any atheists go to church?

  • Hunter9

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    Nov 07, 2009 4:23 PM GMT
    ya know... just for shits and giggles.

    or for some other reason?
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    Nov 07, 2009 4:33 PM GMT
    Uhhh, politicians? In the US, the more prominent you are in politics, the greater the pressure to be seen in church. Needless (and sad) to say.
  • MikePhilPerez

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    Nov 07, 2009 4:37 PM GMT
    Hunter9 saidya know... just for shits and giggles.

    or for some other reason?


    No, but I know a few that celebrate Christmas.
  • drypin

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    Nov 07, 2009 4:49 PM GMT
    Wow! Do some people have that kind of free time on their hands? I'm envious.
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    Nov 07, 2009 7:16 PM GMT
    Well, literally I "go" there because it's a small town and the church is one of three buildings large enough to have meetings or concerts in. The only time I go to a religious ceremony is to support a friend or neighbor at something like a wedding or a funeral, or a musical performance.
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    Nov 07, 2009 7:30 PM GMT
    Here was a thread where an atheist member went .. he said they laughed at him

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/222027/

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    Nov 07, 2009 7:54 PM GMT
    Yeah my familys pretty religious, my sisters are confirmed in catholic and Anglican churchs and I'll drag myself along to appease my farther for their cerimonies and at Xmas or family funerals and such

    I used to do a lot of volunteer work with church youth services but the church leaders know full well where I stand on things and I decided I couldn't take the hypocricy and tension
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    Nov 07, 2009 7:58 PM GMT
    Used to go for the sake of my family & friends, but I just can't swing it anymore. It's the same thing over and over again - what are they thinking about?
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    Nov 07, 2009 8:22 PM GMT
    I only go if I´m paid.

    I get enough mindless crap on RJ. No need to leave the house.

    Drew, Jawrhed... get your coats. You´ve pulled.
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    Nov 07, 2009 8:23 PM GMT
    I actually do attend religious observances of my Wiccan friends, for the following reasons:

    1. These people are a BLAST to hang with. I particularly remember one all-night winter solstice vigil (Yule - 12/22) where we played a rather bent version of the board game Payday. I do not think I have EVER laughed so hard in my life.

    2. They are sex positive. (Check the Charge of the Goddess, in particular the phrase; ALL acts of LOVE and PLEASURE are My rituals.)

    3. They are homosex positive. See #2 above. The High Priest and High Priestess also did the handfasting (Pagan marriage ceremony) for myself and my ex. I would have had no one else do it.

    4. On the mythological/allegorical/conceptual/psychological levels, the Wiccan mythos rings true for me. Being duotheists, they see divinity as divided into two - male and female, which they call God and Goddess. What is that but anima and animus? They speak of the elements (fire, water, air and earth) as requiring balance. This is no different than saying one's passions and or sex drive (fire), emotions (water), thoughts (air) and physical (either of body and or money) must be in balance. You will be out of balance if you place your head (air/thoughts) above your heart (water/emotions) and vice versa, as examples.

    5. They are honest. The High Priest gives classes titled specifically as 'The MYTHS of Wicca.'

    6. I have always detested fall and winter. I hate the cold. The Wiccan holidays, falling on the solstices and equinoxes, in some odd way, actually help me to prepare/accept the changing of the seasons.

    They know I am atheist and don't believe a word of it, at least in any literal sense, but they also know I do get it on the conceptual/allegorical level.

    Of course, this may not be AT ALL what you had in mind about atheists attending 'church,' but it is what it is and this group is a legally licensed church with legally licensed clergy.
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    Nov 07, 2009 8:29 PM GMT

    Last time I went, I got hit on by a man (in his defense, I was wearing a tight black top verging on see-through, my bad), which sorta pissed me off, so I said screw it.

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    Nov 07, 2009 8:31 PM GMT
    Will never step foot in one! Even after my parents and brother passed 10 yrs ago, I would not go to the church services. (They passed within 3 mos of one another so there were 3 separate services.)
    The only time I would like to be inside of a church, is if I am setting the explosives for a demolition crew. icon_cool.gif
    As a matter of fact, I just won a court case against the local govt here, because I was denied an absentee ballot. They vote in a bloody church! icon_eek.gif When I filled out the absentee form, none of the permissable reasons fit. So I sent in a letter. They denied me. I dispatched my barrister and 3 weeks later, I was allowed to cast my absentee ballot! icon_razz.gif Voting in a bloody church just seems so very wrong.
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    Nov 07, 2009 8:33 PM GMT
    Musclequest saidWill never step foot in one! Even after my parents and brother passed 10 yrs ago, I would not go to the church services. (They passed within 3 mos of one another so there were 3 separate services.)
    The only time I would like to be inside of a church, is if I setting the explosives for a demolition crew. icon_cool.gif
    As a matter of fact, I just won a court case against the local govt here, because I was denied an absentee ballot. They vote in a bloody church! icon_eek.gif When I filled out the absentee form, none of the permissable reasons fit. So I sent in a letter. They denied me. I dispatched my barrister and 3 weeks later, I was allowed to cast my absentee ballot! icon_razz.gif Voting in a bloody church just seems so very wrong.
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    Nov 07, 2009 8:34 PM GMT
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    Musclequest saidWill never step foot in one! Even after my parents and brother passed 10 yrs ago, I would not go to the church services. (They passed within 3 mos of one another so there were 3 separate services.)
    The only time I would like to be inside of a church, is if I setting the explosives for a demolition crew. icon_cool.gif
    As a matter of fact, I just won a court case against the local govt here, because I was denied an absentee ballot. They vote in a bloody church! icon_eek.gif When I filled out the absentee form, none of the permissable reasons fit. So I sent in a letter. They denied me. I dispatched my barrister and 3 weeks later, I was allowed to cast my absentee ballot! icon_razz.gif Voting in a bloody church just seems so very wrong.
    Cheers,
    Keith
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    THere´s atheist and there is unbalanced.


    How is that unbalanced? Why should I be forced to be surrounded by that?
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    Nov 07, 2009 8:39 PM GMT
    I reguarly attend an Unitarian Universalist church. I would say a little more than half of the people there are atheist/agnostic humamist. The remaining people are some sort of generic "spiritual" theist with a fair number of neo-pagans also mixed in. I enjoy the sense of community, food drives, feeding the homeless, etc, and having discussions with the other people at Church. Some people though wouldn't consider UU as a "Church" because UU dosn't have an offical creed. The thing about UU is there is a bit of difference between individuals and churches - it is unlikely that any two UU individuals/churches will have the same beliefs or focus. Eventhough there is a good deal of humanist influence in the UU church I attend sometimes even the water-down generic theist talk is a bit much for me. I think I would be more confortable/at home in a more total humanist "Church" such as the Ethical Cultrual Society. There isn't, however, a Ethical Cultrual Socity near to where I live.
    Even though I consider myself an agnostic (leaning towards atheist) humanist the only churches I really would take issue attending are those teaching/preaching an anti-gay aganda. I have a few gay catholic friends and I've attented Dignity and AGLO (Archdiocesan Gay and Lesiban outreach) with them. I've also attended other churches with family/friends. I would be hard pressed to attend a regular Catholic service though. I will attend any church (even Catholic) though for family/friend's funeral, marriage etc. because my love/support of family and friends is more important to me than where I have to go to honor those close to me.
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    Nov 07, 2009 8:39 PM GMT

    You go to your mother's service, I don't care if it's had in an Old Navy (EEEEK). You go to your mother's service, shame on you.



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    Nov 07, 2009 8:39 PM GMT
    because irrational feelings about a building should not be allowed to control your everyday life. That´s superstition: no different from refusing to walk on the cracks in the pavement or walk under a ladder.

    or do you think that Jesus really does live there icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 07, 2009 8:44 PM GMT
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    You go to your mother's service, I don't care if it's had in an Old Navy (EEEEK). You go to your mother's service, shame on you.





    No. It would have been a diservice. (Spelling?) She knew how I felt about it. OF course I went to their burials. (Well placements into the family mausoleum.)
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    Nov 07, 2009 8:49 PM GMT
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    Musclequest saidWill never step foot in one! Even after my parents and brother passed 10 yrs ago, I would not go to the church services. (They passed within 3 mos of one another so there were 3 separate services.)
    The only time I would like to be inside of a church, is if I setting the explosives for a demolition crew. icon_cool.gif
    As a matter of fact, I just won a court case against the local govt here, because I was denied an absentee ballot. They vote in a bloody church! icon_eek.gif When I filled out the absentee form, none of the permissable reasons fit. So I sent in a letter. They denied me. I dispatched my barrister and 3 weeks later, I was allowed to cast my absentee ballot! icon_razz.gif Voting in a bloody church just seems so very wrong.
    Cheers,
    Keith
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    THere´s atheist and there is unbalanced.


    How is that unbalanced? Why should I be forced to be surrounded by that?
    -Keith
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    One shouldn't have to step foot in a church to perform a civic duty. Personally, I think voting should only be held at a library, school, and other gov't building. That being said I love that my voting place is so close (just around the corner) at a Methodist church. I am sure I could request a absentee ballot, but like the feel of casting my vote at an actual polling place - just feels "offical". I also think election day should be a federal holiday, but that is a whole another issue.
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    Nov 07, 2009 8:49 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidbecause irrational feelings about a building should not be allowed to control your everyday life. That´s superstition: no different from refusing to walk on the cracks in the pavement or walk under a ladder.

    or do you think that Jesus really does live there icon_rolleyes.gif


    I totally disagree. It's not superstition. Don't believe in that either. It doesn't control my life. I got my way with the voting.
    As for the funeral masses....even if they were conducted outdoors I would not have attended the service.
    And please, ask any of these religious dolts.... to them the church is much more then a building. Would not set foot in such a place where the same religious dolts would just as soon ban Gay people from entering.
    Would rather see them burn to the ground. Then have to pay taxes on the land!!
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    Nov 07, 2009 8:53 PM GMT
    If something means you can´t vote normally and won´t go to your parents´ funerals, that counts as controlling your life in an unacceptable way.... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 07, 2009 8:56 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidIf something means you can´t vote normally and won´t go to your parents´ funerals, that counts as controlling your life in an unacceptable way.... icon_rolleyes.gif


    It didn't control my life. I controlled the voting. As I said, I didn't go to the ridiculous mass. I did attend the burials.
    Why should I sit there and listen to that diatribe of religious bullshit? I was stressed out enough.
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    Nov 07, 2009 9:46 PM GMT
    i go to church cos i do believe in what i was raised in. instead of accepting that the church does not like "gays", i've done my own research and many many hours of soul searching, i do believe that God is Love, whether the archaeic church accepts me or not. i know that God does.

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    Nov 07, 2009 10:04 PM GMT
    Of course not. They are not brave enough. They fear they will change sides.
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    Nov 07, 2009 10:05 PM GMT
    bodyarthero saidi go to church cos i do believe in what i was raised in. instead of accepting that the church does not like "gays", i've done my own research and many many hours of soul searching, i do believe that God is Love, whether the archaeic church accepts me or not. i know that God does.



    Keep in mind if you support an anti-gay church some of the funds you donate may be used by church leaders to press an anti-gay aganda (e.g., blocking same-sex marrage etc.). Believing in God does not mean you have to support an instituation (i.e., Church) ran by men working against gay issues/interests. There are several gay affirming Churches, so there is no need to be a Gay Uncle Tom supporting churches teaching/working against gays.