Fat asses at higher risk of cancer than regular folks

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    Nov 11, 2009 1:50 PM GMT
    http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/05/obesity.cancer.link/index.html

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    (CNN) -- More than 100,000 cases of cancer each year are caused by excess body fat, according to a report released Thursday in Washington.

    Researchers with the American Institute for Cancer Research looked at seven cancers with known links to obesity and calculated actual case counts that were likely to have been caused by obesity.

    Specifically, the report says that 49 percent of endometrial cancers are caused by excess body fat. That number is followed by 35 percent of esophageal cancer cases; 28 percent of pancreatic cancer cases; 24 percent of kidney cancer cases; 21 percent of gallbladder cancer cases; 17 percent of breast cancer cases; and 9 percent of colorectal cancer cases.

    "This is the first time that we've put real, quantifiable case numbers on obesity-related cancers," said Glen Weldon, the American Institute for Cancer Research educational director. In addition, he said, it's not just causing cancer that's an issue.
    Video: Obesity linked to cancer
    This helps to communicate the magnitude of the problem.

    "Obesity not only raises the risk for getting cancer," Weldon said. "It also has a negative effect on survival and can make treatment more difficult."

    Although there is no concrete science on why obesity increases a person's risk for cancer, scientists hypothesize that excess estrogen released by body fat could be the culprit in cancers such as estrogen-receptor positive breast cancers.

    Studies have also shown that increased body fat can lead to increased levels of oxidative stress and inflammatory compounds in the blood, which are linked to DNA mutation and diseased cell growth, as is seen in many cancers.

    The American Cancer Society applauded the new research, but said the report is only the first step.

    "This helps to communicate the magnitude of the problem," said Dr. Michael Thun, vice president emeritus at the American Cancer Society.

    "While the study addresses the magnitude of the problem, it does not propose potential solutions. The bottom line for people concerned about this issue is to try to balance the calories you take in with those your body expends every day."

    In addition to cancer, obesity is a known cause of heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure and strokes.

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    Save a life. If you know a fat ass, get after them to start being responsible to themselves and to society at large.

    Obesity is the single largest killer in our country. Complacency and acceptance will not hinder the pandemic.
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    Nov 11, 2009 2:07 PM GMT
    "Fat asses" is such a harsh term.
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    Nov 11, 2009 2:19 PM GMT
    Well CS ain't one to beat around the bush, sotospeak. As a fat ass I would have to agree w/CS on this particular matter. I 'd have to say probably most of us know what has to be done. Sitting in the Dr's office yesterday and he's tellin me cholesterol's not bad, blood pressure's good, butt my body's makin too much insulin? Diets good, just need to get out and move more....
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    Nov 11, 2009 2:23 PM GMT
    center said"Fat asses" is such a harsh term.


    That's just what I'm talking about. Beating around the bush and acting as an enabler.

    In the quest to be politically correct, we don't call a garbage man a garbage man but a sanitation engineer.

    When a kid who is twelve has type 2 diabetes and is too fat to walk to the schoolbus, I say that's a fat ass. It's clearly not weight challenged.

    We call drunks drunks. We call pot heads pot heads. It's completely o.k. to call fat asses fat asses.

    You're part of the problem in that you don't understand that it takes years of bad behavior to end up like them. It's doesn't happen in a day, or a week, or even a month, but..is chronic irresponsible behavior. You don't look the problem in the eye and hold them accountable for their own health, and...folks are dying to the tune of nearly two MILLION folks, per year, needlessly. Shame on you.
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    Nov 11, 2009 2:32 PM GMT
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    You're part of the problem in that you don't understand that it takes years of bad behavior to end up like them.


    Perhaps that's true. What evidence do you have that insulting the obese or smokers or drinkers will lead them to change their unhealthy behaviors? It seems to me insults will make them feel worse about themselves. Whereas, if they ever hope to change, they must first feel BETTER about themselves, or POWERFUL instead of WORSE or POWERLESS.
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    center said
    chuckystud said
    You're part of the problem in that you don't understand that it takes years of bad behavior to end up like them.


    Perhaps that's true. What evidence do you have that insulting the obese or smokers or drinkers will lead them to change their unhealthy behaviors?


    Expect nothing less from Chuck-o. He has, for some reason, a real visceral and uncontrollable hatred of people who are overweight. Don't take it personally, center... He once called me part of the problem and personally blamed me for enabling their obesity with "too much sensitivity towards their feelings." He even went as far as to say that I was condemning them to die, which is laughable. I think it was in response to me disagreeing with a proposal (his, perhaps) to levy a tax on overweight people for being fat thereby alleviating the rest of us of the burden of paying extra for their lack of responsibility or something equally as brilliant.

    It doesn't matter, really, because I have come to learn that what he is doing has nothing to do with being informative or getting our attention about a serious health problem; this is just an ego-feeding game that he likes to play with the rest of us. Just watch... eventually we'll start seeing posts from him that just as condescending and vituperative as his original post, but will also be especially long-winded and cover a variety of different facts and facets in an effort to anticipate and head-off any counter-argument that we could possibly use.

    It's a game... only winning move is not to play. I've learned this one the hard way.
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    Nov 11, 2009 2:35 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidDon't take it personally, center....


    I don't. I have friends who are overweight, some morbidly obese. I would NEVER insult them in this manner. I even cringe when they sometimes refer to themsleves as 'fatass.'
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    Nov 11, 2009 2:56 PM GMT
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    center said"Fat asses" is such a harsh term.


    That's just what I'm talking about. Beating around the bush and acting as an enabler.

    In the quest to be politically correct, we don't call a garbage man a garbage man but a sanitation engineer.

    When a kid who is twelve has type 2 diabetes and is too fat to walk to the schoolbus, I say that's a fat ass. It's clearly not weight challenged.

    We call drunks drunks. We call pot heads pot heads. It's completely o.k. to call fat asses fat asses.

    You're part of the problem in that you don't understand that it takes years of bad behavior to end up like them. It's doesn't happen in a day, or a week, or even a month, but..is chronic irresponsible behavior. You don't look the problem in the eye and hold them accountable for their own health, and...folks are dying to the tune of nearly two MILLION folks, per year, needlessly. Shame on you.


    How about just treating them with an iota of common courtesy, human decency and -- dare I add -- compassion? Your raging pathological hatred of overweight people is well-known to long time members of this site, so I'm not really shocked that you constantly fail to acknowledge the psychological components that attribute to overeating in many cases. You oversimplify the problem, as if it were a mere matter of putting down the junk food & picking up a skipping rope. For some people, maybe that's all that it is, but for others, food is more than just something to fill their stomachs. Do you really think that calling someone with an eating disorder a fat ass is really productive? Trying to get to the underlying root of someone's problem -- which in the end would result in them NOT overeating or eating poorly -- is far more productive. It is not a means to enabling the person (and that's what they are -- a PERSON) to overeat. It is a means to allow them to get the control they need to make positive changes in all aspects of their life, including eating. All the self-rightous bullying on your part isn't going to fix that. Shame on YOU.
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    Nov 11, 2009 3:05 PM GMT
    That's a duh. Hope they didn't pay for the results of that study.







    When did people forget how to put down the fork already? icon_confused.gif
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    Nov 11, 2009 3:10 PM GMT
    RyanReBoRn saidThat's a duh. Hope they didn't pay for the results of that study.


    Like I said, this is not about Chuck-o informing us of anything new or getting us to care about a cause he holds dear. This is just him itchin' to play his favorite game with the rest of us... it's called "Let's see how many people on RJ I can rile up by excoriating fat people."

    Just know, fellas, that he's already been kicked off the site three or four times for "unsportsmanlike conduct."
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    Nov 11, 2009 3:28 PM GMT
    Truth be known, Chris (the owner) of RJ has my home office phone number, and I have my very first login from 2006. flex89, and I, also have some freebies, be it what it is.

    It's not about hating fat asses, but, rather, about getting folks to view the irresponsible behavior of folks on their own health for what it is. Being to fat, and I say fat, because scales are NOT a good indicator, is a very bad thing for health, and complacency about it is letting folks die. While we send drunks of to treatment and we intervene, and, yes, we get honest, as we do with a bunch of other bad behavior, we still haven't started doing that with fat asses, and we need to. There's no hate here. That's just noise. Does it stir folks up to confront them with the truth? Sure does. Some folks would have intervention on fat asses as a taboo topics. They would have those folks continue to die, needlessly. Why fat asses as the cause? Common sense. It affects more folks than any other bad behavior, and it's 100% preventable.

    Do we see fat folks who exercise and eat right? Of course not. It doesn't happen.

    Smoking was cool for many years, but, like obesity is now today, the good science is coming in.

    Should it o.k. for a mother in Houston to have a 880 pound 19 year old son? Of course not, but, she just keep finding him.

    How many will die before we step up and say enough is enough?

    If I get one person to intervene on a fat ass today, and save a life, I consider that I've done a VERY GOOD THING. I don't care if a few nut cases don't like the phrase "fat ass."
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    Nov 11, 2009 3:32 PM GMT
    I heard about the study where eating a hot dog a few times a week increases your chances of cancer by 65%. Of course, as the study points out, if your eating hot dogs most likely it is indicative of a poor diet overall.
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    Nov 11, 2009 3:32 PM GMT
    i always knew being fat sucked!
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    chuckystud saidBeing to fat, and I say fat, because scales are NOT a good indicator, is a very bad thing for health, and complacency about it is letting folks die.


    Driving a car to work or a store can be deadly and complacency about it is letting folks die.

    chuckystud said
    While we send drunks of to treatment and we intervene.


    We don't send drunks to treatment, outside of the justice system. I know several alcoholics not in treatment. There is no constitutional right to send drunks to treatment against their will. They are perfectly within their rights to drink themselves to death, and many have done just that.

    chuckystud said
    we still haven't started doing that with fat asses, and we need to. There's no hate here..


    What evidence do you have that insulting the obese by calling them the name of 'fatass' (like a 5 year old on a playground might do) makes them change their ways?

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    Does it stir folks up to confront them with the truth? Sure does. .


    It could just as likely strengthen their resolve to NOT change their behavior, if for no other reason than to let the name-callers know the name-calling will not control them.

    chuckystud said
    Some folks would have intervention on fat asses as a taboo topics..


    On what legal basis do you claim the right to strap the obese to a gurney and feed them through a tube until they are an acceptable weight (to you) or otherwise force them to lose weight?

    chuckystud said
    They would have those folks continue to die, needlessly. .


    Citizens of the US have the right to eat, drink, or smoke themselves to death, if they so choose, your desire to control the behaviors of others nothwithstanding.



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    chuckystud saidTruth be known, Chris (the owner) of RJ has my home office phone number, and I have my very first login from 2006. flex89, and I, also have some freebies, be it what it is.

    It's not about hating fat asses, but, rather, about getting folks to view the irresponsible behavior of folks on their own health for what it is. Being to fat, and I say fat, because scales are NOT a good indicator, is a very bad thing for health, and complacency about it is letting folks die. While we send drunks of to treatment and we intervene, and, yes, we get honest, as we do with a bunch of other bad behavior, we still haven't started doing that with fat asses, and we need to. There's no hate here. That's just noise. Does it stir folks up to confront them with the truth? Sure does. Some folks would have intervention on fat asses as a taboo topics. They would have those folks continue to die, needlessly. Why fat asses as the cause? Common sense. It affects more folks than any other bad behavior, and it's 100% preventable.

    Do we see fat folks who exercise and eat right? Of course not. It doesn't happen.

    Smoking was cool for many years, but, like obesity is now today, the good science is coming in.

    Should it o.k. for a mother in Houston to have a 880 pound 19 year old son? Of course not, but, she just keep finding him.

    How many will die before we step up and say enough is enough?

    And again, I ask the question: Why do you constantly avoid discussing the emotional and/or psychological reasons that contribute to overeating? Why do you always just put it down to bad lifestyle choices?

    And yes your choice of words are hateful -- if someone already has self-image issues, do you think that berating them is productive for them? Or is it just productive for you?

    If I get one person to intervene on a fat ass today, and save a life, I consider that I've done a VERY GOOD THING. I don't care if a few nut cases don't like the phrase "fat ass."
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    Nov 11, 2009 3:52 PM GMT
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    RyanReBoRn saidThat's a duh. Hope they didn't pay for the results of that study.


    Like I said, this is not about Chuck-o informing us of anything new or getting us to care about a cause he holds dear. This is just him itchin' to play his favorite game with the rest of us... it's called "Let's see how many people on RJ I can rile up by excoriating fat people."

    Just know, fellas, that he's already been kicked off the site three or four times for "unsportsmanlike conduct."


    Eh....I was fat in seventh, eighth, and ninth grade due to a vaccine response and a suppressed immune system. Anything anyone had, I would get. I couldn't do much because I was always sick. Then, in ninth grade I started feeling better and lost it all. Actually it had a lot to do with being in a new school and being treated differently because I was fat.

    In my thirties I had a car accident, and I didn't allow myself to work out for five years fearing I would hurt my neck and back even further. It took too long for me to realize I had to make a change.

    Yes, disparaging words are not motivational, but a big dose of honesty and reality would be helpful. If someone just sat me down and said "this is not acceptable, look what you're doing to yourself" than I would have changed a lot quicker. We just don't let smokers go on killing themselves, or alcoholics risking their lives, why should we accept fat people we care about continue a destructive habit?
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    Celticmusl saidWe just don't let smokers go on killing themselves, or alcoholics risking their lives, why should we accept fat people we care about continue a destructive habit?


    We DO let people smoke themselves to death. You can't change another person. It is up to them to change themselves. They have to want to change.
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    Nov 11, 2009 4:01 PM GMT
    Yep, but, we intervene on lots of folks with bad behavior. Drunks, druggies, wife beaters, etc.

    My point is that interventions DO save lives. We are derelict if we are accepting. Peer pressure is a very powerful thing.

    Those who are accepting contribute to the problem. My folks, and perhaps yours, set an expectation. Simply put, we weren't allowed to become fat asses. Leadership / parenting has to occur. There's no excuse for a 10 year old kid who is so fat they can't walk to the curb for the school bus.

    Obesity is pandemic, affects the largest number of folks, by far, of any bad behavior. Huge costs are on the horizon in treating the fat asses as they grow older, but, not just costs in terms of money, but, also in terms of quality of life, and emotional suffering.

    We have to make it unacceptable to be a fat ass.

    Type 2 diabetes is 100% preventable.

    I understand we can't save the world, but, I also understand that setting an expectation, whether it be going to the moon in ten years, or lowering the percent of fat asses, is completely prudent and reasonable. To not take action is WRONG.
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    Nov 11, 2009 4:09 PM GMT
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    Celticmusl saidWe just don't let smokers go on killing themselves, or alcoholics risking their lives, why should we accept fat people we care about continue a destructive habit?


    We DO let people smoke themselves to death. You can't change another person. It is up to them to change themselves. They have to want to change.


    Wrong. As a society we make it more and more difficult for that person to continue on a destructive path. As individuals I assure you there are those that will intervene even further. Fat people just have to face the facts, and I wish as a society we could do more. Some might call it tough love. I am not the type of person that will idly sit back while someone I care about is in a destructive habit, and I will not be an enabler. Watch The Biggest Loser, half the time the trainers are more like therapists than coaches. I work at a gym, and yes, sometimes we tell overweight people what they would rather not hear to keep them on track, focused and motivated.
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    RyanReBoRn saidThat's a duh. Hope they didn't pay for the results of that study.


    Like I said, this is not about Chuck-o informing us of anything new or getting us to care about a cause he holds dear. This is just him itchin' to play his favorite game with the rest of us... it's called "Let's see how many people on RJ I can rile up by excoriating fat people."

    Just know, fellas, that he's already been kicked off the site three or four times for "unsportsmanlike conduct."


    Eh....I was fat in seventh, eighth, and ninth grade due to a vaccine response and a suppressed immune system. Anything anyone had, I would get. I couldn't do much because I was always sick. Then, in ninth grade I started feeling better and lost it all. Actually it had a lot to do with being in a new school and being treated differently because I was fat.

    In my thirties I had a car accident, and I didn't allow myself to work out for five years fearing I would hurt my neck and back even further. It took too long for me to realize I had to make a change.

    Yes, disparaging words are not motivational, but a big dose of honesty and reality would be helpful. If someone just sat me down and said "this is not acceptable, look what you're doing to yourself" than I would have changed a lot quicker. We just don't let smokers go on killing themselves, or alcoholics risking their lives, why should we accept fat people we care about continue a destructive habit?


    By your own admission, here, you made / make a long line of excuses for bad behavior. I've had my arm immobilized for 6 weeks. So? Cry me a river. It sounds like you finally hit bottom and got into motion, but, had someone intervened sooner, you might not have been in such bad shape. If someone had intervened on the 880 pound fat kid in Houston (World's Fattest Teenage) and told his mom to stop feeding him, think of all the pain, grief, suffering, and money that would have been saved. You'd still make excuses, knowing full well that you just needed to get moving. We have a responsibility to ourselves,and to "The Village" to set an expectation. Complacency is why folks end up DEAD.

    Logan / flex89 has lived with me for 1.5 years. Logan is a type 1 diabetic. Does he blow off working out? No. Does he eat right? Yes. In fact, his latest HBA1C was a 5.5 (OUTSTANDING). Does Logan wallow in self pity because he has a chronic condition, that unlike obesity, or HIV, was not caused by any bad behavior on his part? Of course not. He MAKES NO EXCUSES. He takes charge, and does what needs doing. Hence, a 5.5 A1C.
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    Nov 11, 2009 4:12 PM GMT
    chuckystud said
    Celticmusl said
    SAHEM62896 said
    RyanReBoRn saidThat's a duh. Hope they didn't pay for the results of that study.


    Like I said, this is not about Chuck-o informing us of anything new or getting us to care about a cause he holds dear. This is just him itchin' to play his favorite game with the rest of us... it's called "Let's see how many people on RJ I can rile up by excoriating fat people."

    Just know, fellas, that he's already been kicked off the site three or four times for "unsportsmanlike conduct."


    Eh....I was fat in seventh, eighth, and ninth grade due to a vaccine response and a suppressed immune system. Anything anyone had, I would get. I couldn't do much because I was always sick. Then, in ninth grade I started feeling better and lost it all. Actually it had a lot to do with being in a new school and being treated differently because I was fat.

    In my thirties I had a car accident, and I didn't allow myself to work out for five years fearing I would hurt my neck and back even further. It took too long for me to realize I had to make a change.

    Yes, disparaging words are not motivational, but a big dose of honesty and reality would be helpful. If someone just sat me down and said "this is not acceptable, look what you're doing to yourself" than I would have changed a lot quicker. We just don't let smokers go on killing themselves, or alcoholics risking their lives, why should we accept fat people we care about continue a destructive habit?


    By your own admission, here, you made / make a long line of excuses for bad behavior. I've had my arm immobilized for 6 weeks. So? Cry me a river. It sounds like you finally hit bottom and go into motion, but, had someone intervened sooner, you might not have been in such bad shape.

    Logan / flex89 has lived with me for 1.5 years. Logan is a type 1 diabetic. Does he blow off working out? No. Does he eat right? Yes. In fact, his latest HBA1C was a 5.5 (OUTSTANDING). Does Logan wallow in self pity because he has a chronic condition, that unlike obesity, or HIV, was not caused by any bad behavior on his part? Of course not. He MAKES NO EXCUSES. He takes charge, and does what needs doing. Hence, a 5.5 A1C.


    Uh....yeah....that was the whole point of my thread, I was admitting I made excuses and if someone would have said "get off your butt" I would have changed sooner.
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    chuckystud saidYep, but, we intervene on lots of folks with bad behavior. Drunks, druggies, wife beaters, etc.


    In the case of crimes, sure, but obesity is not a crime.

    chuckystud said
    Peer pressure is a very powerful thing.


    I've no respect whatsoever for those who cave to peer pressure.

    chuckystud said
    My folks, and perhaps yours, set an expectation.


    My genetics make me a beanpole, even in my mid 40s.

    chuckystud said
    Simply put, we weren't allowed to become fat asses.


    I couldn't have become overweight if I tried.

    chuckystud said
    Leadership / parenting has to occur.



    And you are qualified for this role how? By name-calling?

    chuckystud said
    There's no excuse for a 10 year old kid who is so fat they can't walk to the curb for the school bus.


    Certain Xtians say there's no excuse for homosexuality. Are you as qualified in your statements as they are in theirs?

    chuckystud said
    Huge costs are on the horizon in treating the fat asses as they grow older,


    How can that be if they die at younger ages due to health issues?

    chuckystud said
    We have to make it unacceptable to be a fat ass.


    What evidence do you have that your name-calling will achieve that?

    chuckystud said
    I understand we can't save the world, but, I also understand that setting an expectation, whether it be going to the moon in ten years, or lowering the percent of fat asses,


    Oftentimes, trolls have no evidence to back up their claims. What evidence do you have that insulting the obese will change their behavior?
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    "Uh....yeah....that was the whole point of my thread, I was admitting I made excuses and if someone would have said "get off your butt" I would have changed sooner."

    Got it....:-)
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    The guy above said we need something to be a crime before intervention, and that peer pressure is for the weak. Some truth to the latter, but, just because something isn't a crime doesn't mean it's not bad behavior and doesn't deserve intervention. Not all bad behaviors are crimes. That's more than a bit short-sighted. There's a ton of folks in treatment centers across the country that were never convicted of a crime.

    Far left is real quick to make a long list of excuses for bad behavior, but, you know what, all poor folks don't behave badly, and all rich folks don't behave well. That's just more excusing making for inaction.

    We're quick to come up with reasons to not be culpable for much of our destinies. That's just crap. I lived in my car for 9 months, and I STILL worked out every day. Time to stop the excuses.