Salt Lake OKs gay rights laws with Mormon backing

  • metta

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    Nov 11, 2009 8:22 AM GMT
    Salt Lake OKs gay rights laws with Mormon backing


    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation/AP/story/1327078.html


    ( A little damage control from the Mormons???)
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    Nov 11, 2009 10:55 AM GMT
    I wonder......you know perhaps no few religions in the US are smelling the change in the air. You have new hate crime legislation now. Perhaps the religious right is starting to worry that their zeal could backfire.
    ...as in one day in court someone says,
    "Hey I killed the gay guy because the church says they're bad."


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    Nov 11, 2009 3:47 PM GMT
    I guess this is one of those cases where a little guild actually may do some good
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    Nov 11, 2009 4:31 PM GMT
    We mormons aren't all bad. icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 11, 2009 5:06 PM GMT
    ReBootTED saidWe mormons aren't all bad. icon_lol.gif


    This has always been true:

    http://mormonsformarriage.com/
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    Nov 11, 2009 5:16 PM GMT
    The original link is broken. I'm guessing it shouldn't really have the ellipsis in the url. Could you repost it?
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    Nov 11, 2009 5:18 PM GMT
    Metta, ya beat me to the punch babe. Still does this kinda feel like smoke being blown up your ass to anyone else?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/11/salt-lake-city-oks-gay-ri_n_353399.html

    MSUBioNerd saidThe original link is broken. I'm guessing it shouldn't really have the ellipsis in the url. Could you repost it?
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    Nov 11, 2009 5:49 PM GMT
    MSUBioNerd saidThe original link is broken. I'm guessing it shouldn't really have the ellipsis in the url. Could you repost it?


    sorry about that....I fixed it.
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    Nov 11, 2009 6:37 PM GMT
    I think it's nothing more than expedience in the form of political appeasement. They're throwing us a scrap in the hopes of shutting us up, and we're supposed to lick their hands. We don't need the fucking Mormon Church's endorsement; what we need is simply to be left alone, allowed the same rights as other Americans, and stop settling for a little handout like it's a pat on the head from our Sunday school teacher.

    They're just trying to put a pretty red Christmas bow on Separate But Equal.
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    Nov 11, 2009 6:49 PM GMT
    Maybe I misread the whole thing, but it never once said that they even supported 'separate but equal.' Who really knows which ones they are in favor of. If procreation is 'god's' master plan, then I'm sure they would limit the rights to some degree to encourage gays to get married to the opposite sex.
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    Nov 11, 2009 7:17 PM GMT
    Not sure why the Mormons would have to go into damage controle?

    Mormons have the right to one vote, the same as everyone ells of voting age.

    The leaders of the LDS faith, will never condone homosexuality, but I'm sure will continue to love the sinner, but not the sin, as Mormons, and just about all "Christian faiths" see homosexuality, and bisexuality, they are not on their own. The Church of "Jesus Christ" of latter day Saints, are never going to accept homosexual marriage, withing in it's Membership.

    If the whole of Mother America was to legalise homosexual marriage today, in the US of A, and members of the LDS faith were to partake,and consulate that union, they would be excommunicated; rules to their membership. They would not recognise homosexual marriage, within it's membership, and to be a Mormon, you can not have sex outside of marriage, and to do so you get excommunicated; providing you are not a Jack Mormon, and that comes down to living a lie.
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    Nov 11, 2009 7:38 PM GMT
    metta8 said
    ReBootTED saidWe mormons aren't all bad. icon_lol.gif


    This has always been true:

    http://mormonsformarriage.com/


    True. But......would you ever find a "Good" Mormon here at RJicon_question.gificon_wink.gif
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    Nov 11, 2009 8:05 PM GMT
    frankly i don't care- i don't need any church or religion to tell me that (they've changed their mind and) i now deserve equal civil rights like basic protection against hate crimes or professional protection against biases- i've always deserved them. i resent the political power they wield on the matter one way or the other- its scary in either sense, and they should have no place in any of it.

    that said, i'm warily happy about the results thus far- i can't change that these crackpot religions DO wield an obscene amount of power in our legislative process, and this is a step in a more beneficial direction for us.
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    Nov 11, 2009 8:12 PM GMT
    THIS IS NOT ABOUT BEING GOOD OR BAD......MORMON OR NON MORMON....


    Like I said in the otheR post......

    It's easy for them to do this....you just can't fuck....so why not....Good PR move for them and that's the ONLY reason they did it......I KNOW

    They are still full of shit. I was born gay......I am not giving up sex to be a puritanical mormon while they all fuck like rabbits and if they could....they would still have 10 wives.


    The only real reason they block the gay marriage deal is due to the fact that they are blocked from having more than one wife. That's the churches personal vendetta and has noting ....I mean nothing to do with family values or traditional family marriage.

    I mean...my point is....how traditional is polygamy and or 10 wives???

    See, I caught em in a lie....
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    Nov 11, 2009 8:23 PM GMT
    "The new law bans discrimination against gays in employment and housing in Salt lake City."
    Haha. I doubt they'll support any other cause of REAL significance.
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    Nov 11, 2009 8:31 PM GMT
    Mystic_Man saidTHIS IS NOT ABOUT BEING GOOD OR BAD......MORMON OR NON MORMON....


    Like I said in the otheR post......

    It's easy for them to do this....you just can't fuck....so why not....Good PR move for them and that's the ONLY reason they did it......I KNOW

    They are still full of shit. I was born gay......I am not giving up sex to be a puritanical mormon while they all fuck like rabbits and if they could....they would still have 10 wives.


    The only real reason they block the gay marriage deal is due to the fact that they are blocked from having more than one wife. That's the churches personal vendetta and has noting ....I mean nothing to do with family values or traditional family marriage.

    I mean...my point is....how traditional is polygamy and or 10 wives???

    See, I caught em in a lie....


    Even though I a pure homosexual support section 132 of the D & C. I would not say the banning of polygamy, has anything to do with the Mormons stance on no homosexual marriage. in fact I'm sure if they could still have their 30 something wives, they would be even more adamant to No homosexual Marriage.
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    Nov 11, 2009 8:34 PM GMT
    If Jesus Christ and the prophets of old were so concerned about HOMOSEXUALITY and the issues like we have.....they would have been a major topic and conversation and we would see more "BLOGING" in the BIBLE and BOOK of MORMON.


    The media has the gay issue in the front of the line and the free will of the people...Just do not like it!

    Or do they?
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    Nov 11, 2009 8:37 PM GMT
    Pattison said
    Mystic_Man saidTHIS IS NOT ABOUT BEING GOOD OR BAD......MORMON OR NON MORMON....


    Like I said in the otheR post......

    It's easy for them to do this....you just can't fuck....so why not....Good PR move for them and that's the ONLY reason they did it......I KNOW

    They are still full of shit. I was born gay......I am not giving up sex to be a puritanical mormon while they all fuck like rabbits and if they could....they would still have 10 wives.


    The only real reason they block the gay marriage deal is due to the fact that they are blocked from having more than one wife. That's the churches personal vendetta and has noting ....I mean nothing to do with family values or traditional family marriage.

    I mean...my point is....how traditional is polygamy and or 10 wives???

    See, I caught em in a lie....


    Even though I a pure homosexual support section 132 of the D & C. I would not say the banning of polygamy, has anything to do with the Mormons stance on no homosexual marriage. in fact I'm sure if they could still have their 30 something wives, they would be even more adamant to No homosexual Marriage.



    You see they do not have the option now, I have read church history (of the past...it WAS tolerated and accepted) and they never had issues with homosexuality like they do today.

    So?
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    Nov 11, 2009 8:41 PM GMT
    "The new law bans discrimination against gays in employment and housing in Salt lake City."

    Its ok with Mormons if we work to pay taxes and pay rent.
    But that's all.
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    Nov 11, 2009 8:46 PM GMT
    Mystic_Man said
    Pattison said
    Mystic_Man saidTHIS IS NOT ABOUT BEING GOOD OR BAD......MORMON OR NON MORMON....


    Like I said in the otheR post......

    It's easy for them to do this....you just can't fuck....so why not....Good PR move for them and that's the ONLY reason they did it......I KNOW

    They are still full of shit. I was born gay......I am not giving up sex to be a puritanical mormon while they all fuck like rabbits and if they could....they would still have 10 wives.


    The only real reason they block the gay marriage deal is due to the fact that they are blocked from having more than one wife. That's the churches personal vendetta and has noting ....I mean nothing to do with family values or traditional family marriage.

    I mean...my point is....how traditional is polygamy and or 10 wives???

    See, I caught em in a lie....



    Even though I a pure homosexual support section 132 of the D & C. I would not say the banning of polygamy, has anything to do with the Mormons stance on no homosexual marriage. in fact I'm sure if they could still have their 30 something wives, they would be even more adamant to No homosexual Marriage.



    You see they do not have the option now, I have read church history (of the past...it WAS tolerated and accepted) and they never had issues with homosexuality like they do today.

    So?
    I doubt the Mormons of old, would ever of been OK with homosexuality, just as no other Christain faith in the US of A, was back then. But word does travel even faster now days, than it did in the days of the pioneers.
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    Nov 11, 2009 8:56 PM GMT
    Pattison said
    Mystic_Man said
    Pattison said
    Mystic_Man saidTHIS IS NOT ABOUT BEING GOOD OR BAD......MORMON OR NON MORMON....


    Like I said in the otheR post......

    It's easy for them to do this....you just can't fuck....so why not....Good PR move for them and that's the ONLY reason they did it......I KNOW

    They are still full of shit. I was born gay......I am not giving up sex to be a puritanical mormon while they all fuck like rabbits and if they could....they would still have 10 wives.


    The only real reason they block the gay marriage deal is due to the fact that they are blocked from having more than one wife. That's the churches personal vendetta and has noting ....I mean nothing to do with family values or traditional family marriage.

    I mean...my point is....how traditional is polygamy and or 10 wives???

    See, I caught em in a lie....



    Even though I a pure homosexual support section 132 of the D & C. I would not say the banning of polygamy, has anything to do with the Mormons stance on no homosexual marriage. in fact I'm sure if they could still have their 30 something wives, they would be even more adamant to No homosexual Marriage.



    You see they do not have the option now, I have read church history (of the past...it WAS tolerated and accepted) and they never had issues with homosexuality like they do today.

    So?
    I doubt the Mormons of old, would ever of been OK with homosexuality, just as no other Christain faith in the US of A, was back then. But word does travel even faster now days, than it did in the days of the pioneers.




    I read in Church History, the Prophet Joseph Smith on one account counseled a man regarding a personal loss and death of a loved one.

    He told the man that he knew of their special condition and he also knew that he loved him. He told the man that one day they would have the same opportunity to be with each other. This was...another man.

    So?

    Why would he not say it??

    Look what Joseph Smith's own wife did to the church by splintering it with the reorganized church. One of the main reasons...POLYGAMY!!

    So?

    I am not here to argue about what is or is not. They will do what they wish!!
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    Nov 11, 2009 9:09 PM GMT
    Mystic_Man said
    Pattison said
    Mystic_Man said
    Pattison said
    Mystic_Man saidTHIS IS NOT ABOUT BEING GOOD OR BAD......MORMON OR NON MORMON....


    Like I said in the otheR post......

    It's easy for them to do this....you just can't fuck....so why not....Good PR move for them and that's the ONLY reason they did it......I KNOW

    They are still full of shit. I was born gay......I am not giving up sex to be a puritanical mormon while they all fuck like rabbits and if they could....they would still have 10 wives.


    The only real reason they block the gay marriage deal is due to the fact that they are blocked from having more than one wife. That's the churches personal vendetta and has noting ....I mean nothing to do with family values or traditional family marriage.

    I mean...my point is....how traditional is polygamy and or 10 wives???

    See, I caught em in a lie....



    Even though I a pure homosexual support section 132 of the D & C. I would not say the banning of polygamy, has anything to do with the Mormons stance on no homosexual marriage. in fact I'm sure if they could still have their 30 something wives, they would be even more adamant to No homosexual Marriage.



    You see they do not have the option now, I have read church history (of the past...it WAS tolerated and accepted) and they never had issues with homosexuality like they do today.

    So?
    I doubt the Mormons of old, would ever of been OK with homosexuality, just as no other Christain faith in the US of A, was back then. But word does travel even faster now days, than it did in the days of the pioneers.




    I read in Church History, the Prophet Joseph Smith on one account counseled a man regarding a personal loss and death of a loved one.

    He told the man that he knew of their special condition and he also knew that he loved him. He told the man that one day they would have the same opportunity to be with each other. This was...another man.

    So?

    Why would he not say it??

    Look what Joseph Smith's own wife did to the church by splintering it with the reorganized church. One of the main reasons...POLYGAMY!!

    So?

    I am not here to argue about what is or is not. They will do what they wish!!


    Thats business.....................
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    Nov 11, 2009 9:55 PM GMT
    theantijock said"Gays are welcome in church, but must remain celibate "

    This is just more love the sinner hate the sin bullshit. They have not changed their message that they think we are an abomination.


    But the same rules goes for straight people too! No sex outside of marriage; and for those guys too, being married still dont give you the right too "spank the monkey."icon_wink.gif Now some could say,: but I can't wed the one or two I love. But......even if you could, the leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints, won't sanction it; and thats their right to the rules of their club, and if you don't like it, don''t let the door hit you on the way out.
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    Nov 11, 2009 10:02 PM GMT
    Oh my God, Salt Lake City has a gays rights law. This is a real shocker because SLC is a very conservative and boring city. Granted it is one of the cleanest and best planned cities in the USA, but gay rights in Salt Lake City, that is totally unheard of. I am sure Provo, Utah is not too far behind in its baby steps in gradually accepting its gay residents.
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    Nov 11, 2009 10:04 PM GMT

    For heaven's sake, Pattison, theantijock is talking about being celibate, not being faithful. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Celibate means no sex at all ever, none, nada, zip, zero.


    If the Mormons were all celibate, well, there would be none by now. icon_lol.gif