The Catholic Church and its dead heart

  • metta

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    Nov 12, 2009 7:14 PM GMT
    Catholic Church gives D.C. ultimatum


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/11/AR2009111116943.html

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    Nov 12, 2009 7:31 PM GMT
    the church enjoys nothing else if not throwing its weight around to get what it wants, even at the expense of those it claims to serve. if they're childish enough to threaten cessation of aid to the needy of DC, over an issue it should, by TRUE christian tenets of brotherhood and love, be in support of in the first place.... it shows how weak, hypocritical, and petty it really is... as well as just how much of a hollow propagandist show the charities really are to begin with. what a crapulous organization.



    who would want to willingly align themselves with that, much less trust their souls' health to it?

    i hope it passes (obviously) and that they DO withdraw mass support in the city- it'll show how rotten and hypocritical they really are, how little they really care for the needy, what lengths they'll go to deny simple civil rights to people who are different, and alienate all those they seek to bully.
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    Nov 13, 2009 11:40 PM GMT
    YEAH
    ......DC defy the blackmail from the Catholic Church

    Lawmakers defy church pressure on DC gay marriage

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jNevWFd2BZmIvPtul1FPLDxckGRgD9BUR61O0
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    Nov 13, 2009 11:47 PM GMT
    ignant. dat wuz jess ignant.

    they do understand, do they not, that the pope is the sovereign of vatican city, not d.c.?
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    Nov 14, 2009 12:01 AM GMT
    dancerjack saidignant. dat wuz jess ignant.

    they do understand, do they not, that the pope is the sovereign of vatican city, not d.c.?


    In fact he feels it's the world.
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    Nov 14, 2009 12:17 AM GMT
    This week I read on Towelroad about the Vatican now wanting to ban gays and lesbians from VISITING the Vatican.

    http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/11/10/catholic-bishop-gays-are-not-welcome-at-vatican-city

    I also read about the Catholic Church donating about $500K to overturn gay marriage in Maine.

    It all boils down to a witch hunt. It reminds me of McCarthyism, and how Roy Cohn Eugene MacCarthy went after Pinkos and Commies and alleged homosexuals. History shows that they were both probably gay.

    There are similar rumors about Benedict. Repression creates obsession, and what we resist persists.



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    Nov 14, 2009 12:24 AM GMT
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    dancerjack saidignant. dat wuz jess ignant.

    they do understand, do they not, that the pope is the sovereign of vatican city, not d.c.?


    In fact he feels it's the world.


    But what he says and thinks has power of what his flock believe. Devout Catholics in D.C. may fear hell, denial of communion or excommunication.
    In the last election, the church threatened denial of communion to any public official who voted for abortion rights. His word is EXTREMELY powerful.

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    Nov 19, 2009 6:14 PM GMT
    DC Archdiocese: Desire to Discriminate Greater Than Duty to the Poor




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    I believe that the best solution is to find other entities to replace the Archdiocese. The way that they have tried to publicly muscle the city into following church teaching on this issue probably makes it improbable that they can continue to be a trusted partner in the future. The search for replacement operations - secular or religious, non-profit or for profit - should begin now. Even if a compromise could be found, one that doesn't force the city to abide by the church's hardcore discriminatory policies, it would only be a matter of time before they threatened the city again. Besides, they have already proven that they are willing to take hostages.

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-j-wilson/dc-archdiocese-desire-to_b_359007.html

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    Nov 19, 2009 6:32 PM GMT
    let the church do it, it just goes to show how unchrist-like some christians are.
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    Nov 19, 2009 6:56 PM GMT
    If someone believes homosexuality is a sin, that's their right. However, I've never understood the obsession of one sin over others. Why not ban gossipers and liars from entering Vatican City? Maybe the Catholic Church has a hierarchy of sins. I must admit I'm mostly ignorant when it comes to the doctrines of Catholicism. I know in most Protestant churches, a sin is a sin. At least doctrinally. That doesn't mean people aren't personally biased, however. I just don't get the "Christian" obsession with homosexuality. Especially when Jesus never even mentioned the subject(at least not what was recorded). I think if it was that important, He would've mentioned it or the apostles would've recorded what he said about the subject. Although Christianity stopped being about Jesus Christ a long time ago.
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    Nov 19, 2009 7:03 PM GMT
    muscles4muscles saidIf someone believes homosexuality is a sin, that's their right. However, I've never understood the obsession of one sin over others. Why not ban gossipers and liars from entering Vatican City? Maybe the Catholic Church has a hierarchy of sins. I must admit I'm mostly ignorant when it comes to the doctrines of Catholicism. I know in most Protestant churches, a sin is a sin. At least doctrinally. That doesn't mean people aren't personally biased, however. I just don't get the "Christian" obsession with homosexuality. Especially when Jesus never even mentioned the subject(at least not what was recorded). I think if it was that important, He would've mentioned it or the apostles would've recorded what he said about the subject. Although Christianity stopped being about Jesus Christ a long time ago.


    Yes it is their right, but tax dollars shouldn't be going to support their discrimination. This is why I think tax payer funding of "faith-based" social programs is a bad idea. I hope they back out and let the tax dollars support a more tolerant (hopefully secular) group. I hope this raises serious concerns about gov't funding of anything church related. Let church members - not tax payers - support their own church's programs.
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    Nov 19, 2009 7:29 PM GMT
    Stephen Colbert had a great comment on this earlier this week:

    "They [the Catholic Church] have no choice. After all, Jesus said, 'If you wish to be perfect, go sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor...' unless a couple of dudes register at the Pottery Barn, in which case f**k the poor."
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    Nov 19, 2009 7:31 PM GMT
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    wow can't believe I'm catholic
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    Nov 19, 2009 7:32 PM GMT
    I hear many other churches and charities are rushing to fill the gap being (purportedly) vacated by the Catholic Church. Good riddance. I specifically heard the Episcopalians want a crack at that dough.
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    Nov 19, 2009 7:42 PM GMT
    Catholic Church don't let the door hit ya where your evil lord split ya.
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    Nov 20, 2009 2:08 AM GMT
    Space_Cowboy_89 saidicon_rolleyes.gif

    wow can't believe I'm catholic


    Well you can always stop being a Gay Uncle Tom and leave the anti-gay Catholic church.
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    Nov 20, 2009 2:21 AM GMT
    What ever happened Separation between Church and State?
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    Nov 20, 2009 2:22 AM GMT
    Well it's not all bad it has it's flaws but what doesn't.
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    Nov 20, 2009 2:23 AM GMT
    Rodmramer saidWhat ever happened Separation between Church and State?


    IDK what happened to "Liberty and Justice for all"?

    Isn't that the question?
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    Nov 20, 2009 2:24 AM GMT
    BUT I'm not defending the Church either


    I'm just saying.
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    Nov 20, 2009 2:28 AM GMT
    Rodmramer saidWhat ever happened Separation between Church and State?


    That’s what I keep asking my Congressmen, for a strict Constitutionalist, he is sorely lacking.
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    Nov 20, 2009 2:33 AM GMT
    czarodziej saidthe church enjoys nothing else if not throwing its weight around to get what it wants, even at the expense of those it claims to serve. if they're childish enough to threaten cessation of aid to the needy of DC, over an issue it should, by TRUE christian tenets of brotherhood and love, be in support of in the first place.... it shows how weak, hypocritical, and petty it really is... as well as just how much of a hollow propagandist show the charities really are to begin with. what a crapulous organization.



    who would want to willingly align themselves with that, much less trust their souls' health to it?

    i hope it passes (obviously) and that they DO withdraw mass support in the city- it'll show how rotten and hypocritical they really are, how little they really care for the needy, what lengths they'll go to deny simple civil rights to people who are different, and alienate all those they seek to bully.


    There are some really nice Catholics, but the organization itself is built on a false belief system which is very similar to the religious belief system of the Pharisees, which Jesus repeatedly condemned and which led to their hatred of him and which eventually led them to seek his death. Before taking him to Caiphas and Pilate, they tried to throw him off a cliff. Just as the religious teachers at the time of Jesus were misleading the people, so the Roman Catholic Church is doing the same today.
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    Nov 20, 2009 2:46 AM GMT
    Space_Cowboy_89 said
    Rodmramer saidWhat ever happened Separation between Church and State?


    IDK what happened to "Liberty and Justice for all"?

    Isn't that the question?


    nope. Every religion has own view except Islam doesn't separate from its State
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    Nov 20, 2009 3:16 AM GMT
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    Rodmramer said
    Space_Cowboy_89 said
    Rodmramer saidWhat ever happened Separation between Church and State?


    IDK what happened to "Liberty and Justice for all"?

    Isn't that the question?


    nope. Every religion has own view except Islam doesn't separate from its State



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    Nov 20, 2009 3:19 AM GMT
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    Rodmramer said
    Space_Cowboy_89 said
    Rodmramer saidWhat ever happened Separation between Church and State?


    IDK what happened to "Liberty and Justice for all"?

    Isn't that the question?


    nope. Every religion has own view except Islam doesn't separate from its State



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