Is Soy Protein good for building muscle

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    Nov 16, 2009 3:34 PM GMT
    I am lactose intolerant so would taking Soy Protein help me bulk up and get bigger
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    Nov 16, 2009 6:01 PM GMT

    Soy is not optimal for bodybuilding, but it is a good complement. I am not sure whey protein contains lactose, though? You could always contact a producer and ask.
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    Nov 16, 2009 7:39 PM GMT
    I don't think soy protein is all that great, and should not be your primary source for protein. If you're not a vegetarian, stick with meat proteins from actual food.

    If you want to supplement your nutrition with protein shakes, they do make whey isolate protein powders and drinks. It's much easier on the stomach for those that are lactose intolerant.

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    Nov 16, 2009 8:32 PM GMT
    Thanks guys
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    Nov 16, 2009 9:17 PM GMT
    From what I have read, whey protein isolate (not concentrate) has very little lactose in it and is safe for most people with a lactose intolerance.

    But, I would pick egg protein over soy for the reasons MMTM stated.
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    Feb 27, 2012 6:10 PM GMT
    Soy protein shakes can be a great boost to your immune system

    As beneficial as soy protein shakes can be, they should never be used as a replacement for other protein sources. Bodybuilders should still rely on top quality protein drinks, like Profect as their primary supplements. However, soy protein shakes make a great companion to other, higher quality protein drinks and foods. Don’t quit using protein supplements and drinks, like Profect to make room for soy protein drinks. Instead, a good idea would be to add a few soy protein shakes to your regular diet to take advantage of some of the health benefits that soy protein offers. Building muscle requires a complete nutritional plan. The scientific facts don’t lie – soy protein shakes can be a huge benefit for bodybuilders and non-bodybuilders alike, so give them a try for your health’s sake.
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    Feb 27, 2012 9:36 PM GMT
    I am lactose intolerant and I have no problems with whey. I would suggest you just try it and see if it agrees or disagrees with you. There are people that have problem with whey but I don't think it's related to lactose intolerance.

    I would recommend egg protein over soy however, for the reasons stated above.
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    Feb 27, 2012 9:50 PM GMT
    While its not as highly looked upon quality-wise as some of the other brands, I've been taking Muscle Milk due to it being lactose free. The Light version has less calories than others and doesn't taste too terrible.
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    Feb 27, 2012 9:59 PM GMT
    I drink soy milk and use tofu and eat dried soy beans etc. I still eat a lot of chicken and eggs and other things but my testicles are doing great so there can't be that much estrogen resulting from soy.

    Not to mention I've been having great progress at the gym. The soy thing is largely based on studies taken out of context by people that see the word estrogen and go into panic attacks.

    Here's a link to a really good write up on soy. Its certainly not necessary but as one person posted, there are definite benefits to soy. Also, something that we seem to forget over here in the western world - soy is not some crazy freaky food - its been part of a natural diet for centuries.

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ivan3.htm

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=4150033&page=1
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    Feb 27, 2012 9:59 PM GMT
    Soy is not good for you. Eating mostly fermented soy products in moderation (like in Asia) is fine and even healthy. Eating it like we do here in the States (soy burgers, soy lattes, everything soy) is bad. There's tons of evidence and studies out there showing soy's negative effects on health. A few friends of mine are in the health care field and they actively discourage their patients from using soy products due to a wide variety of health concerns.

    I'm lactose intolerant too and recently discovered Vega Sport protein. It's the first protein powder that digests well for me. Check it out:

    http://vegasport.com/

    Created by a vegan athlete - and even he doesn't use soy. Should tell you something.
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    Feb 27, 2012 10:02 PM GMT
    cheap whey usually contains lactose
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    Feb 27, 2012 10:04 PM GMT
    TahoeAthlete saidSoy is not good for you. Eating mostly fermented soy products in moderation (like in Asia) is fine and even healthy. Eating it like we do here in the States (soy burgers, soy lattes, everything soy) is bad. There's tons of evidence and studies out there showing soy's negative effects on health. A few friends of mine are in the health care field and they actively discourage their patients from using soy products due to a wide variety of health concerns.

    I'm lactose intolerant too and recently discovered Vega Sport protein. It's the first protein powder that digests well for me. Check it out:

    http://vegasport.com/

    Created by a vegan athlete - and even he doesn't use soy. Should tell you something.


    What should it tell us? That by virtue of being vegan he's infallible and couldn't possibly fall victim to misinformation?
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    Feb 27, 2012 10:05 PM GMT
    I'm lactose intolerant as well but I use Stronger, Faster, Healthier post-workout protein powder. It does have very small amounts of lactose (0.8g/scoop) in it but I've never noticed any problem with it. I'd be way more worried about excess estrogin and give whey protein a shot first. I mix it with sugar free coconut milk and it tastes pretty good.

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    Feb 27, 2012 10:06 PM GMT
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    TahoeAthlete saidSoy is not good for you. Eating mostly fermented soy products in moderation (like in Asia) is fine and even healthy. Eating it like we do here in the States (soy burgers, soy lattes, everything soy) is bad. There's tons of evidence and studies out there showing soy's negative effects on health. A few friends of mine are in the health care field and they actively discourage their patients from using soy products due to a wide variety of health concerns.

    I'm lactose intolerant too and recently discovered Vega Sport protein. It's the first protein powder that digests well for me. Check it out:

    http://vegasport.com/

    Created by a vegan athlete - and even he doesn't use soy. Should tell you something.


    What should it tell us? That by virtue of being vegan he's infallible and couldn't possibly fall victim to misinformation?


    Nope. That he recognizes that regular soy use leads to all sorts of low grade and chronic health problems (bad hair, bad skin, digestive issues, food allergies, and the list goes on) and that it's far from a healthy food.
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    Feb 27, 2012 10:09 PM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI'd avoid it. Estrogen mimics estrogen in the body and can not only cause hormonal problems but can also hinder gains related to estrogen build up in the body.

    I'd stick to egg powder protein if you're not allergic to eggs.


    I was about to say this. I read something in GQ about Soy being related to increased estrogen. Also not that it usually matters in our case but soy also lowers sperm count.
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    Feb 27, 2012 10:12 PM GMT
    If you're interested in reading up on soy, check out "The Whole Soy Story":

    http://www.amazon.com/Whole-Soy-Story-Americas-Favorite/dp/0967089751/

    I haven't read the whole thing, but what I have read only further convinced me that soy is far, FAR from being a healthy food.

    From the book description:

    "A groundbreaking expose that tells the truth about soy that scientists know but that the soy industry has tried to suppress. Soy is not a health food, does not prevent disease and has not even been proven safe. Epidemiological, clinical and laboratory studies link soy to malnutrition, digestive problems, thyroid dysfunction, cognitive decline, reproductive disorders, even heart disease and cancer."
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    Feb 27, 2012 10:42 PM GMT
    TahoeAthlete saidIf you're interested in reading up on soy, check out "The Whole Soy Story":

    http://www.amazon.com/Whole-Soy-Story-Americas-Favorite/dp/0967089751/

    I haven't read the whole thing, but what I have read only further convinced me that soy is far, FAR from being a healthy food.

    From the book description:

    "A groundbreaking expose that tells the truth about soy that scientists know but that the soy industry has tried to suppress. Soy is not a health food, does not prevent disease and has not even been proven safe. Epidemiological, clinical and laboratory studies link soy to malnutrition, digestive problems, thyroid dysfunction, cognitive decline, reproductive disorders, even heart disease and cancer."



    I find it odd that the people who are the most obsessed with their health often use lots of soy products. Ironically, soy is the most overly processed food on the market, and yet it has this reputation for being healthy. The same goes for artificial sweeteners. Never understood how people can be so easily fooled.
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    Feb 27, 2012 11:30 PM GMT
    AHH! Estrogen
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    Feb 27, 2012 11:33 PM GMT
    Wow. This thread should be called "how to cast magic spells" for as much scientific evidence spouted in here. Akin to the witch trials, OMG A BEAN can provide healthier nourishment at a fraction of a cost and reduce the incidence of the most common diseases today we spend a fortune on, but that would kill the cattle industry if people actually liked it and didn't hold such antiquated views on the bean.

    I eat about 80 grams of soy per day and have been doing that since age 20. Whoever said "I have friends who work in health care that said..." well they should lose their license and stop practicing non-evidenced based nutrition. The studies on soy show nothing but good news. It's a complete protein and can be used in body building just as any high quality protein. The phytoestrogens in soy should be renamed because they are a different chemical from human estrogen and do not do anything similar.

    Do not get information from bodybuilding.com or other lay sources of literature. They are based on opinion, legend, and hearsay, which is this whole undead zombie of a soy myth that WON'T DIE.
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    Feb 27, 2012 11:57 PM GMT
    bluey2223 saidWow. This thread should be called "how to cast magic spells" for as much scientific evidence spouted in here. Akin to the witch trials, OMG A BEAN can provide healthier nourishment at a fraction of a cost and reduce the incidence of the most common diseases today we spend a fortune on, but that would kill the cattle industry if people actually liked it and didn't hold such antiquated views on the bean.

    I eat about 80 grams of soy per day and have been doing that since age 20. Whoever said "I have friends who work in health care that said..." well they should loose their license and stop practicing non-evidenced based nutrition. The studies on soy show nothing but good news. It's a complete protein and can be used in body building just as any high quality protein. The phytoestrogens in soy should be renamed because they are a different chemical from human estrogen and do not do anything similar.

    Do not get information from bodybuilding.com or other lay sources of literature. They are based on opinion, legend, and hearsay, which is this whole undead zombie of a soy myth that WON'T DIE.


    Ditto!
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    Feb 28, 2012 12:04 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidI'd avoid it. Estrogen mimics estrogen in the body and can not only cause hormonal problems but can also hinder gains related to estrogen build up in the body.

    I'd stick to egg powder protein if you're not allergic to eggs.



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    Feb 28, 2012 12:06 AM GMT
    You could always try beef protein, or even just bcaas after a workout and a TON of meat. I'd say casein could also work, but I'm not sure if it has lactose in it.
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    Feb 28, 2012 12:10 AM GMT
    Scruffypup saidI find it odd that the people who are the most obsessed with their health often use lots of soy products. Ironically, soy is the most overly processed food on the market, and yet it has this reputation for being healthy. The same goes for artificial sweeteners. Never understood how people can be so easily fooled.


    Totally. And you can always tell heavy soy users by looking at them. Skin and hair are the giveaways. They never "glow".

    What really sucks is that it's very hard to find any packaged food that doesn't contain some trace of soy these days. It's the universal filler/poison. Soy lecithin is in just about everything. I cringe when I read protein bar labels.
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    Feb 28, 2012 2:20 AM GMT
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    Totally. And you can always tell heavy soy users by looking at them. Skin and hair are the giveaways. They never "glow".



    This is ridiculous. Leave aside the fact that I've been, in one form or another vegan/vegetarian for over 15 years, there's no evidence to support your statement. Like was mentioned, soy is a complete protein and when eaten correctly is very healthy for you. Where it stops being healthy is in the overproduced way we here in America eat it. I'm sure there are people out there who are malnourished because of a crappy diet that may lead to whatever skin and hair factors you're judging them off of - but to say it's because they're "heavy soy users" assumes a lot. I know a ton of vegans that are anything but healthy because they eat a lot of crappy food on the go, ie: potato chips, fries, lots of starchy food etc. yet claim to be healthy because they're vegan. Veganism has little to do with what they look like, their bad diet does. Even if they ate meat they would still have a crappy diet because they lean towards pre-packaged convenience food. Like anything there, are right and wrong ways to do things.

    Also the notion that soy makes you grow moobs has been de-mythed time and time again. You would have to be eating so much soy that you basically were crapping edamame pods. Body building magazines and the like make their money in a large part from ads,and a lot of these companies that sell their supplments perpetuate this fear that soy will give you boobs, so stay away. BUT buy our stuff, like a man, and get totally ripped brah. It's just silly.
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    Feb 28, 2012 2:31 AM GMT
    ugabulls saidI am lactose intolerant so would taking Soy Protein help me bulk up and get bigger


    So am i, so i drink soy milk. I mix it with my protein powder, drink it after my workout, before bedtime, and when i wake up. Works wonders. icon_biggrin.gif