers. They deserve what they done to people in the Middle East.


    I agree with armydude

    No its not cool, what that guy did was evil I know people over there too.

    Him being harassed by some of the soldiers there though wrong, is no excuse for him to do what he did, because I'm sure he killed people who had nothing to do with his harassment.

    When I was in Iraq, I've seen the enemy do some pretty horrible things to the people of Iraq. They then would try to blame us for it. You can disagree with the war, but nobody deserved to die and that should not even be said.

    I guess you'd feel I'd deserve it, if I were killed.
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    Nov 07, 2009 1:37 AM GMT
    lifted saidthe true intentions of the US in the middle east arent clear to anyone.. after 10 years they really need to get the fuck out and focus on problems here.. what is the reformation of the government in afuckinganistan going to do to help the US economy as it slides down the drain? not shit, and that excuse has long expired.

    the fort hood shootings just represent how fucking stupid our military and their goals are... they arent getting anyone anywhere and havent since higher ups in our government blew up our trade towers to scare congress in to passing the patriot act..

    im getting the fuck out of this shit hole as soon as my career is lined up, fuck the american 'democracy', and the media it dumbs down our citizens with, has anyone watched goodmorning america lately? mainstream tv is such bullshit.. i could go on forever

    look up HAARP, FEMA, Martial Law.. were going to get fucked sooner or later, well be cattle of the government when the economy tanks


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    Nov 07, 2009 1:48 AM GMT
    Shootings: What happened?

    What happened is very clear. This Muslim was shouting "Allah akkbar" (God is great) as he shot & killed American soldiers. Islamic terrorism returns to the US.

    Let us just expel all Muslims from US military service, Their allegiance is clearly not with our country, but with islam. We don't want traitors wearing the uniform of our country.
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    Nov 07, 2009 1:52 AM GMT
    sxydrkhair said
    coolarmydude said
    sxydrkhair saidThe shooter was against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. One of his cousin told the reporter that the shooter was harassed by his army colleagues because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity.

    I don't blame him for shooting at the soldiers. They deserve what they done to people in the Middle East.




    It's one thing to disagree with the policy, but what specifically did each of these victims do to "deserve" this? Your attitude is appalling. I won't even bother trying to convince you otherwise. Your ignorance to this degree should disqualify you from this community.


    So you dont care if you were harassed by your soldiers because you are whatever ethnicity? soldiers that support war crime in Iraq don't deserve this? At least he wasn't shooting at people who are not soldiers.


    First of all this was a major, not a grunt. It's highly unlikely that too many people were harassing him. Second, I don't think that he was harassed because of his ethnicity, but because of some of the things he said which one might conclude are unamerican in a time of war.Thirdif it happened why wasn't it reported there chanels for such things. Fourth the guy didn't have a gun at his back making him join the army which educated him and allowed him to pull down a 6 figure income annually at Walter Reed. I think that many of the people in Iraq would support the "war crime" you suggest, mayby you should ask the Kurds. Just for the record German Americans went to war aginst Germany. Japanese Americans went to war aginst Japan. When you join the military you are an american first and you go where you are sent and you fight, as an American. That you can be so callous about a coward who kills a pregnant woman and a 19 yr old boy, among others, is appalling.
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    Nov 07, 2009 1:57 AM GMT
    Balljunkie saidEvery time that I hear about a mass shooting like the one in Ft. Hood yesterday, I wonder what the hell happened. The second Amendment has been around since 1791. In the past twenty years, mass shootings like yesterday (Columbine, etc.) have become more prevalent. What changed in society or in people to make this more common?


    Why does there have to be someone to blame....

    The kids ate too many twinkies or they played too many video games, or listened to rock music, watched the exorcist, had a thing for black, didn't take his daily palm full of meds, or mommy and daddy didn't pay enough attention, or he had braces and was teased in the 4th grade

    The truth was...

    One sociopathic guy, had far too easy access to weapons and the rest is history. it hard to accept that humans are capable of that, but were all instinctual animals
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    Nov 07, 2009 2:15 AM GMT
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    sxydrkhair saidThe shooter was against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. One of his cousin told the reporter that the shooter was harassed by his army colleagues because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity.

    I don't blame him for shooting at the soldiers. They deserve what they done to people in the Middle East.


    I agree with armydude

    No its not cool, what that guy did was evil I know people over there too.

    Him being harassed by some of the soldiers there though wrong, is no excuse for him to do what he did, because I'm sure he killed people who had nothing to do with his harassment.

    When I was in Iraq, I've seen the enemy do some pretty horrible things to the people of Iraq. They then would try to blame us for it. You can disagree with the war, but nobody deserved to die and that should not even be said.

    I guess you'd feel I'd deserve it, if I were killed.


    Don't agree... sorry I have my opinion. I don't like what our government are doing to Afghanistan and Iraq. It was a big mistake that our troops go to war in Iraq. And any soldiers that support war crimes against civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan should be punish. I don't care if they are killing terrorists over there, but not poor civilians.

    "U.S. soldiers have killed or wounded 429 Iraqi civilians at checkpoints". You think that soldiers that support this don't deserve to die?
    - source: mcclatchydc.com
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sxydrkhair -- What were you thinking when you said the soldiers killed deserved it down at FT HOOD. My god, those young soldiers have nothing to do with decisions about this war, or the way its waged, so they don't deserve any harm done to them, much less death. Please rethink such statements so you don't unecessarily make enemies.
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    Nov 07, 2009 2:19 AM GMT
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    sxydrkhair saidThe shooter was against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. One of his cousin told the reporter that the shooter was harassed by his army colleagues because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity.

    I don't blame him for shooting at the soldiers. They deserve what they done to people in the Middle East.


    I agree with armydude

    No its not cool, what that guy did was evil I know people over there too.

    Him being harassed by some of the soldiers there though wrong, is no excuse for him to do what he did, because I'm sure he killed people who had nothing to do with his harassment.

    When I was in Iraq, I've seen the enemy do some pretty horrible things to the people of Iraq. They then would try to blame us for it. You can disagree with the war, but nobody deserved to die and that should not even be said.

    I guess you'd feel I'd deserve it, if I were killed.


    Don't agree... sorry I have my opinion. I don't like what our government are doing to Afghanistan and Iraq. It was a big mistake that our troops go to war in Iraq. And any soldiers that support war crimes against civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan should be punish. I don't care if they are killing terrorists over there, but not poor civilians.

    "U.S. soldiers have killed or wounded 429 Iraqi civilians at checkpoints". You think that soldiers that support this don't deserve to die?
    - source: mcclatchydc.com


    Its ok if you disagree with the war, and don't feel we need to be there. There are men and women I've served with who feel the same. It is NOT ok to say anyone who had their lives taken by that terrorist, deserved it.. That is just absolutely disgusting.

    Do not come to me with the "U.S soldiers have killed or wounded X amount of Iraqi civilians" bullshit. NO solder went into that country gleefully killing innocent civilians... I'm sure you may believe that kind of shit off Al Jazeera, but that is not what I was doing over there, nor anyone else I served with.

    War is hell and I've seen innocent civilians get caught up in war, I've helped take care of injured people. I've also seen the enemy use innocent people as shields, or kill innocent people who refused to help them..mutilated them.. What about those war crimes? I don't want to hear any of that bullshit. What you said and what you think makes you just as much as a monster as the ones I've seen overseas, and the one who did what he did yesterday.


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    Nov 07, 2009 2:31 AM GMT


    To mock the sorrow or grief of another is terrible,

    'So make sure when you say you're in it, but not of it
    You're not helpin' to make this earth
    A place sometimes called hell
    Change your words into truths
    And then change that truth into love
    And maybe our children's grandchildren
    And their great grandchildren will tell'

    -Stevie Wonder


    Our hats are sorrowfully off to those shot, and their families and loved ones.


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