Mormon Church first-ever support of Gay Rights Bill in Utah

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    Nov 11, 2009 7:36 PM GMT
    http://www.opposingviews.com/articles/news-mormon-church-s-first-ever-support-of-gay-rights-bill-in-utah-r-1257963713

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    Nov 11, 2009 7:49 PM GMT
    I'm sure the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day Saints, wouldn't have much issue about homosexual rights. But they will not support homosexual marriage, as thats between men and women, and not Adam and Steve, and thats their right, as to be a Mormon is a choice.
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    Nov 11, 2009 7:59 PM GMT
    It's easy for them to do this....you just can't fuck....so why not....Good PR move for them and that's the ONLY reason they did it......I KNOW
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    Nov 11, 2009 8:05 PM GMT
    Mystic_Man saidIt's easy for them to do this....you just can't fuck....so why not....Good PR move for them and that's the ONLY reason they did it......I KNOW


    Exactly. Its sad in a way that the Gay rights leader thinks this a step forward. The LDS Church will never allow openly "practicing" homosexual individuals to hold membership in that organization. Homosexuality is next to murder on the sin scale for LDS members.
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    Nov 11, 2009 8:14 PM GMT
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    Mystic_Man saidIt's easy for them to do this....you just can't fuck....so why not....Good PR move for them and that's the ONLY reason they did it......I KNOW


    Exactly. Its sad in a way that the Gay rights leader thinks this a step forward. The LDS Church will never allow openly "practicing" homosexual individuals to hold membership in that organization. Homosexuality is next to murder on the sin scale for LDS members.


    True.

    There is an openly gay guy who is a Moron in Melbourne, and been to the Temple too, and you can do this. It just means he has to live a life without touch; sex. Because you be a Mormon, you can only have sex within the realm of marriage; the same goes for straight and bisexual people too.
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    Nov 11, 2009 8:16 PM GMT
    Be it positive or negative, the opinion of the mormons or any religion simply should not matter when it comes to the rights of others. Exclamation point.
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    Nov 11, 2009 8:16 PM GMT
    Well and as a Pure Homosexual. I support section 132 of the D & C.
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    Nov 11, 2009 9:15 PM GMT
    You know you can even buy Tobacco, and Alcohol in Utah to now days as well; albeit they have the strangest drinking laws I've ever come across.
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    Nov 11, 2009 9:17 PM GMT
    Pattison saidYou know you can even buy Tobacco, and Alcohol in Utah to now days as well; albeit they have the strangest drinking laws I've ever come across.


    Its much more relaxed now, gone are the days of having a club membership to drink outside of the home. Why I bought me some beer at a Walmart in American Fork just a few weeks past.
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    Nov 11, 2009 10:00 PM GMT
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    Pattison saidYou know you can even buy Tobacco, and Alcohol in Utah to now days as well; albeit they have the strangest drinking laws I've ever come across.


    Its much more relaxed now, gone are the days of having a club membership to drink outside of the home. Why I bought me some beer at a Walmart in American Fork just a few weeks past.


    The last time I was in salt lake City. I stayed at the Mariette, and could drink at the bar there, but could not have two drinks at one time, or no doubles shots, but I was too meet an owner at a japerness restaurant across the road; but membership was still needed there, but he did not make me join.
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    Nov 11, 2009 10:02 PM GMT
    McGay saidBe it positive or negative, the opinion of the mormons or any religion simply should not matter when it comes to the rights of others. Exclamation point.


    Well said. All people deserve their right, whoever they may be.
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    Nov 11, 2009 10:11 PM GMT
    This is positive, encouraging news. The LDS Church is slowly opening its long stagnant mind by gradually accepting gay rights with strings attached though. It is a positive step in the right direction. Now the Mormons are going to become targets of negative criticism from the ignorant Christian right wing. Hopefully the Mormons can start to educate these right wing homophobes into accepting the true fact that we gays are not bad people after all.
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    Nov 11, 2009 10:32 PM GMT
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    McGay saidBe it positive or negative, the opinion of the mormons or any religion simply should not matter when it comes to the rights of others. Exclamation point.


    Well said. All people deserve their right, whoever they may be.


    But Mormons just like catholics (and catholasisem is from Rome, and the Mormonism is American born) in America have a right to a vote, and while the American government puts such issues to the vote as gay marriage, no-one has done any wrong in saying: No to gay rights, marriage so on, if it's put to the vote, and people are asked for their opinion; stop holding referendums on such issues then. So people of the US of A, and Australia too, have a right to vote however we won't.
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    Nov 11, 2009 10:41 PM GMT
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    McGay saidBe it positive or negative, the opinion of the mormons or any religion simply should not matter when it comes to the rights of others. Exclamation point.


    Well said. All people deserve their right, whoever they may be.


    But Mormons just like catholics (and catholasisem is from Rome, and the Mormonism is American born) in America have a right to a vote, and while the American government puts such issues to the vote as gay marriage, no-one has done any wrong in saying: No to gay rights, marriage so on, if it's put to the vote, and people are asked for their opinion; stop holding referendums on such issues then. So people of the US of A, and Australia too, have a right to vote however we won't.



    I'm not saying that people who's opinions on gay marriage are wrong, it that they can say what they want to say about the subject. But they should not let it interfer with what people should be given under the law.
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    Nov 11, 2009 11:18 PM GMT
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    McGay saidBe it positive or negative, the opinion of the mormons or any religion simply should not matter when it comes to the rights of others. Exclamation point.


    Well said. All people deserve their right, whoever they may be.


    But Mormons just like catholics (and catholasisem is from Rome, and the Mormonism is American born) in America have a right to a vote, and while the American government puts such issues to the vote as gay marriage, no-one has done any wrong in saying: No to gay rights, marriage so on, if it's put to the vote, and people are asked for their opinion; stop holding referendums on such issues then. So people of the US of A, and Australia too, have a right to vote however we won't.



    I'm not saying that people who's opinions on gay marriage are wrong, it that they can say what they want to say about the subject. But they should not let it interfere with what people should be given under the law.


    Believe me, I did hear what you said.

    But while the American Government, is asking the people of the US of A, should we give the homosexuals and lesbians of America, the right to marriage, and so on; no interfering has gone on, people were givern a voice via a vote on these issues. Australia never asked it's voters on reconising homosexual relasionships, they just did it.

    Now Obama knows all of the American states say no to gay marriage, what is he going to do now?

    If he goes against the majority of the American people, he'll only get one term in office.

    Yes he has made promises to the homosexuals of America, but he has not put a timeline on any of it. It will become his next election promise; vote me in for another term and I'll; yadda, yadda, yadda.
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    Nov 11, 2009 11:49 PM GMT
    SexySwimmer saidhttp://www.opposingviews.com/articles/news-mormon-church-s-first-ever-support-of-gay-rights-bill-in-utah-r-1257963713

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    Wait WHAT?!?!?

    Ok if UTAH legalizes gay marriage, and if this is backed by the Mormon Church, then I am going to no longer stereotype anyone. I will assume that Muslims will soon legalize gay marriage. hahahahahahah
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    Nov 12, 2009 12:57 AM GMT
    Obama will have one term anyway. He may as well piss people off. The need for fiscal conservatism will bring back the 'publicans.
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    SexySwimmer saidhttp://www.opposingviews.com/articles/news-mormon-church-s-first-ever-support-of-gay-rights-bill-in-utah-r-1257963713

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    Wait WHAT?!?!?

    Ok if UTAH legalizes gay marriage, and if this is backed by the Mormon Church, then I am going to no longer stereotype anyone. I will assume that Muslims will soon legalize gay marriage. hahahahahahah


    Mate and I'll shout you vodka, in a Muslim gay club, in fact all drinks for the night will be on me, for the houseicon_wink.gif
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    Nov 12, 2009 2:56 AM GMT
    They probably see ENDA coming down the road which will make their action irrelevant and want to seem generous. They already made it clear that this is not a signal that they approve homosexuality .. as if we really care what they think anyway icon_rolleyes.gif

    The day will come that the law will FULLY recognize the rights and equality of gays and the ones that gave gays such a hard time will just be remembered for the sad little homophobes they are.
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    Nov 12, 2009 3:21 AM GMT
    ActiveAndFit saidThey probably see ENDA coming down the road which will make their action irrelevant and want to seem generous. They already made it clear that this is not a signal that they approve homosexuality .. as if we really care what they think anyway icon_rolleyes.gif

    The day will come that the law will FULLY recognize the rights and equality of gays and the ones that gave gays such a hard time will just be remembered for the sad little homophobes they are.


    You know in so many ways this reminds me of all the gay men who have lived and now who are gone, who never had what we have on this day, and were sure they would of seen more come to pass for advancement in their lifetime, but they just did not live long enough; even if they lived until 100.

    So I now ponder, how many here today will never live long enough to see the advancements they long for? lets face it, in the US of A it may well still be 50 years away.
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    Nov 12, 2009 3:48 AM GMT
    Pattison saidSo I now ponder, how many here today will never live long enough to see the advancements they long for? lets face it, in the US of A it may well still be 50 years away.
    Patticakes, you crack me up. In the states that recently lost gay marriage for instance, there was a very narrow margin .. just a few percentage points. When young people are polled (a university in Maine for instance) there has been approval ratings of upwards of 81%. For other things such as employment discrimination, the majority of Americans already think it is wrong to be fired or denied housing because you are gay. I don't think that it will be much more than 5 years that gays have full equality here.
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    Pattison saidSo I now ponder, how many here today will never live long enough to see the advancements they long for? lets face it, in the US of A it may well still be 50 years away.
    Patticakes, you crack me up. In the states that recently lost gay marriage for instance, there was a very narrow margin .. just a few percentage points. When young people are polled (a university in Maine for instance) there has been approval ratings of upwards of 81%. For other things such as employment discrimination, the majority of Americans already think it is wrong to be fired or denied housing because you are gay. I don't think that it will be much more than 5 years that gays have full equality here.


    Sorry I'm not sure if you was talking to one or not?

    But I truly hope you are right; but albeit in the US of A, voting is a choice, unlike Australia. So you have to get them to the voting polls first. Then Obama may not get in next time as he may of lost a large section of the gay vote, and this may see a republican in the top job again.

    I recall in CA with this prop 8. I may of seemed like a dark cloud to many, as I was not on the band wagon celebrating before the eggs have hatched, and then when it come to pass, and all was done, no eggs were to hatch at all, what I tried to warn about come to pass. But people didn't want to hear it; and I'm sure you was one of em. No it was time, and the time was back then; how they still wait, and I'm sure some have even died since, and will never see it.

    No it' more than 5 year away from getting full rights like Canada, and there are people here at RJ today, who will never see this come to pass, as so many now gone never did. I look forward to assessing to where America is in 5 years, so long as I'm still here. America is way more than 5 years away from getting over it's deeply embedded christian roots, and homosexuality is still a minority.