Peter Gomes discusses the scandal of the gospel, taking the bible literally, communism as christianity, black and homosexual labels, and heaven, hell and the divine in between

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    Dec 19, 2007 7:23 PM GMT



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/12/19/VI2007121900684.html?hpid=topnews
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    Dec 20, 2007 7:02 AM GMT
    I have not watched through all of the clips, but the idea of Communism's social structure as being closer to the social structure preached by Jesus than the contemporary corporate social structure is not particularly shocking; Jesus is, from my perspective, one of the great early Socialists icon_biggrin.gif
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    Dec 20, 2007 8:11 AM GMT
    Jesus was a complete Jew.
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    Dec 20, 2007 3:35 PM GMT
    Appropriate topic for this time of year and for that matter anytime of year. This Harvard guy is a real find. Not only is he wise but he seems to be a true christian, a rare find indeed! The thing I find perplexing is his view on present day politics. I think I heard him say he is a Republican. I didn't realize that the so called "tent" was that big.

    As for his comments about when the movement after Christ took a turn, I would propose that it was changed during the era of Constantine. Constantine was the epitomy of a politician. He set up the conference of Christians at Nicene at the start of the 4th century CE and controlled every aspect of what came out of that conference, therefore controlling what the church was and is today from that time onward. Many of the gospels written by that time were conveniently left out of the bible to concentrate the power of the religion in the central church and thereby keep the power of Rome in charge of a sweeping revolutionary movement. Constantine although he made the Christian religion the religion of the Roman Empire did not actually convert to Christianity until he was on his deathbed. Again, he was a consumate politician.
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    Dec 20, 2007 3:55 PM GMT
    bluecaddy 17-

    What does that means that Jesus is was a complete Jew?
    That's common knowledge, yes????

    What's your point?
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    Dec 20, 2007 4:55 PM GMT
    Jesus was NEVER a Jew...at least not according to MAD TV's Darlene McBride (Nicole Sullivan) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TW1v78hthk
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    Dec 20, 2007 4:57 PM GMT
    Very interesting interview. I think Gomes makes some very good points that the Christian community (of which I belong) should take note. I agree with him on many of these issues and I think Alexander7 is absolutely correct in his comments regard Constatine... the church became more of what we know today after Nicene than the fellowship of believers that carried out what Christ was preaching... a higher being in God and love...regardless. Be Christ like.
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    Dec 20, 2007 5:05 PM GMT
    Christianity is a fascinating religion. Shame there is such little of it actually practiced today... I find it most ironic that the word "Christian" literally means "Christ-like," but that the vast majority of so-called Christians are anything but.

    His teachings were all about tolerance, and love. If someone offends you, turn the other cheek. If someone hates you, love them instead. If someone is in need, give whatever you have to them.

    Call me crazy, but as beautiful as those teachings are, the modern church is about as far away from them as we are from Neptune.
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    Dec 20, 2007 11:17 PM GMT
    A poorly executed joke, that's all. If you don't get it, ask your son or some frat boy.

    Christianity is no more interesting than any other mass religion. It's different people participating in similar behavior. I think THAT'S what's interesting.
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    Dec 21, 2007 5:05 PM GMT
    Found the short video series from the Washington Post with Rev Dr Gomes very interesting so started checking him out...here's a link to a speech he wrote that I thought really hits home on the Christian church as we know it....

    http://cyberpsych.org/homophobia/noframes/gomes.htm

    Would love to hear what you think about it too.
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    Dec 21, 2007 6:24 PM GMT
    I have been a fan of Rev Dr Gomes for some time, I enjoyed both of his books and heard him speak once in Boston at my Church there.

    I found him to be exceptionally knowledgable and erudite. He seemed sincere, honest, and devout

    I tend to agree with him on almost everything I have heard him talk about.

    He teaches and Lectures frequently at Harvard and I have often wanted to attend one of his lectures (A former BF is on the faculty so we used to go to some of the lecture series).

    I have found that the people who espose radical conservative christianity (christianists) are not particularly well versed in theology. It has always reminded me of the maxim that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.