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Every time that I hear about a mass shooting like the one in Ft. Hood yesterday, I wonder what the hell happened. The second Amendment has been around since 1791. In the past twenty years, mass shootings like yesterday (Columbine, etc.) have become more prevalent. What changed in society or in people to make this more common?

hmm. change in diet, instable family life, shift in priorities, media focused on fear mongering. I take back the last one... we've probably always had that.

Well, Republicans will tell you it's more important that you have a weapon in case some hostile Indians try to enter your window, or those damn British come marching down the road.

Never mind that thousands are killed every year with firearms, there's this remote possibility that somebody's gonna try to assault you. Never mind that if we had a ban on firearms, your risk in the first place would be greatly reduced. Our guns are like our balls -- hands off!

We're Americans with a cowboy heritage, so naturally our 6-shooters have to be at our side. Praise Jesus, and pass the ammunition!

People are just becoming more unstable I suppose. It's like society is becoming more violent and less shocked by it.

One thing to note is that in every single case i have noticed... the shooter is ALWAYS on some sort of anti-depressant.

not to say anyone who takes these will shoot people, but they do have to come with a warning, "may increase the risk of suicide"... and they get prescribed like candy.

perhaps it has more to do with the mass drugging and sedation of society rather than the Second Amendment.

his name was hasan, he was the on site therapist.. rofl.

Have things gotten worse? People seem to feel this, but they don't offer any objective material to support this.

"What changed in society or in people to make this more common?"



Shorter attention spans. In almost every case, these mass murderers do what they do, not just to kill, but bring attention to their issues. MAJ Hasan did what he did because he was frustrated with the fact that he was deploying and despite his public denouncements of war in Iraq/Afghanistan.

The Columbine High School murderers did what they did to take revenge on the student body for all the internalized torment they went through. They meticulously planned their ugly scene of violence in order to get the nation's attention.

Evil

Lunacy

Selfishness

Weakness

And the fall of society.. It goes down the crapper more and more each day lol.

I have bad days, and my bad days are real bad. I've been dealing with some serious PTSD, the death of my father, economic troubles, friend's who've left me because they were afraid of the whole PTSD thing, and thinking about friend's who've died in front of me, not to mention serious depression.

I didn't, don't, and won't go out shooting people, and I won't because I'm stronger than that. Other guys I know some of which I've met on here who've been dealing with it, haven't gone around killing innocent people either.

Some people just can't deal with it, or don't try to get the help they need. I know Muslim men who served over there, so his faith is no excuse. If it were an issue he should have never joined the military in the first place.

I wish these people who do these things.. If they truly feel the need to take life to get attention, I wish they'd just take their own in front of everyone. Instead of ruining the lives of people who've got nothing to do with their problems.

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Why is there all this nonsensical discussions whenever there's a mass shooting? Who really cares?

Blondizgd saidNext

Why is there all this nonsensical discussions whenever there's a mass shooting? Who really cares?

No one forced you upon this thread. I think the victims and their families care. I think decent people, in general, care. What's your deal?

coolarmydude said

Blondizgd saidNext

Why is there all this nonsensical discussions whenever there's a mass shooting? Who really cares?

No one forced you upon this thread. I think the victims and their families care. I think decent people, in general, care. What's your deal?

My deal is what does expressing oh I'm so sorry to hear really does? What does it solve? Do you get some sort of vicarious thrill because you can express some superficial sorrow from afar? Is that it?

It's like you are picking over the dead bones

Well, for me being in the military, I was stunned. I'm still waiting to find out who was killed and wounded. I might actually know one of them or have served in the same unit.


You have some real issues. Maybe you need to be reported....

The shooter was against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. One of his cousin told the reporter that the shooter was harassed by his army colleagues because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity.

I don't blame him for shooting at the soldiers. They deserve what they done to people in the Middle East.

Red_Vespa saidWell, Republicans will tell you it's more important that you have a weapon in case some hostile Indians try to enter your window, or those damn British come marching down the road.

Never mind that thousands are killed every year with firearms, there's this remote possibility that somebody's gonna try to assault you. Never mind that if we had a ban on firearms, your risk in the first place would be greatly reduced. Our guns are like our balls -- hands off!

We're Americans with a cowboy heritage, so naturally our 6-shooters have to be at our side. Praise Jesus, and pass the ammunition!

Wow! Once again you missed the boat ! This had nothing to do with republicans or gun control, but leave it to an ideologue like you to bring them into this. The problem at ft Hood was an act of domestic terrorism committed by a muslim, who, over time, became more agitated by the war in the middle east and even called for muslims to unite aginst the US. This while having benifited from an education provided by the army at tax payers expense and having joined a volunteer army. Wow! Nothing about rupublicans or democrats in that simple explaination!
As for the shootings in Orlando, the guy lost his job 2 yrs ago and let it eat at him until he snapped. What ever happend to just being crazy? Crazy knows no political party.
And just to call your attention to the gun control issue. There are plenty of statistics that show, while crime is on the decline in the US, crime (including violent crimes) are on the rise in countries such as England, Australia and Canada where strict gun control laws are in place. Many of the statistics even correlate the rise in crime with the ban of firearms. Long live the American cowboy!

sxydrkhair saidThe shooter was against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. One of his cousin told the reporter that the shooter was harassed by his army colleagues because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity.

I don't blame him for shooting at the soldiers. They deserve what they done to people in the Middle East.

It's one thing to disagree with the policy, but what specifically did each of these victims do to "deserve" this? Your attitude is appalling. I won't even bother trying to convince you otherwise. Your ignorance to this degree should disqualify you from this community.

coolarmydude saidWell, for me being in the military, I was stunned. I'm still waiting to find out who was killed and wounded. I might actually know one of them or have served in the same unit.


You have some real issues. Maybe you need to be reported....

Feel free to report. If it will make you feel better, it's the least that I can do to help someone who obviously cannot cope.

coolarmydude said

sxydrkhair saidThe shooter was against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. One of his cousin told the reporter that the shooter was harassed by his army colleagues because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity.

I don't blame him for shooting at the soldiers. They deserve what they done to people in the Middle East.

It's one thing to disagree with the policy, but what specifically did each of these victims do to "deserve" this? Your attitude is appalling. I won't even bother trying to convince you otherwise. Your ignorance to this degree should disqualify you from this community.

So you dont care if you were harassed by your soldiers because you are whatever ethnicity? soldiers that support war crime in Iraq don't deserve this? At least he wasn't shooting at people who are not soldiers.

the true intentions of the US in the middle east arent clear to anyone.. after 10 years they really need to get the fuck out and focus on problems here.. what is the reformation of the government in afuckinganistan going to do to help the US economy as it slides down the drain? not shit, and that excuse has long expired.

the fort hood shootings just represent how fucking stupid our military and their goals are... they arent getting anyone anywhere and havent since higher ups in our government blew up our trade towers to scare congress in to passing the patriot act..

im getting the fuck out of this shit hole as soon as my career is lined up, fuck the american 'democracy', and the media it dumbs down our citizens with, has anyone watched goodmorning america lately? mainstream tv is such bullshit.. i could go on forever

look up HAARP, FEMA, Martial Law.. were going to get fucked sooner or later, well be cattle of the government when the economy tanks

sxydrkhair saidThe shooter was against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. One of his cousin told the reporter that the shooter was harassed by his army colleagues because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity.

I don't blame him for shooting at the soldiers. They deserve what they done to people in the Middle East.

I agree with armydude

No its not cool, what that guy did was evil I know people over there too.

Him being harassed by some of the soldiers there though wrong, is no excuse for him to do what he did, because I'm sure he killed people who had nothing to do with his harassment.

When I was in Iraq, I've seen the enemy do some pretty horrible things to the people of Iraq. They then would try to blame us for it. You can disagree with the war, but nobody deserved to die and that should not even be said.

I guess you'd feel I'd deserve it, if I were killed.

lifted saidthe true intentions of the US in the middle east arent clear to anyone.. after 10 years they really need to get the fuck out and focus on problems here.. what is the reformation of the government in afuckinganistan going to do to help the US economy as it slides down the drain? not shit, and that excuse has long expired.

the fort hood shootings just represent how fucking stupid our military and their goals are... they arent getting anyone anywhere and havent since higher ups in our government blew up our trade towers to scare congress in to passing the patriot act..

im getting the fuck out of this shit hole as soon as my career is lined up, fuck the american 'democracy', and the media it dumbs down our citizens with, has anyone watched goodmorning america lately? mainstream tv is such bullshit.. i could go on forever

look up HAARP, FEMA, Martial Law.. were going to get fucked sooner or later, well be cattle of the government when the economy tanks

shhhhh not so loud- someone may report you

Shootings: What happened?

What happened is very clear. This Muslim was shouting "Allah akkbar" (God is great) as he shot & killed American soldiers. Islamic terrorism returns to the US.

Let us just expel all Muslims from US military service, Their allegiance is clearly not with our country, but with islam. We don't want traitors wearing the uniform of our country.

sxydrkhair said

coolarmydude said

sxydrkhair saidThe shooter was against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. One of his cousin told the reporter that the shooter was harassed by his army colleagues because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity.

I don't blame him for shooting at the soldiers. They deserve what they done to people in the Middle East.

It's one thing to disagree with the policy, but what specifically did each of these victims do to "deserve" this? Your attitude is appalling. I won't even bother trying to convince you otherwise. Your ignorance to this degree should disqualify you from this community.

So you dont care if you were harassed by your soldiers because you are whatever ethnicity? soldiers that support war crime in Iraq don't deserve this? At least he wasn't shooting at people who are not soldiers.

First of all this was a major, not a grunt. It's highly unlikely that too many people were harassing him. Second, I don't think that he was harassed because of his ethnicity, but because of some of the things he said which one might conclude are unamerican in a time of war.Thirdif it happened why wasn't it reported there chanels for such things. Fourth the guy didn't have a gun at his back making him join the army which educated him and allowed him to pull down a 6 figure income annually at Walter Reed. I think that many of the people in Iraq would support the "war crime" you suggest, mayby you should ask the Kurds. Just for the record German Americans went to war aginst Germany. Japanese Americans went to war aginst Japan. When you join the military you are an american first and you go where you are sent and you fight, as an American. That you can be so callous about a coward who kills a pregnant woman and a 19 yr old boy, among others, is appalling.

Balljunkie saidEvery time that I hear about a mass shooting like the one in Ft. Hood yesterday, I wonder what the hell happened. The second Amendment has been around since 1791. In the past twenty years, mass shootings like yesterday (Columbine, etc.) have become more prevalent. What changed in society or in people to make this more common?

Why does there have to be someone to blame....

The kids ate too many twinkies or they played too many video games, or listened to rock music, watched the exorcist, had a thing for black, didn't take his daily palm full of meds, or mommy and daddy didn't pay enough attention, or he had braces and was teased in the 4th grade

The truth was...

One sociopathic guy, had far too easy access to weapons and the rest is history. it hard to accept that humans are capable of that, but were all instinctual animals

IHG84 said

sxydrkhair saidThe shooter was against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. One of his cousin told the reporter that the shooter was harassed by his army colleagues because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity.

I don't blame him for shooting at the soldiers. They deserve what they done to people in the Middle East.

I agree with armydude

No its not cool, what that guy did was evil I know people over there too.

Him being harassed by some of the soldiers there though wrong, is no excuse for him to do what he did, because I'm sure he killed people who had nothing to do with his harassment.

When I was in Iraq, I've seen the enemy do some pretty horrible things to the people of Iraq. They then would try to blame us for it. You can disagree with the war, but nobody deserved to die and that should not even be said.

I guess you'd feel I'd deserve it, if I were killed.

Don't agree... sorry I have my opinion. I don't like what our government are doing to Afghanistan and Iraq. It was a big mistake that our troops go to war in Iraq. And any soldiers that support war crimes against civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan should be punish. I don't care if they are killing terrorists over there, but not poor civilians.

"U.S. soldiers have killed or wounded 429 Iraqi civilians at checkpoints". You think that soldiers that support this don't deserve to die?
- source: mcclatchydc.com

This is not the first time this happen. U.S. Soldier kills 5 of his comrades in Iraq. - source: nytimes

sxydrkhair said

IHG84 said

sxydrkhair saidThe shooter was against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. One of his cousin told the reporter that the shooter was harassed by his army colleagues because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity.

I don't blame him for shooting at the soldiers. They deserve what they done to people in the Middle East.

I agree with armydude

No its not cool, what that guy did was evil I know people over there too.

Him being harassed by some of the soldiers there though wrong, is no excuse for him to do what he did, because I'm sure he killed people who had nothing to do with his harassment.

When I was in Iraq, I've seen the enemy do some pretty horrible things to the people of Iraq. They then would try to blame us for it. You can disagree with the war, but nobody deserved to die and that should not even be said.

I guess you'd feel I'd deserve it, if I were killed.

Don't agree... sorry I have my opinion. I don't like what our government are doing to Afghanistan and Iraq. It was a big mistake that our troops go to war in Iraq. And any soldiers that support war crimes against civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan should be punish. I don't care if they are killing terrorists over there, but not poor civilians.

"U.S. soldiers have killed or wounded 429 Iraqi civilians at checkpoints". You think that soldiers that support this don't deserve to die?
- source: mcclatchydc.com

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sxydrkhair -- What were you thinking when you said the soldiers killed deserved it down at FT HOOD. My god, those young soldiers have nothing to do with decisions about this war, or the way its waged, so they don't deserve any harm done to them, much less death. Please rethink such statements so you don't unecessarily make enemies.

sxydrkhair said

IHG84 said

sxydrkhair saidThe shooter was against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. One of his cousin told the reporter that the shooter was harassed by his army colleagues because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity.

I don't blame him for shooting at the soldiers. They deserve what they done to people in the Middle East.

I agree with armydude

No its not cool, what that guy did was evil I know people over there too.

Him being harassed by some of the soldiers there though wrong, is no excuse for him to do what he did, because I'm sure he killed people who had nothing to do with his harassment.

When I was in Iraq, I've seen the enemy do some pretty horrible things to the people of Iraq. They then would try to blame us for it. You can disagree with the war, but nobody deserved to die and that should not even be said.

I guess you'd feel I'd deserve it, if I were killed.

Don't agree... sorry I have my opinion. I don't like what our government are doing to Afghanistan and Iraq. It was a big mistake that our troops go to war in Iraq. And any soldiers that support war crimes against civilians in Iraq or Afghanistan should be punish. I don't care if they are killing terrorists over there, but not poor civilians.

"U.S. soldiers have killed or wounded 429 Iraqi civilians at checkpoints". You think that soldiers that support this don't deserve to die?
- source: mcclatchydc.com

Its ok if you disagree with the war, and don't feel we need to be there. There are men and women I've served with who feel the same. It is NOT ok to say anyone who had their lives taken by that terrorist, deserved it.. That is just absolutely disgusting.

Do not come to me with the "U.S soldiers have killed or wounded X amount of Iraqi civilians" bullshit. NO solder went into that country gleefully killing innocent civilians... I'm sure you may believe that kind of shit off Al Jazeera, but that is not what I was doing over there, nor anyone else I served with.

War is hell and I've seen innocent civilians get caught up in war, I've helped take care of injured people. I've also seen the enemy use innocent people as shields, or kill innocent people who refused to help them..mutilated them.. What about those war crimes? I don't want to hear any of that bullshit. What you said and what you think makes you just as much as a monster as the ones I've seen overseas, and the one who did what he did yesterday.

To mock the sorrow or grief of another is terrible,

'So make sure when you say you're in it, but not of it
You're not helpin' to make this earth
A place sometimes called hell
Change your words into truths
And then change that truth into love
And maybe our children's grandchildren
And their great grandchildren will tell'

-Stevie Wonder


Our hats are sorrowfully off to those shot, and their families and loved ones.


-Unicorns

IHG84... You are right... I apology, I shouldn't look at U.S. soldiers as a whole. Not all U.S. soldiers are the same. I was reading the wrong article.

shybuffguy said

Red_Vespa saidWell, Republicans will tell you it's more important that you have a weapon in case some hostile Indians try to enter your window, or those damn British come marching down the road.

Never mind that thousands are killed every year with firearms, there's this remote possibility that somebody's gonna try to assault you. Never mind that if we had a ban on firearms, your risk in the first place would be greatly reduced. Our guns are like our balls -- hands off!

We're Americans with a cowboy heritage, so naturally our 6-shooters have to be at our side. Praise Jesus, and pass the ammunition!

Wow! Once again you missed the boat ! This had nothing to do with republicans or gun control, but leave it to an ideologue like you to bring them into this.

OH PLEASE!!!! That is disingenuous at best. Every single time one of these shootings happens, the NRA and its spokesdouches Charlton Heston, Chuck Norris, Ted Nugent and company are instantly all over the media saying that "If other people had been armed, this wouldn't have happened because somebody could have stopped him." That is the stock answer the anti-gun-control crowd ALWAYS gives. Some nutcase shoots up an aerobics class in a Pittsburgh gym - "that wouldn't have happened if the people in the aerobics class had been armed." Another nutcase shoots up a church in Tennessee - "that wouldn't have happened if the parishioners had been carrying their guns in church." Two other nutcases shoot up classes at universities in Illinois and Viriginia - "that wouldn't have happened if the students had been packing heat in class." Another nutcase massacres an Amish schoolhouse - "that wouldn't have happened if those Amish had guns." and on and on and on ad nauseum

Now a nutcase or a terrorist, whatever he may be, goes and commits a mass murder on an Army base!!!!!! Where in the world are you going to find more people carrying guns than on an army base?! At the very least, after this, you guys need to find some other cliché stock response to the mass murders, because it clearly just doesn't hold water anymore.

Neophoenician said

shybuffguy said

Red_Vespa saidWell, Republicans will tell you it's more important that you have a weapon in case some hostile Indians try to enter your window, or those damn British come marching down the road.

Never mind that thousands are killed every year with firearms, there's this remote possibility that somebody's gonna try to assault you. Never mind that if we had a ban on firearms, your risk in the first place would be greatly reduced. Our guns are like our balls -- hands off!

We're Americans with a cowboy heritage, so naturally our 6-shooters have to be at our side. Praise Jesus, and pass the ammunition!

Wow! Once again you missed the boat ! This had nothing to do with republicans or gun control, but leave it to an ideologue like you to bring them into this.

OH PLEASE!!!! That is disingenuous at best. Every single time one of these shootings happens, the NRA and its spokesdouches Charlton Heston, Chuck Norris, Ted Nugent and company are instantly all over the media saying that "If other people had been armed, this wouldn't have happened because somebody could have stopped him." That is the stock answer the anti-gun-control crowd ALWAYS gives. Some nutcase shoots up an aerobics class in a Pittsburgh gym - "that wouldn't have happened if the people in the aerobics class had been armed." Another nutcase shoots up a church in Tennessee - "that wouldn't have happened if the parishioners had been carrying their guns in church." Two other nutcases shoot up classes at universities in Illinois and Viriginia - "that wouldn't have happened if the students had been packing heat in class." Another nutcase massacres an Amish schoolhouse - "that wouldn't have happened if those Amish had guns." and on and on and on ad nauseum

Now a nutcase or a terrorist, whatever he may be, goes and commits a mass murder on an Army base!!!!!! Where in the world are you going to find more people carrying guns than on an army base?! At the very least, after this, you guys need to find some other cliché stock response to the mass murders, because it clearly just doesn't hold water anymore.

And how was the this nut subdued? Oh that's right by a female police officer WITH A GUN. How many MORE people would have died had there been nobody with a firearm around?

cbicm79 said

And how was the this nut subdued? Oh that's right by a female police officer WITH A GUN. How many MORE people would have died had there been nobody with a firearm around?

How many people would still be alive if none of those nutcases had ever gotten a hold of a gun, including the two in the engineering office in Orlando today?

I work in an engineering firm. Am I supposed to carry a gun every time I go to review structural reports? Should I stop by the ammo store as well as Starbucks on my way to work every day?

Neophoenician said

cbicm79 said

And how was the this nut subdued? Oh that's right by a female police officer WITH A GUN. How many MORE people would have died had there been nobody with a firearm around?

How many people would still be alive if none of those nutcases had ever gotten a hold of a gun, including the two in the engineering office in Orlando today?

I work in an engineering firm. Am I supposed to carry a gun every time I go to review structural reports? Should I stop by the ammo store as well as Starbucks on my way to work every day?

Supporters of gun control argue that only police and military should have access to guns, so regardless I'm sure a military officer would have ready access to a firearm and it would have made little difference at Ft. Hood.

Are you going to honestly tell me that a person who is crazy enough to go and shoot up an office he hadn't worked at in two years is going to obey laws restricting firearms? Get real. Criminals have no regard for the law and if motivated will find a way to commit their crimes.

You can carry a gun anywhere you like as far as I'm concerned.

cbicm79 said
Supporters of gun control argue that only police and military should have access to guns, so regardless I'm sure a military officer would have ready access to a firearm and it would have made little difference at Ft. Hood.

Are you going to honestly tell me that a person who is crazy enough to go and shoot up an office he hadn't worked at in two years is going to obey laws restricting firearms? Get real. Criminals have no regard for the law and if motivated will find a way to commit their crimes.

You can carry a gun anywhere you like as far as I'm concerned.

I don't want to carry a gun anywhere.

And I don't think anybody should have to carry guns to church, to an aerobics class, to an engineering firm, to an Amish schoolhouse, to a theater class, to go to citizenship/naturalization classes, to the supermarket or the post office or anywhere. And I don't think anybody has any legitimate reason to take a gun to any of those places.

Balljunkie saidEvery time that I hear about a mass shooting like the one in Ft. Hood yesterday, I wonder what the hell happened. The second Amendment has been around since 1791. In the past twenty years, mass shootings like yesterday (Columbine, etc.) have become more prevalent. What changed in society or in people to make this more common?

I think it's got a lot to do with globalization and the shift of focus from community to consumerism.

People no longer see themselves as belonging... they are anonymous, aware of just how small and insignificant they are (and therefore all humans are). They are no longer accountable to their neighbors. In order to stand out, in order to MEAN something, they must go to an extreme. The transition to globalization has also brought cultural clashes on a widespread basis. A hundred years ago, we wouldn't really know about or care what was happening half way around the world (unless of course it directly involved us... but that was a lot harder standard to reach back then because of how slow news and people traveled).

People seek their validation and self-worth in material goods and immediate gratification. This mentality has left many people without a consciousness. Consumerism in its rampart form has destroyed altruism and cooperation. It's produced a disharmonious, disconnected society more attached to possessions rather than to other human beings.

My two cents.

Don't worry cbicm79, nobody is going to ever take your guns away. The NRA is the biggest wealthiest lobby around, has been forever, and in our system money buys government. So I have no delusions that the gun situation is ever going to change in my lifetime. I'll just keep reading about mass murders a couple times a week every week for the rest of my life, 'til I die of old age or maybe I'll be one of those fatalities one of those times some jerk is pissed off because he got fired or because no girls will fuck him or just goes off his meds.

Neophoenician said

cbicm79 said

And how was the this nut subdued? Oh that's right by a female police officer WITH A GUN. How many MORE people would have died had there been nobody with a firearm around?

How many people would still be alive if none of those nutcases had ever gotten a hold of a gun, including the two in the engineering office in Orlando today?

I work in an engineering firm. Am I supposed to carry a gun every time I go to review structural reports? Should I stop by the ammo store as well as Starbucks on my way to work every day?

Absolutely! So the gun nuts would have us live

I am always amazed that we believe and state that we are so advanced yet we see no contradiction in carrying around an instrument whose sole purpose is to cause harm.

What a bunch of fucktards people are

MsclDrew said

Balljunkie saidEvery time that I hear about a mass shooting like the one in Ft. Hood yesterday, I wonder what the hell happened. The second Amendment has been around since 1791. In the past twenty years, mass shootings like yesterday (Columbine, etc.) have become more prevalent. What changed in society or in people to make this more common?

Why does there have to be someone to blame....

I am not blaming someone or something, but things have changed. I don't remember mass shootings being common in 1985 or hell 1994 when I started high school. When you were in high school, did you ever think that a student would come in and shoot up the school? The worst was a fight. Hell, when Eastern Airlines tanked ( I used them as an example because I knew a couple of people that lost their jobs), you didn't hear about people going on mass shootings.

Neophoenician saidDon't worry cbicm79, nobody is going to ever take your guns away. The NRA is the biggest wealthiest lobby around, has been forever, and in our system money buys government. So I have no delusions that the gun situation is ever going to change in my lifetime. I'll just keep reading about mass murders a couple times a week every week for the rest of my life, 'til I die of old age or maybe I'll be one of those fatalities one of those times some jerk is pissed off because he got fired or because no girls will fuck him or just goes off his meds.

I never said that I possess a gun. However, I believe in the Second Amendment.

And you are sadly deluded if you believe that restricting gun ownership will prevent criminals from possessing them and murdering with them. Prohibition anybody?

How about the people that die every day as a result of driving drunk? Should we ban possession and consumption of alcohol? Or perhaps we should just ban possession of automobiles?

Blondizgd said

Neophoenician said

cbicm79 said

And how was the this nut subdued? Oh that's right by a female police officer WITH A GUN. How many MORE people would have died had there been nobody with a firearm around?

How many people would still be alive if none of those nutcases had ever gotten a hold of a gun, including the two in the engineering office in Orlando today?

I work in an engineering firm. Am I supposed to carry a gun every time I go to review structural reports? Should I stop by the ammo store as well as Starbucks on my way to work every day?

Absolutely! So the gun nuts would have us live

I am always amazed that we believe and state that we are so advanced yet we see no contradiction in carrying around an instrument whose sole purpose is to cause harm.

What a bunch of fucktards people are

"Sole purpose is to cause harm?"

I suppose then we should completely dissolve our military. After all tanks, fighter jets, bombers and missiles...they all cause harm. Let's just disband our military and talk very nicely to everybody and hope they will all be our friends. Ridiculous.

The primary reason a law-abiding citizen exercises their constitutional right to a firearm is for security and deterrence. Nobody in their right mind wants to have to discharge a gun to save their life but should have the freedom to do so.

Does this allow for the chance of a nut being able to go on a mass murdering spree. Yes it does. But freedom comes with risks and I would rather have liberty than some altruistic government running my life.

sxydrkhair saidIHG84... You are right... I apology, I shouldn't look at U.S. soldiers as a whole. Not all U.S. soldiers are the same.

I accept the apology, but I'm not the only guy on here who has served, or may be close with someone who is.

The deliberate horrors I've seen over there towards the Iraqi, and Afghan people. Were done by people who have extremely distorted views of Islam. That doesn't mean every Muslim out there is like that. I saw many of them who were afraid of that.

It always bothered me to see some innocent kids, women, or men injured, or killed over there. Whether it was by accident on our side, or deliberate on the enemy's side.. Those are the horrors of war though, and unlike the enemy we'd help the injured, not celebrate their death.

The soldiers who do horrible things to innocent people, British, American, Canadian whatever.. Are a disgusting disgrace and should, and always get punished.

There's a lot of men and women over there who are proud of what they are doing, and believe it or not do have the gratitude of people over there. Even if some are afraid to show it which I do not blame them one bit. None of those men and women deserve to die, and many of them want to come home now.

sxydrkhair saidThe shooter was against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. One of his cousin told the reporter that the shooter was harassed by his army colleagues because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity.

I don't blame him for shooting at the soldiers. They deserve what they done to people in the Middle East.

Those men and women enlisted in the military to serve their country and weren't necessarily even going into active combat—they could've been medics or in IT. To say they deserved to be killed is ridiculous.

It's one thing to disagree with war, it's another to blame the soldiers for the war they're fighting. This shooting was a tragedy no matter how you look at it.

cbicm79 saidLet's just disband our military and talk very nicely to everybody and hope they will all be our friends. Ridiculous. .

I'm not so sure about this. Until we get better at sharing, militaries will continue to be necessary. That's entirely different from civilians carrying weapons.

I'm no American, but doesn't your constitution state that all people have the right to a stable family, education, employment and health care?

If these parts of your constitution were better provisioned than the right to bear arms, surely there would be fewer massacres?

"but doesn't your constitution state that all people have the right to a stable family, education, employment and health care?"

. . . uh, no . . . it doesn't . . . luckily, utopia has not yet arrived on these shores . . .

makeumyne said
I'm no American, but doesn't your constitution state that all people have the right to a stable family, education, employment and health care?

If these parts of your constitution were better provisioned than the right to bear arms, surely there would be fewer massacres?

No, actually none of those are rights in the U.S. constitution. The bill of rights is mostly about legal rights, such as the right to a trial by jury, the right to a speedy trial, protection against double jeapordy and self-incrimination, prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment, protection from unreasonable search and seizure, etc. It's kind of funny when you read the U.S. Constitution, because you almost get the impression it was written for a nation of incorrigible criminals and/or overzealous prosecutors.

The two rights that get cited the most are the 1st Amendment, which guarantees freedom of speech, and the 2nd Amendment, which guarantees the "right to keep and bear arms".

It doesn't make sense to me how people get upset about the abuse of guns but when it comes to alcohol abuse and all the damage it causes, there's no argument about it - at all. If people are going to be so judgmental and zealous about guns then I would think rationally they would respond at least the same in regard to alcohol use and abuse. I'm pretty sure that causes more damage and death to society than people going crazy with guns.

With all the mass shootings we have here in America
there are men with problems at work
people with mental disorders
people on drugs with alcohol
men who are abusing their wives

But .......

the one thing all these situations have in common is that they were ALL able to get their drunk-ass drug-addicted wife-beating depressed schizophrenic hands on a gun

Why is that America?

I'd say that fewer guns on the street would be far more helpful than more guns. On this subject though, I'm a bit old school, here's my reasoning. When I was a child watching TV, if lassie hurt his leg while lost and was limping his way home, it hurt me and worried me as to whether or not he would get home safe. I didn't want anything bad to happen to him, it hurt me that something bad happened. Now lets switch to today's violence that our very young children are seeing. Take a look at the violence in cartoons, the video games, the violent movies and TV shows. Does anyone think that these children who see all this violence would be sensitive to whether or not Lassie broke his leg while watching a TV show? Not for a minute, they would be bored to tears because there's no action, no killing, no-one beating up or bloodgeoning someone else on the TV screen. And don't even try to tell me that what we repetitively see, hear and read has no affect on our sensetivities toward our fellow man. If you repetitively teach that violence is acceptable, its normal, its a way of life to children, youth, and the public in general of all ages, what can we expect but more violence. What goes in, is what comes out !!!!

cbicm79 said

Blondizgd said

Neophoenician said

cbicm79 said

And how was the this nut subdued? Oh that's right by a female police officer WITH A GUN. How many MORE people would have died had there been nobody with a firearm around?

How many people would still be alive if none of those nutcases had ever gotten a hold of a gun, including the two in the engineering office in Orlando today?

I work in an engineering firm. Am I supposed to carry a gun every time I go to review structural reports? Should I stop by the ammo store as well as Starbucks on my way to work every day?

Absolutely! So the gun nuts would have us live

I am always amazed that we believe and state that we are so advanced yet we see no contradiction in carrying around an instrument whose sole purpose is to cause harm.

What a bunch of fucktards people are

"Sole purpose is to cause harm?"

I suppose then we should completely dissolve our military. After all tanks, fighter jets, bombers and missiles...they all cause harm. Let's just disband our military and talk very nicely to everybody and hope they will all be our friends. Ridiculous.

The primary reason a law-abiding citizen exercises their constitutional right to a firearm is for security and deterrence. Nobody in their right mind wants to have to discharge a gun to save their life but should have the freedom to do so.

Does this allow for the chance of a nut being able to go on a mass murdering spree. Yes it does. But freedom comes with risks and I would rather have liberty than some altruistic government running my life.

You are a fool. But you are young so I guess I will have to forgive you.

In the process of supposedly being a deterrent - if used doesn't this instrument cause harm?

What freedom does possessing a weapon provide? All it does is provide a false sense of security. It emboldens idiots. It makes people act irrationally. Instead of resolving a conflict peaceably you now have the balls to shoot your way out.

Then again it does provide freedom- freedom to be a fucktard

someguy said

sxydrkhair saidThe shooter was against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. One of his cousin told the reporter that the shooter was harassed by his army colleagues because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity.

I don't blame him for shooting at the soldiers. They deserve what they done to people in the Middle East.

Those men and women enlisted in the military to serve their country and weren't necessarily even going into active combat—they could've been medics or in IT. To say they deserved to be killed is ridiculous.

It's one thing to disagree with war, it's another to blame the soldiers for the war they're fighting. This shooting was a tragedy no matter how you look at it.

I’m sorry if I offended anyone. I was reading the wrong articles... and RIP all the soldiers that died in FT. Hood. I should have read the OP's post first.

Balljunkie saidEvery time that I hear about a mass shooting like the one in Ft. Hood yesterday, I wonder what the hell happened. The second Amendment has been around since 1791. In the past twenty years, mass shootings like yesterday (Columbine, etc.) have become more prevalent. What changed in society or in people to make this more common?

1. stupidity
2. bad diets
3. fast food chains
4. psychological equilibrium being overlooked
5. focus on "independence" and no focus on "family"

It is a mistake to attempt to understand the mind of a coward.

Red_Vespa saidWell, Republicans will tell you it's more important that you have a weapon in case some hostile Indians try to enter your window, or those damn British come marching down the road.

Never mind that thousands are killed every year with firearms, there's this remote possibility that somebody's gonna try to assault you. Never mind that if we had a ban on firearms, your risk in the first place would be greatly reduced. Our guns are like our balls -- hands off!

We're Americans with a cowboy heritage, so naturally our 6-shooters have to be at our side. Praise Jesus, and pass the ammunition!

What about those that are saved? Like any other tool, the usefulness of a gun lies in the intent of the user. Look what happened in Britain. After they banned handguns fatal stabbings skyrocketed. Gun crime is on it's way back up despite the further tightening of regulations. Determined cowards will always find a way to kill other people. I'm not saying guns are great, but the issue is more complex than most are lead to believe.

Just playing devil's advocate here.

It has nothing to do with the 2nd at all. Its more of that we are not doing great enough of a job of keeping guns out of the hands of people that just really shouldn't have them. Its also the stress we are putting on your military unless this is some kind of proven terrorist attack or something. I know its still kind of up in the air as what happened but still. I really hope that it wasn't anything terrorist related. If it was... thats a whole other can of worms.

Ryan_Andrew saidIt has nothing to do with the 2nd at all. Its more of that we are not doing great enough of a job of keeping guns out of the hands of people that just really shouldn't have them...

Correct.

As US society becomes increasingly more militarized and de-sensitized to violence we will see more and more gun fatalities. When you combine the general violence with the decline of civic life, economic instability, loss of social opportunities, etc., more people will think little of using their "god given right to defend themselves". I don't think one person or reason is to blame but it is notable that these shootings increase year by year.

(As an aside, I think we'll see more of these soldiers becoming unteathered the longer these wars drag on, very similar to what happened during the Vietnam war.)

sxydrkhair said

coolarmydude said

sxydrkhair saidThe shooter was against the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. One of his cousin told the reporter that the shooter was harassed by his army colleagues because of his Middle Eastern ethnicity.

I don't blame him for shooting at the soldiers. They deserve what they done to people in the Middle East.

It's one thing to disagree with the policy, but what specifically did each of these victims do to "deserve" this? Your attitude is appalling. I won't even bother trying to convince you otherwise. Your ignorance to this degree should disqualify you from this community.

So you dont care if you were harassed by your soldiers because you are whatever ethnicity? soldiers that support war crime in Iraq don't deserve this? At least he wasn't shooting at people who are not soldiers.

Wow! I'm honestly shocked at your attitude about this. Innocent people whose job it is to help protect us died at the hands of this lunatic. Whether he was harassed or not is beside the point. You don't go shooting at and killing innocent people.

The memorial for the soldiers who died is on right now, and I find it too upsetting to watch, I'm getting too tenderhearted in my older years, so I've turned away. It was so senseless, I can only imagine how the family, friends and those who were there are feeling right now.