Is it a choice?

  • bmw0

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    Nov 12, 2009 10:48 PM GMT


    Kudo's to whomever made this...
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    Nov 13, 2009 12:21 AM GMT
    Funny I myself have talked about homosexuality, in much the same way this dose. I blame the women who gave birth to me body for deciding my sexuality. I never had a choice.

    But then what dose it say about the bisexuals, was the transition not complete with them? As they are the ones with a choice?
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    Nov 13, 2009 12:51 AM GMT
    George is hot for a cartoon
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    Nov 13, 2009 12:55 AM GMT
    I sure don't remember being asked my preference.
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    Nov 13, 2009 1:09 AM GMT
    well who choice to be straight right, no one. Your just born like that.
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    Nov 13, 2009 1:14 AM GMT
    I am gay. It's the way that I am. Would I have chosen to not be teased and felt alone and insecure the way that being gay made me feel... Most likely. Now that I'm an adult and make adult decisions, (both good and bad) I would say it's not a decision thing. It's a product of my genetics and upbringing. I'm chuckling. I really want to tell "crazy head" (the mother) that it's all her fault!!!!
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    Nov 13, 2009 1:18 AM GMT
    joshypants saidwell who choice to be straight right, no one. Your just born like that.


    thats right, a straight person has as much choice as a homosexual.
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    Nov 13, 2009 1:23 AM GMT
    joshypants saidwell who choice to be straight right, no one. Your just born like that.

    The right-wingers believe everyone is born straight; there are no variations. Straight is the default, to use the terminology of the computer. If you are gay, it's because you chose to select a "custom setting" regarding your sexuality.

    This falsehood about choice is in large part why gays meet so much opposition from the straight world. It's also why minorities are hostile when gays try to draw parallels with their own struggles for civil rights, and why they offer so little support to us.

    Minorities are born a certain color that's obvious to see, or have an ethnic background one can physically trace. Being gay is not so tangible nor provable. Hence we find no solidarity or allies among those who have fought civil rights struggles before us. We are viewed as mere pretenders to our oppressed condition, since we brought it upon ourselves.

    Needless to say I believe... no, I KNOW, that I was born gay. But until the rest of society accepts that, I very much doubt the gay rights struggle will ever be won.
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    Nov 13, 2009 1:44 AM GMT
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    joshypants saidwell who choice to be straight right, no one. Your just born like that.

    The right-wingers believe everyone is born straight; there are no variations. Straight is the default, to use the terminology of the computer. If you are gay, it's because you chose to select a "custom setting" regarding your sexuality.

    This falsehood about choice is in large part why gays meet so much opposition from the straight world. It's also why minorities are hostile when gays try to draw parallels with their own struggles for civil rights, and why they offer so little support to us.

    Minorities are born a certain color that's obvious to see, or have an ethnic background one can physically trace. Being gay is not so tangible nor provable. Hence we find no solidarity or allies among those who have fought civil rights struggles before us. We are viewed as mere pretenders to our oppressed condition, since we brought it upon ourselves.

    Needless to say I believe... no, I KNOW, that I was born gay. But until the rest of society accepts that, I very much doubt the gay rights struggle will ever be won.


    Thats why there is the B in the GLBT, to include you too.

    I know I was born gay, and that why I have never been able to take a wife, and live a life of being accepted. But being a pure homosexual, I never had that choice, or ability, because I am a homosexual. But even my bisexual brother who is a pseudo straight guy, who stands under the banner of straight, and if ever he was to get a boyfriend, I would not embrace him as my gay brother.

    But I would forever remind him of the choices he had, and you too, that I never did being born a pure homosexual., and not a bisexual. But why would one do this, because Russell, has no issue with introducing me as his gay brother, and not his brother, yet he is a pseudo hetrosexual, a bisexual, and if I was to do this to him, it would be outrage, and he would won't too hurt me too.

    Not having a go either.
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    Nov 13, 2009 5:03 AM GMT
    That cartoon was funny, and pretty good I read about this stuff when I was younger. I do come a Christian family, and am one myself... When my uncle came out, and when I told everyone about the guy I'm in love with, and my brother (I have 4 of them) the same.. Nobody thought it was a choice, nobody tried to make us feel bad, and just basically didn't give a shit... Well not in a "I don't care about you kind of way" lol, they just didn't think it was a big deal.

    I sure as hell don't think god hates me, or I'm going to hell rofl.. Again that's only crap hateful extremist would say.. Just ask em if the hate and exclusion in their hearts that they reflect with their words, and actions. Is something Jesus would condone. They get pretty quiet then icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 15, 2009 4:19 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    joshypants saidwell who choice to be straight right, no one. Your just born like that.

    The right-wingers believe everyone is born straight; there are no variations. Straight is the default, to use the terminology of the computer. If you are gay, it's because you chose to select a "custom setting" regarding your sexuality.

    This falsehood about choice is in large part why gays meet so much opposition from the straight world. It's also why minorities are hostile when gays try to draw parallels with their own struggles for civil rights, and why they offer so little support to us.

    Minorities are born a certain color that's obvious to see, or have an ethnic background one can physically trace. Being gay is not so tangible nor provable. Hence we find no solidarity or allies among those who have fought civil rights struggles before us. We are viewed as mere pretenders to our oppressed condition, since we brought it upon ourselves.


    Except black people and people of other colors brought it upon themselves as well, God made them that way because of their sins and the sins of their fathers, so they deserve what they get.

    Oh you don't believe me? Prove it! See, same problem.

    Also, interracial couples choose to be in that kind of relationship, so why should their marriages be respected, since they chose to be in such a relationship to begin with? Why should we have to accommodate them and the lifestyle choices they are making and throw the norm all out of whack in regard to marriage for their selfish choices?

    How about denying religious rights because believing in a certain religion is obviously a choice?

    See, the choice argument is a false one.

    Black people who don't understand how the struggle for gay rights is the same as any other civil rights struggle including their own do so out of ignorance and bigotry against people that are not like themselves. It's that simple and that unfortunate.

    Even if being gay was proven to not be a choice, that wouldn't change the minds of people who are morally against it. It would instead just justify finding treatment for it to correct it.
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    Nov 15, 2009 4:28 AM GMT
    I remember seeing this flick...very moving...great stories done right when the process was occurring (of coming out to families)...some tales were sad and others weren't so
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    Nov 15, 2009 4:32 AM GMT
    Anto said
    Except black people and people of other colors brought it upon themselves as well, God made them that way because of their sins and the sins of their fathers, so they deserve what they get.




    I missed the part where you prefaced this by saying "here's a joke I once heard ..."
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    Nov 15, 2009 4:45 AM GMT
    I really enjoyed the video, but I am the oldest...the first born, and the GAY one. My brother, the baby, was 3rd born and is the straight one and my sister in the middle is straight too...
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    Nov 15, 2009 5:22 AM GMT
    Sporty_g saidI really enjoyed the video, but I am the oldest...the first born, and the GAY one. My brother, the baby, was 3rd born and is the straight one and my sister in the middle is straight too...
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm the oldest of 3 also, so out the window with that the youngest is more likely to be gay theory. Maybe we should go back to 'our fathers neglected us in our first few years of life' theory !!! LOL !!! Don't really care cause I is what I is and i is gay!!!
  • gallus81

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    Nov 15, 2009 5:38 AM GMT
    I'm the middle child, between two sisters.

    It'd be interesting to hear a scientific view on birth order when it comes to only boys with sisters.

    I'm sure someone has written a thesis on it somewhere.
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    Nov 15, 2009 5:38 AM GMT
    The hardship and adversity that come with same sex attraction is in surmountable. I was blessed to be born a guy that likes other guys. I am actually thankful for it. I know what it's like to try to make the change. I got married to a woman and it failed. I like men...so see...I could not change that.

    The idea that in my stage of life that I should be some celibate priest or something other than who I am IS an absurd notion and out of the question.

    I gave up way to much already. If I was not supposed to have sex, because I am gay..why then did I GET A COCK...to use it a few times and retire it?

    FUCK NO....Do straight people stop having sex after the kids are gone??

    NOOOO.....They fuck like rabbits. So I say celebrate who you are. Dance like there is no tomorrow. Live like you do not give a shit who's watching and most of all...do not be ashamed of being a homosexual.

    Look around the world and see all the variety...we are among that variety!!

    LONG LIVE COCK LOVING MEN!
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    Nov 15, 2009 5:45 AM GMT
    Mystic_Man saidThe hardship and adversity that come with same sex attraction is in surmountable. I was blessed to be born a guy that likes other guys. I am actually thankful for it. I know what it's like to try to make the change. I got married to a woman and it failed. I like men...so see...I could not change that.

    The idea that in my stage of life that I should be some celibate priest or something other than who I am an absurd notion and out of the question.

    I gave up way to much already. If I was not supposed to have sex, because I am gay..why then did I GET A COCK...to use it a few times and retire it?

    FUCK NO....Do straight people stop having sex after the kids are gone??

    NOOOO.....They fuck like rabbits. So I say celebrate who you are. Dance like there is no tomorrow. Live like you do not give a shit who's watching and most of all...do not be ashamed of being a homosexual.

    Look around the world and see all the variety...we are among that variety!!

    LONG LIVE COCK LOVING MEN!


    Wow thanks, this just put a smile on my face!
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    Nov 15, 2009 6:03 AM GMT
    i clearly remember when i chose to be gay.
    it was a tuesday and we had tuna casserole for dinner...
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    Nov 15, 2009 1:52 PM GMT
    gallus81 said
    Anto said
    Except black people and people of other colors brought it upon themselves as well, God made them that way because of their sins and the sins of their fathers, so they deserve what they get.




    I missed the part where you prefaced this by saying "here's a joke I once heard ..."


    It wasn't a joke but a point!
    People will try to find a reason to justify how they feel; that they see as a separation from themselves and others.
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    Nov 15, 2009 1:56 PM GMT
    xassantex saidi clearly remember when i chose to be gay.
    it was a tuesday and we had tuna casserole for dinner...


    Ha ha ha ha l love that!

    l was the youngest and so is my b/f?
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    Nov 15, 2009 2:00 PM GMT
    Whether it's a choice or not is irrelevant and we'd be better off dismissing the whole argument. It is simply nobody else's fucking business what you do with your dick, ass, vagina, tits or mouth and that's what people need to be told. That's the ugly truth - it's just none of your fucking business, Gladys Kravitz.
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    Nov 15, 2009 2:01 PM GMT


    I think that about says it all...
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    Nov 15, 2009 2:10 PM GMT
    McGay saidWhether it's a choice or not is irrelevant and we'd be better off dismissing the whole argument. It is simply nobody else's fucking business what you do with your dick, ass, vagina, tits or mouth and that's what people need to be told. That's the ugly truth - it's just none of your fucking business, Gladys Kravitz.


    icon_lol.gif Really - what if I DID choose? It doesn't matter because it's my constitutional right to pursue happiness - so the point is MOOT - just a pointless endless arguement.

    Where does it end? No hetrosexual anal? No piercings? Tatoos?
    Hair dye? No breast feeding?

    The truth behind concern/fixation behind the behaviour of others is that these people just don't want (ie are too lazy, childish or cowardly) to examine themselves.
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    Nov 15, 2009 2:18 PM GMT
    PDBrainiac said

    I think that about says it all...



    LMFAO! Gotta use that line sometime....icon_lol.gif