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    Nov 14, 2009 10:18 AM GMT
    www.Gay American Heroes.com icon_cool.gif
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    Nov 14, 2009 4:06 PM GMT

    Here you go, Pattison. icon_wink.gif

    http://www.gayamericanheroes.info
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    Nov 14, 2009 10:54 PM GMT
    theantijock said
    www.Gay American Heroes.com27 Year old straight man picks up (a 68 year old) gay man at a well known gay beach in Fort Lauderdale, FL. Agrees to "hook up" and goes back to gay man’s home and Strangles him To DEATH with his bare hands. Robs gay man’s home and is found days later in a Straight Stripper bar in Miami spending gay mans money....

    All people who live honestly about their sexual orientation or gender
    identity are heroic, as it takes great strength and courage to face the daily
    struggles for personal freedom in the face of enormous opposition; to
    ultimately give their life for said freedom makes them-- HEROES.


    Sorry to say but a 68 year old guy picking up some kid on the beach for a quickie at his place is kind of an example of risk, not of being a hero.


    Many aspects of the homosexual and bisexual communities involves risk.

    Leaving a gay bar with another person who you may not even know their name, is risky; many people who met Jeff Dahmer, are testament to this, as he was a young good looking guy.

    Some people may suggest that what happened to Mr Shepherd was dew to him taking a risk, that led t to his demise too.

    I've known people who have done a beat; big risk. They meet a guy, give him a head job, and them the guy has beaten the shit out of them for being fags. They did not know it was a self loathing bisexual they were about to give a head job to, and once his frustration was gone, the guilt set in.

    Everytime I drive my car, it involes risk too, from accents to road rage, but just because I've taken the risk of diving my car, doen't give another the right to take my life, or my car.
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    Nov 15, 2009 9:58 AM GMT
    Anyone that meets anyone is subject to risk. Gay, straight, whatever. For every Jeffrey Dahmer there is a straight Ted Bundy that seems perfectly normal. People get killed all the time, straight or gay, by family, friends and coworkers. It is not the fault of the victims. Who assumes that someone is harboring a murderous rage? Be smart, yes. But do not blame victims of freaking murderers. It could be the 68yo picking up a guy or it could be the 22yo meeting someone at a party. No one knows, obviously. People get killed by the most innocent seeming people all the time.
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    Nov 15, 2009 10:29 AM GMT
    Triggerman saidAnyone that meets anyone is subject to risk. Gay, straight, whatever. For every Jeffrey Dahmer there is a straight Ted Bundy that seems perfectly normal. People get killed all the time, straight or gay, by family, friends and coworkers. It is not the fault of the victims. Who assumes that someone is harboring a murderous rage? Be smart, yes. But do not blame victims of freaking murderers. It could be the 68yo picking up a guy or it could be the 22yo meeting someone at a party. No one knows, obviously. People get killed by the most innocent seeming people all the time.


    Correct, it could be a husband, a wife, a mother, father, son. Evil has even worn a cross.
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    Nov 15, 2009 10:50 AM GMT
    Evil has worn a tuxedo. It makes no difference. Evil people come in many and every form. Cross, Star of David, Human Rights Campaign Sticker, Red Cross, Sierra Club bumpersticker. There are bad people everywhere. Time for people to wake up. Sociopaths look like everyone.

    Not to say you should not be stupid and put yourself in dangerous situations. I assume that is obvious enough. But if you will be murdered, most likely it is from someone you would not expect. Watch Forensic Files or Court TV. Most people are not killed by random strangers in a dark park.
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    Nov 15, 2009 4:04 PM GMT

    I think in this instance the site's definition of heroic was stated as simply being gay openly in an oppressive environment, and dying as a result.

    "All people who live honestly about their sexual orientation or gender
    identity are heroic, as it takes great strength and courage to face the daily
    struggles for personal freedom in the face of enormous opposition; to
    ultimately give their life for said freedom makes them-- HEROES."

    The man did not deliberately give his life for the freedom to be gay
    (which would have been, to me, truly heroic), but did die by being gay and acting on it.

    You make a great point. He could have been deeply in the closet and this still would have happened, which would have nothing to do with being a hero, but everything to do with being victim of a heinous crime... regrettably many people equate the word victim with weak, so I think the somewhat incorrect use of heroic is used..


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    Nov 15, 2009 9:18 PM GMT
    theantijock saidI didn't say he deserved to die. I didn't deny that we all take a risk just getting out of bed in the morning.

    But the generally accepted hallmark of a hero is risking one's own life to the benefit of another, not to swallow the cum of some kid 40 years your junior. It is the selfless act, not the act of satisfying yourself.

    Risking your life and losing it thusly is unfortunate, sad, maybe even an embarrassment. An online pamphlet trying to elevate that as heroic has not garnered my support.


    please do not think one was having a go, as I was not. The one thing wrong with communicating via this way, with such in depth topics is, you don't get to see the persons face, or body language, things that help us interpret a person when you are face to face. So some people may thinks the way I put things across seems harsh, but they are missing out on a lot too.
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    Nov 15, 2009 9:45 PM GMT
    I checked out that website. The first memorial on the list was Ryan Skipper....

    I am still haunted by what happened to him, because it was close to home. Winter Haven, where he lived, is a rather small town, and I lived there for 2 years, only having left about a year prior to his murder.

    It bothers me that his killers could not be charged with a hate crime. And it also bothers me that his story has been largely overlooked as people still use Matthew Sheppard as the poster boy for hate crimes. Matthew was not the only victim of an anti gay hate crime, and it is good that more awareness is being raised on this subject.
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    Nov 15, 2009 10:00 PM GMT
    I think they should include some people that weren't... you know... murdered.

    Martyrdom isn't the only way to be heroic... and it's kind of morbid to have a website dedicated just to people who were murdered, especially considering very little information is provided about most of these people.
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    Nov 16, 2009 1:46 AM GMT
    mcwclewis saidI think they should include some people that weren't... you know... murdered.

    Martyrdom isn't the only way to be heroic... and it's kind of morbid to have a website dedicated just to people who were murdered, especially considering very little information is provided about most of these people.


    There is some truth in your words.

    I feel it has more to do with keeping the memories of them alive, so they don't die altogether, and just become forgotten; because thats when we truly are dead.
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    Nov 18, 2009 2:04 AM GMT
    Maybe it is just me. And maybe it is where I live. To me, and I have been out for 20 years, that in and of it self is not heroic. Maybe brave sometimes, but not heroic.

    To me a hero disregards his/her own personal safety to save someone else. Period. Saving yourself is not heroic. Putting yourself in harm's way and getting out of a bad situation is not heroic.

    Disregarding your own safety for someone else is heroic. Pulling someone out of a burning building. Jumping into a river to save people in a submerged car is heroic. A hero, to me, disregards their own safety for someone else when there is a huge risk for taking that action. That is heroic. That is heroism. Coming out when you are afraid that your Grandmother will disown you? Brave. But not heroic. We call people heros too lightly. Being Brave is a great thing. But it is not always heroic. Coming out when you are in the Military? Brave, but not heroic.