Drag Queens: Funny or Scary?

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    Nov 16, 2009 10:10 AM GMT
    I'm all about people expressing themselves however they see fit. While I might not always want to participate in said expression, I do appreciate one's right to do so. And even encourage it.

    That being said, drag queens freak me the fuck out. I think it has to do with a childhood fear of clowns and one late night viewing of Stephen King's IT. When you really think about it, aren't drag queens just really gay clowns? Even down to that there objective is to make people laugh. Unfortunately, all I see when I look at drag queens are the sharpened teeth of Tim Curry behind an evil red lipstick smile.

    Anyone else feel the way I do about this?
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    Nov 16, 2009 10:53 AM GMT
    yea about the clowns - I remember going to the circus and seeing the other kids laughing and all I could see was filthy costumes with thick makeup smeared over beard stubble, I could smell thier breath when they came up to me and it smelled like sour whiskey and smokes ( actually this IS starting to sound like drag ) Anyway it seemed like an early indication that I saw the world differently - But about the drag queens - sometimes really funnny, but scary?
    The only thing that scared me is that I've met some who are severely damaged and extremely pissed off.
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    Nov 16, 2009 11:04 AM GMT
    Sorry, no. I think you just haven't been around enough drag queens.

    I won't be all "you bastard! you should support our whole community..." and all that jazz...I just think you should "get over it" and find some super-duper-flaming-faggoty-queens and buy them a beer.

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    Nov 16, 2009 12:38 PM GMT
    It's my observation that they're scary only when you mistreat them.
    Most of the time, they are fun.... and funny when they deliberately ham it up.
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    Nov 16, 2009 12:42 PM GMT
    I think you need to interact with a better class of drag queen.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Nov 16, 2009 12:44 PM GMT
    Some of them are great, but then at the same time, some are awful and make me uncomfortable. I get that they are having fun and play around with them, but the boys that go to the bar dressed as females really creep me out. They can do their own thing, but I don't want transvestites touching me inappropritely or giving me the eyes. I have no problems with drag queens touching me or giving me the up and down. It's more for show.
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    Nov 16, 2009 1:19 PM GMT
    I agree drag queens can turn a corner on your real quick if you piss them off. That being said, one of my best friends makes a great living as a drag queen in NYC and he is an amazing person. I know him as the smart, articulate, well educated person he is, so it is easy for me to separate the two. Mind you, although he is all those things, I've found he is not the majority. There are some messed up queens out there! Regardless I can appreciate a good drag show here and there!
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    Nov 16, 2009 1:37 PM GMT
    terrifying.
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    Nov 16, 2009 2:06 PM GMT
    Some are really nice. Some look great. Some aren't very nice. Some look horrible. Some need to learn that just because they put on a wig doesn't mean the world suddenly revolves around them.
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    Nov 16, 2009 2:47 PM GMT
    I was involved with drag for a number of years, doing a little onstage myself, but mostly producing and handling show lighting, especially running follow spot light which I really like to do. I got to know many, many drag entertainers, and in fact, was just on the phone last night with a retired one and his partner, very close friends of my late partner & me when we all lived in the same city.

    Queens are curious creatures, with a wide range of personality types. I most respect the ones with real talent and performance dedication, but conversely greatly dislike those who are nothing more than attitude and mouth.

    My current partner has a special hatred for queens who think it's shockingly funny for a glamorous woman to get up on stage, and out of her mouth suddenly comes - gross potty talk. Well, hun, it's been done to death, and by girls better than you, so why don't you really shock us with a display of talent?

    My own worst peeve about queens is their notorious lateness & general unreliability. Running drag shows, I never knew who would show up that we'd scheduled, and they'd think nothing of arriving past our showtime after having sent us into a panic, then expect the audience to patiently wait while they got ready. Who'd they think they were, Madonna? Oh, right, some of them did.

    My second peeve are the ones with truly clownish and exaggerated makeup and outfits, sorta like Mrs. Ronald McDonald does Project Runway. To me that's mocking women, not honoring or emulating them. I realize some purists make a distinction between drag and female impersonation, but I feel that difference really has more to do with the place than the person.

    If you're gonna be a woman, make it a believable woman, not some nightmarish interpretation of a woman. And if you're gonna try it on a stage, then behave with professionalism, before, during and after the show.
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    Nov 16, 2009 4:34 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidI think you need to interact with a better class of drag queen.icon_rolleyes.gif

    Im not sure if there is such a thing.

    I cant stand drag queens. Most of them are talentless. I REALLY cant stand drag pageants where they give them a "title" for basically being whore clowns and sorostitute wanna-bes.
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    Nov 16, 2009 4:42 PM GMT


    I've seen drag queens from Halifax, Nova Scotia, to Sydney, Australia, and throughout the US and Canada, and dislike "the show" aspect of most of them. Most of them are terrible. But I've known some drag queens who were wonderful people, as the dress does not make the man.

    But I used to feel blind-sided if I went to a club and the highlight was a drag show. (I've not gone to a club in many years, so I don't know how popular this still is.) The "shows" and the lewdness seemed so unnecessary to me, so "desperate" to me, and I'm not sure the crowds ever really felt that positive about it. But there was/is? always a coterie of admirers hooting, so to each his own.

    I also acknowledge that an awful lot of the fund-raising in the gay "community" is done by the performers or during their performance.


    I am also "on edge" around clowns - thought I was the only one til Seinfeld's Kramer told Jerry - but also very uncomfortable, to the point of an anxiety attack, around mascots, people dressed up as chickens shilling BBQ take-out... that sort of thing. So, my neuroses may be more common than I think.

    On my blog BI-FOCAL VIEWS (michaelofbreton.blogspot.com) I also write about my dislike for gay parades, mostly because of the drag queens.

    So, in the end, I like to live and let live, but I must feel "threatened" by the drag queens, or fearful that one day I'll wake up and feel compelled to become one! I really don't know the genesis of my general squeamishness, but I can't even talk to one (in costume). But I'm also squeamish around women in burkas. So perhaps I just like to see the real deal rather than a hidden face. (You can imagine what a hoot I am at Hallowe'en.)

    Michael in Nova Scotia

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    Nov 16, 2009 4:47 PM GMT
    And here I thought I was the only one who was afraid of drag queens. I don't know what it is... I'm not even afraid of clowns, but for some reason they just really freak me out.

    As you said though, I'm all for expressing oneself, and totally support their lifestyle regardless icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 16, 2009 4:48 PM GMT
    abm1985 saidI'm all about people expressing themselves however they see fit. While I might not always want to participate in said expression, I do appreciate one's right to do so. And even encourage it.

    That being said, drag queens freak me the fuck out. I think it has to do with a childhood fear of clowns and one late night viewing of Stephen King's IT. When you really think about it, aren't drag queens just really gay clowns? Even down to that there objective is to make people laugh. Unfortunately, all I see when I look at drag queens are the sharpened teeth of Tim Curry behind an evil red lipstick smile.

    Anyone else feel the way I do about this?



    It depends on the town you're in, I think. Drag queens in Seattle, for the most part, look like a hot mess. Clown isn't even close to a proper description. However, LA has some amazing looking drag queens and many of them are really funny.
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    Nov 16, 2009 6:22 PM GMT
    The more outrageous ones are freaky but some look amazing.

    Miss Peppermint in NYC looks good.
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    DJ Lady Bunny on the other hand is a Fucken Ugly Mess. (Just my opinion).
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    Nov 16, 2009 6:26 PM GMT
    AHH!!! HOLY SHIT BALLS, IT'S GON' EAT ME! ...terror
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    Nov 16, 2009 6:26 PM GMT
    Funny

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    Nov 16, 2009 6:29 PM GMT
    Is that you Frodo? It's the nose and the ears heheh
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    Nov 16, 2009 6:29 PM GMT
    MeOhMy saidFunny



    I AM BIZZAY!

    It's so satisfying to see the look of affront when you say it to someone.
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    Nov 16, 2009 6:30 PM GMT
    Scary in so many ways that I don't know where to start. Oh, yes I do. Drag shows set equality and assimilation back every time one is presented in public. Yes yes I know Stonewall blah blah blah, but dear God can't we move on past insulting stereotypes? Those that came before us, including gender confused pretty boys, sacrificed so much that we could come of age without that confusion, or even the need to conform to what the larger society insisted that we be...
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    Nov 16, 2009 6:35 PM GMT
    Annoying and not entertaining in the least bit.

    Not a form of entertainment I enjoy. Nor are drag kings.

    Good talented performers of any kind sure, but hacks dressed up in perverse and unappealing ways? No. Loved Red Vespa's comment about Ronald McDonald meets Project Runway. BINGO.

    I never go to drag shows because I find them banal, uninteresting, and unenjoyable.
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    Nov 16, 2009 6:56 PM GMT
    abm1985 saidAnyone else feel the way I do about this?

    You just sang my song, I feel exactly the same way.

    joeyveras saidIt depends on the town you're in, I think. Drag queens in Seattle, for the most part, look like a hot mess. Clown isn't even close to a proper description. However, LA has some amazing looking drag queens and many of them are really funny.

    Funny you say that, I think the same thing exactly. I lived in Vegas for many years and the drag queens there were pretty amazing. For the most part they were versed in performance and were very professional in how they dealt with people (because most of them made a living in drag).
    In SF few make a living in drag, I'm always horrified by the ones that do it just for "fun". They seem to use it as an escape from reality and use an obnoxious persona as a reason to disengage from general rules of social engagement. That's my general observation but I'm sure there are exceptions
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    Nov 16, 2009 7:00 PM GMT
    Man, I just hope the drag queens don't abandon us when things get violent. I wouldn't want to count on your average str8 acting, masculine, gay guy to have my back in a fight.
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    Nov 16, 2009 7:05 PM GMT
    JP85257 saidsorostitute wanna-bes.


    I think I'm in love.
  • jrs1

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    Nov 16, 2009 7:44 PM GMT

    drag queens: funny and scary; integral but not integrated.