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For me it started with being that cute lovable boy always in center of attention and the fact that i was thin and admiring the musc. boys cuz of wanting to b like them but changed into attraction plus that in highschool i was surrounded by mean girls that were f...ing ugly(for real they were, i still like super sexy girls) and so boys were cool and had fun with.one thing that always got things badly was that my friends were to say not that attractive as i was (still am ;))
and were always left behind when meeting girls,so i started looking for good-looking friends and i guess it turn out diff. than i expected and of course a very important role had miss legendary Britney S.(explanation later on)
Now your turn...
Update: You ppl are so funny , you keep on saying you were born gay and give me examples that prove my theory.
)) Love u though
Update: ''it feels so good i don't wanna lose this feeling no matter what'', right?
But u ain't gonna baby , relax cuz it's just destiny that ...
Update i'm on mobile and tryin to keep it short and forgive misspelings ...
Update: i'm here 4 u
Update:You wish...
Biologicaly speaking the male is created to ''mate(and b attracted by the oposite sex)''with a female, so Don't U think it's something more complex?because it is, so do not Deny an entire history of the human specie!!!
P.S. Did i mention i was gay,i 'd almost forgot (gotta have sex now)
Update : can you control yourself?

Curiosity and a gorgeous guy at my old gym who made an offer i couldn't refuse

I believe I was born gay, tried to fight it my whole life and have finally accepted who I am and am out to everyone and living my life as me. I dont think everyone is born gay...maybe they become that way for one reason or another but I know I was born this way. I had a strong attraction for men as a young child before I even knew what sex was, but knew enough that my attraction was not "normal".

I too believe I was born gay.

I was definetly born gay!!

I was a very slow leaner (and maturer) and knew nothing about sex, was the only male in an all female family. I guess I must have been about 18 when a buddy amd I went out rabbiting. Through the night we were talking about this, that and the other, and suddenly I was (very gently) being raped. And enjoyed it. I have not come out, as I believe that it's only my business, and although I've never had any partners, I woould (I think) enjoy a night or two. Possibly more. But these days it's a bit difficult with HIV etc. I think that I would rather just enjoy a bloke's company and talk or listen. I love music and books and so can fill in my time.

I was born gay and for me it felt right and very normal. That was never the issue. It was other closed minded people telling me that it wasn't.

Thank GOD I always did what I wanted and never listened.

Other wise I would had girl friend, I could never be with a woman just to prove something to someone else or live that kind of lie.

I'm just talking about me. No anyone else, let me that clear before you guys blow a gasket!

I'm not talking about you because I don't know you.

bigmuscledone saidI was definetly born gay!!

Yeah but what do u think about: ''There is always an explanation ''

Ducky44 saidI was born gay ...

And i'm not saying that being gay is good or bad,normal or not ,just saying that there Is one thing or another that lead to this. peace ;)

Can't remember ever being different
I was gay before I even knew what sex was

Ok so you say ''it's just the way i was'' but since that was the first ''option''(later to be considered) u were presented to ,due to the enviroment, From That Point You jujded what it is ''different or not''.


P.S. Love is in the air

I dont think things in your environment can "turn" you gay. I wonder if what you're really asking is "what happened to make you notice your attraction to dudes?"

For me, when I was a kid my family belonged to a club, where we'd go every weekend and my parents would workout and my brothers and sisters and I would swim or play basketball or other sports. There was this older guy, Greg (he was probably about 25) and I thought he was the coolest dude ever, I know I even thought he was very good looking. Anyway, one day we had all been playing basketball, us kids, my parents and this guy and his friends. Afterwards I went into the showers with my dad and my brother. Greg was in there. I remember that my brother just rinsed off cause he was going swimming which left me and my dad and Greg in the shower. I can CLEARLY remember looking at his body and his dick and my dick getting rock hard. I dont think either of them noticed what I was looking at when I got hard, but eventually my dad noticed my boner.

He kinda laughed and said "you know...if you snap the end of that thing it'll go down." The other guy laughed too. I know my face was red, but I snapped it a few times. It hurt but didnt go away.

I dont remember what happened after that, but I do know I had my eye on Greg for a long time after that...

I think tommysguns has it right. I doubt many people on this believe they were turned gay.

For me, it would probably be my sitter that lived across the street. I think around this time he would have been in the his late teens early 20s. Anyways, he was a football player and marine, and I wouldn't say he was so much handsome ad he just had this allure around him. I was really drawn to him, and relished the time when he would come over, heh. I suppose it really hit home in high school back when I played football, when I had to hide my boner a few times in the locker room.

If you rephrased the question, "When did you first start to realize...." you might get different responses.

Like most of the other guys who've posted so far, I just am. When I first started to realize though was when I got a huge crush on a friend in 7th grade. Think Zach Morris from Saved by the Bell. I have consequently loved blonds ever since!

Gigaram saidIf you rephrased the question, "When did you first start to realize...." you might get different responses.

Like most of the other guys who've posted so far, I just am. When I first started to realize though was when I got a huge crush on a friend in 7th grade. Think Zach Morris from Saved by the Bell. I have consequently loved blonds ever since!

Zach? Really? ew... heh.

the devil made me do it

McGay saidthe devil made me do it

psh, I doubt he had to do much encouraging.

He was a handsome devil.

I won't lie, McGay, that one made me groan. You do have a way with puns.

Turned gay? Didn't realize I had a choice in the matter.

I am curious if, like Marcus and myself, all males with only female siblings turn out gay. Anyone know a straight guy who only has female siblings?
But again, I feel I was born gay. I have always had a queer attachment to members of the male species since third grade!

tommysguns2000 saidI dont think things in your environment can "turn" you

you don't but they do according to statistics on personality show that sociodemographical and historical factors affect ur sexuality.
Why are far more gay people in Open-Minded countries than in the rest.It's a continously process of influencing.

NWM-

Yes I said I was born gay and I stand by that. Do you still have sex women and are you totally out?

I'm having trouble undrstanding your point what are you saying?

Oh the young????

there are probably more gay people in open-minded countries because they are allowed to be out. who knows how many closet cases there are in the middle east.

Dear tommyguns2000, what made GREG the coolest guy and compared to Whom? You see there is a cause for every effect.( I'm not tryin to''turn''no one to str8 or gay cuz i like u just the way u are;) )
P.S. Well maybe str8 to gays ooops...

A better question is what makes straights straight? If they knew how great gay sex was they would surely change!

I am gay. I always Have been gay (Bizarro Senator Craig & me) The sexual aspect of my gayness became clear at puberty when my sex bits turned on.

It feels so good and I love the idea of man on man so I'm born homosexual. I get wood over a big dick and love getting sexual satisfaction by a member of the same sex. Plus the male body is just sooooooooooo gorgeous to me, especially when its in shape. UH I'm getting horny just thinking about it.

sexuality is a complicated issue.... I like the Kenzie scale theory... that all people are born somewhere on the scale of sexual orientation from 1 to 10 with 1 being completely straight and 10 being completely gay. I can remember thinking a boy was cute for the first time when I was five. You definitely can't say that I chose to be this way!

For me, I recall thinking my 4th grade teacher was hot. Not sexually (didn't know what that was) but was attracted to him and really liked him.

Sahidy, I grew up in a family with all brothers, I being the last. The SF Chronicle had an article once that indicated that if you were the youngest of a large family with multiple boys, you had a higher chance of being gay. Don't recall their reasoning, but would be interesting to see if others think that's true. And, would that indicate some "environmental" condition as opposed to being "born gay"?

I still think I was born this way...

Mudder Nature made me gay. I was gay from the time my daddy's spermatazoon knocked up my mommie's egg.

Watching Sonny and Cher turned me gay.

Ducky44 saidNWM-

Yes I said I was born gay and ...

Oh you are either in love or just enjoying life too much to let anything change that

sigp339 said (...) You definitely can't say that I chose to be this way!

i agree you don't choose , diff. factors turn u ;) u see ppl
Still one quest. What are the caracteristics of a gay born person ?(since there is only programmed behavior and later on comes personality that i repeat is an interference of bio-psiho-social factors )
And agreeing that there is only programmed behaviour, i bet no one of ur parents was gay.
P.S. If u don't want to admit, that is a different thing, I still love u ;)

I can't remember every being "straight" sexually. I did date a few girls when I was in school, but it was mostly an image thing. I can remember always being attracted to the muscular man. I remember going to swim lessons when I was 4 and thinking that the Teacher was a Stud. I don't think that I had any sexual thoughts then because I was so young. Now I do think women can be beautiful, but never sexually. Like how sunrises are beautiful, or a animal (not sexual). Men make me, and have always made me, hard. I don't think I ever "turned" gay.

I think that if a guy believes he "turned" gay then he must have some problems accepting himself. Saying that the girls are too ugly and bitchy is not an excuse for going gay. Straight guys will fuck any pussy. Haven't you heard the sailor saying "any port in a storm." I guess it is the same with all men, gay or straight. From the stories I have heard, Men just like to get off. I don't think gay guys would fuck pussy, must of us are grossed out by it.

I was definitely born gay. My first crush was a really hot guy with an amazing body who swam laps at the pool every summer during adult swim. I knew I was attracted to him.... I was 4 or 5. I used to lay at the end of his lane in the warm puddle of water created by his splash from his flip turns. Then we moved and I was bummed but we ended up moving right next door to a family with a High School aged son who was a bodybuilder and physique model. He was always doing walking lunges through our back yard in a speedo and laying out tanning... Steve Aronis... anyone know him? I'm trying to find him LOL. I remember talking to him all the time and showing him skills on our trampoline! I was such a flirt even at 7 and 8 years old. He moved away after a few years of college and didn't see him after I was 11 or so... John Schneider from Dukes of Hazard was also another crush They aren't WHY I'm gay but formed my ideal man image in my head

gigman17b said

''I think that if a guy believes he "turned" gay then he must have some problems accepting himself. Saying that the girls are too ugly and bitchy is not an excuse for going gay.

Hmm well i didn't mention that i was ref. to girls from my class but i did say i liked realy hot girls.
And please allow me to correct that it is not about acceptance but awareness. Tks

i know gay friends with gay biological parents.

fryblock saidi know gay friends with gay biological parents.

you mean a gay father and a gay mother??? LOL !! good that they have something in common .. their marriage is difenitley working ..

I think part of being gay is biological , the rest of it is up to the inviroment .. that's why there are Bi people and different levels of "gayism" ..
when I was a kid I was thin too and admired muscle guys cuz I wanted to be like them ...
but I don't think it's a good reason to TURN gay .. there are lot's of thin straight guys who want to have a built body too it doesn't make them gay ..

SUPERMAN !!!!

When I was a child and into Super Heroes, Superman turned me on, but I really didn't understand those feelings. I wanted a BF that looked like Superman and I wanted to look like him, too. . .

How is anyone ever going to live up to that ?? LOL

My first Fantasy . . .

Born gay, but I chose to accept it and admit to myself later in life. That, in my opinion, is the real choice.

To ghosta
That was just one, a simple but powerful cause it started as an admiration but you know what effect they had when getting too close or too kinde
It made you want more

want more ?!!!! I know gay guys who marry women.. but a case of two gay parents married .. it's too weird!! I mean , didn't they know what they want from each other? both of them?

Turned me gay? Um, that would be the result of some wild and crazy gene or two while I was in mommy's tummy. Or some other biological mystery.

To suggest that an event or person, etc. "turned" anyone gay is insulting.

highsierrahiker said
To suggest that an event or person, etc. "turned" anyone gay is insulting.

That's so true .. beside that if someone could "turn" you gay then someone can do the opposite and "turn" you straight ... which is impossible

I'm going to interpret the topic as when did I _notice_ I was attracted to guys cuz in a sense that turned me gay cuz before that I was innocent (well, still am sorta, lol). Yeah, I agree that I was born gay.

It would be Junior High locker room. Two guys, one was built and had a six pack then and the other was not as perfect but hot as well. The latter was in a lot of my classes, but never talked to him until PE.

GHoSTa saidthen someone can do the opposite and "turn" you straight

*SHUDDER* ...and perish the thought ...

Actually, it was the day I ate the Fizzies.

See, you were supposed to drop the Fizzies in water and they would turn it into a delicious soft drink.

But we were warned against just eating the tablets. Anyway, now I know why. I ate one--root beer flavor, I think--and suddenly I was gay!

Do they even MAKE Fizzies anymore?

GHoSTa said
want more ?!!!! I know gay guys who marry women.. but a case of two gay parents married .. it's too weird!! I mean , didn't they know what they want from each other? both of them?

I was ref. to admiration 4 musc. boys

highsierrahiker saidTurned me gay? Um, that would be the result of some wild and crazy gene or two while I was in mommy's tummy. Or some other biological mystery.

To suggest that an event or person, etc. "turned" anyone gay is insulting.

ok i'm gonna give u examples with me:
So there was this friend of mine that was kinna fat and didn't manage to get a chick date him and asked my help and since i knew some hot chicks(not those from my school)
I planed 4 us and 2 girls to go to a club and what happen is that he made a cool friendship with one of them( the other one was with me) but told him that she was also into me.then he got upset cuz it usually happened this and we had stoped seeing eatchother 4 a while but then got back toghether (as friends ) and started telling me :'i wish i was u 4 at least one day' .Then came hugs
everytime he saw me and then gay guestions and i was like wtf cuz i could see so many changes in him and yes I was the' Person' to make him change.
and 4 an event baby that u can like or not it can b from a simple kiss,night , curiosity to rape and so on.

newgenerationman saidok i'm gonna give u examples with me:
So there was this friend of mine that was kinna fat and didn't manage to get a chick date him and asked my help and since i knew some hot chicks(not those from my school)
I planed 4 us and 2 girls to go to a club and what happen is that he made a cool friendship with one of them( the other one was with me) but told him that she was also into me.then he got upset cuz it usually happened this and we had stoped seeing eatchother 4 a while but then got back toghether (as friends ) and started telling me :'i wish i was u 4 at least one day' .Then came hugs
everytime he saw me and then gay guestions and i was like wtf cuz i could see so many changes in him and yes I was the' Person' to make him change.
and 4 an event baby that u can like or not it can b from a simple kiss,night , curiosity to rape and so on.

Um, that story hardly makes any sense. Try writing in proper English and cut out the "wtf", "cuz", "4", and all that crap, ok?

So, from what I can tell, you were trying to set up your friend with a girl, but he ended up liking you instead? So, you think you turned him gay? Try this: he was gay to begin with, was trying to figure himself out by dating girls, but finally decided he liked you. Because he was gay ALL ALONG. Just because he found the courage to be himself doesn't mean anyone "changed" him.

Sexuality is not something you decide. If someone can "turn" me gay, someone can turn me straight. And if someone chooses to be gay, logic dictates that others choose to be straight. Since I didn't choose to be gay - and I don't know any straight people who chose to be straight - I'd say this argument has everything to do with biology, not some fantasy of being the one who managed to turn your dream guy gay.

I have always believed that virtually everthing in life lies inbetween the grey area of the black and white poles.

I believe every guy on this thread that says they were born gay. However, I don't feel that way myself. Since I was a kid I've seen sexuality as a universal concept...interest and possibilities existing in both sexes. The "either/or" concept of a man or a women has confused me more and more the older i've become. I know this may be very confusing to most people...but it simply is. But to me there exist a distinct difference between a sexual bond and a full sexual/emotional bond.

What sways me more to the masculine side has been my upbringing. I've been sourounded by alot of emotional pain around women and an incredible support/love/understanding element with the male figures of my early life. Today I see women as an emotional threat to me...with only a sexual tie. To me, the male figure presents the possibility of an absolute sexual/emotional tie that I believe forms a complete and total attraction.

Bottom line...in my case I believe my attraction to men has been a case where Nuture carried alot of the weight in my final orientation.

Newgenerationman,

Two of your comments:

1) "you don't but they do according to statistics on personality show that sociodemographical and historical factors affect ur sexuality"

2) "Still one quest. What are the caracteristics of a gay born person ?(since there is only programmed behavior and later on comes personality that i repeat is an interference of bio-psiho-social factors )
And agreeing that there is only programmed behaviour, i bet no one of ur parents was gay."

In comment #1, you refer to "they". Who are "they"?

You have your experience which you think may have led to an attraction for males. This thought is certainly legitimate. Then you ask for other people to say what turned them gay. But after most of the respondents say that they think they were born gay you seem to be arguing that they are faulty in their thinking based on what "they" say about "bio-psiho-social factors".

First of all, I think "they" are about 25 years behind in their thinking. Genetics and Behavioral Sciences seem to be merging their thinking on this subject, that is, behavior can be inherited. Take two identical twins that have been separated from birth and yet they wear the same types of clothes, marry the same type of women, like the same types of music, etc. Before this new thinking they thought of animals being born with "instinct". To write that two non-gay parents should not have a gay son is the same thing as saying that two dark-haired parents should not have a blond child. It is about recessive genes.

Secondly, you seem to be asking for some kind of trigger in the environment that "turns" a man gay. For me, it was a transition, a realization (as other RJ's have mentioned), a slow moving epiphany. I was a late bloomer and experienced no "feelings" for other men, until I was an adult but this was probably due more to my naivete about sex. In other words, I think I was born gay, and then later, although, at the time I was resistant to the idea, I realized I was gay.

I remember having 'crushes' on girls (that stopped before puberty). I remember a few young ladies in high school and college whom I 'dated'. But I don't ever remember being straight.

In retrospect, I can imagine people more savvy than I looking at me in my youth and shaking their heads sadly, thinking, "He's not straight, he's just confused."

alexander7 said(...)experienced no "feelings" for other men, until I was an adult but this was probably due more to my naivete about sex. In other words, I think I was born gay, and then later, although, at the time I was resistant to the idea, I realized I was gay.

1)they=things in ur environment
2)what do u mean u had no feelings, but u were rezistant to the idea( if it wasn't there);) u responded to ur question

i was born gay because my brother is gay too.
we are like from 2 completly diffrent planets, he's the exact opposite of me in EVERY SINGLE WAY yet we both are gay so it's definatly genitics.

Your brother is,but was?who was first to admit,talk about influencing ;)

The magical gay fairy (AKA the guy from the club down the street) came down and made me a real boy. After that, I had NO more strings, was magically turned gay, lol.

Hello everyone! I'm new here and thought I'd reply.

I believe I was born gay because of the very same reason many of you have posted. As a child I had an attraction to men. It was very strong and I never thought it was abnormal...until the day I got the "Birds and the Bees" talk. Yikes!!!!! That's when I kept it to myself and started to look up the words "gay" and "homosexual" in the dictionary. I remember being with a friend playing video games and he got upset that I was beating him. I suspected that he was letting me win so he could push on me, poke my ribs punch my legs, etc. Then one day he grabbed my front side!!! So I pushed him away and got mad, but it gave me an erection. I was mad because it was unexpected and it hurt but when I realized what happened it got me excited. He didn't hang out with me after that and I felt bad that I couldn't share my feelings with him. He was VERY smart, as smart as me. I could tell he was like me. So then when I got a bit older I decided to tell my mother. When I did, this was her response, and I quote:

Me: "Mom, I think I'm gay."
Mom: "Are you sure? You like men that way?"
Me: "Yeah, It's been bothering me for a long time."
Mom: "But you had so many pretty girlfriends."
Me: "I know, but that was so no one would question me. They know I was gay, I told them. They were actually just good friends. They would kiss with me in public as a favor"
Mom: "You don't want to dress like a girl do you?"
Me:" Um, no."

She hugged me and said that she had something to tell me too. My sibling all have different fathers. She told me that she had us with her best friends. We all knew that. She didn't believe in marriage. So she added one more bit of information after I came out to her.

SHE A LESBIAN!!!!!!!

She old me that she never knew how to tell me of if she ever needed too.

SO I believe it can be passed on through genetics. So cool having a gay mom! She felt the same way I did growing up. No event/action turned her gay. Just an interaction with the same sex validated the feelings. :-)

Sorry for the long post. I talk a lot! :-P


Gabe

Mother.

Oh on my profile says i wanna make friends hope u don't forget that and gabe i could answer u back very simple saying ur case is an exception, but still what if that move gad been done by a super hot girl and u 'd have gone further?
That action ;) u still remeber it 4 a reason don't u think?
Like u 4 being special
;)

I was bitten by a fabulous radioactive gay spider (who had a blast masturbating, btw) and was given my gay superpowers.

When I came out of my mother's vagina, I was immediately nauseated and turned off. That's when I became gay.

Oh, you tried to eat the placenta? Ew.

sugartits saidWhen I came out of my mother's vagina and was immediately nauseated and turned off. That's when I became gay.

That's freakin cool ))))

My last girlfriend - who, on my second night, had bought me a toothbrush to keep in the mug beside hers (i have good dental hygiene normally ) - and who, when i woke up in the middle of the night to see her lying there watching me - and telling me she loved me and always had. Well after that i never went back to women! (Bunny boilers all of them )

i fully believe that everyone is -born- with their sexual desires already set out and there is virtually no way to change that except by genetic maneuvering. i also believe that "turned gay" is a misnomer and whatever "trigger" is simply a dawning awareness or realization.

I blame my mother for letting me watch Hollywood Squares and The Match Game as a child - Paul Lynde and Charles Nelson Reilly twisted my fragile mind.

As a young teen - John Taylor from Duran Duran was my trigger.

FirefighterBlu3 saidi fully believe that everyone is -born- with their sexual desires already set out and there is virtually no way to change that except by genetic maneuvering. i also believe that "turned gay" is a misnomer and whatever "trigger" is simply a dawning awareness or realization.

I would also say that I was always gay and the truth is that the sexual desires are are not based on DNA. They may give a hint to it, but the rest ist expirince of everything. Straights can get Bisexual, so Gays may not be able to become Straight, but Bisexual. I already turned a straight guy by accident.

Waydago maximumrisk , u feel good right;-)

Interesting question that I'm still trying to figure out. I'm actually a virgin on both sides of the tracks. For the longest time I was waiting to have sex until marriage, and although now I really feel attracted to men, I don't just want to have random sex. That's a bit off topic. What turned me gay?

I don't if I truly believe that people are born gay or straight. I really think that conditioning and life events play into it. There might be some biological push in a given direction, but for me I'm not quite sure.

When I was in Jr. High there would be guys I would want to be around all the time. I would want to see them and talk to them and get to know them. My sexual awareness was very late as my parents were pretty over protective, so these desires to be around them weren't sexual as I didn't get it yet.

The same thing continued into high school, and I didn't quite get it until college that I might be gay. There was one frat guy who was from my hometown that just drove me wild. I wanted to get to know him, to talk to him and maybe a little more and whenever I was around him (very rare) I was almost speechless, I was so terrified of what to say or do. He graduates next spring and I would love to know if he is curious at all, because I would be there in a heartbeat.

Guys with muscle and black hair and nice features attract me the most. Guys who look like Dean Cain or Brandon Routh, sign me up. Notice the correlation? So yeah, Superman is HOT and maybe when I do have a first experience it's with someone who's tall a bit muscular and has a great face to kiss.

I do not recall any single, nor even "series" of, events or situations that "turned me gay". I believe this question is, perhaps, not well phrased...?
I can remember certain instances, when I first became aware of my interest in men more than women, but it is my belief that our "orientation tendency" is genetic, not a choice and as we mature we become aware of this nature.
In my readings, I came across a book titled "The Wonder of Boys", by Michael Gurian. The book is about what to expect, how to raise and other questions and issues about the maturation and development of boys. One of his chapters is titled "Teaching Boys About Sex and Love". One of the sections is called “What If My Son Is Gay?” In this section the author talks about research that has identified a portion of the hypothalamus, known as the “Sexually Dimorphic Nucleus”(SDN) that controls among other things, sexual orientation. The research is ongoing at The University of Pennsylvania, UCLA School of Medicine and the London Institute of Psychiatry and elsewhere. The research has identified the SDN as being half the size in gay as in straight people. It is not a “defect”, just a fact of biology and life. The author has a line that I just love and wish the homophobes, bigots and “holy rollers” would take to heart……”To Condemn gays for being different is to condemn the work of their brains’ Creator”.
All I know, is I am gay and I fought against it for most of my life, until I was 37. I was a physical and mental mess because of it. Once I realized and admitted the truth to myself and everyone else, my life improved dramatically. Now I can tell you that I love men and enjoy sex with men. It is not a “judgment”,an “opinion” nor a “lifestyle choice”, merely a biological fact of life for me. And this is OK with me.

newgenerationman... You keep insisting that you have to be "turned" gay, despite everything people are saying to you about being born gay... or at least, that's how I'm understanding your posts.

I'm going to make this as clear as possible... Nothing "turns" one gay (or straight, for that matter).

Certain portions of DNA are known to affect sexuality... and you can't change that, you're born with it. There are other biological factors that are determined between conception and birth that determine one's sexuality... and I'd have to go look up the research to give you all the technical stuff as its been a while since I read the research... the point is, you're born with all that in place.

I was born gay... if you want characteristics of someone who is born gay, look at any gay guy you know... or check yourself out, for that matter... its not a choice, its not something you can turn on and off, and its not something that a person or thing "turns" you into... but its just as much a part of you as your skin.

My brother and oldest sister are also gay... we have the same dad, different moms... we did not grow up in the same environment. Its not an "exception", I know lots of people with gay siblings that grew up in different environments. It is genetics.

newgenerationman, here's a thought. Since you can be turned, why don't you find some girl to turn you straight, mkay? Thanks.

Where o where is Obscenewish when you need him to make an insightful and scathing comment about newgeneration and his social and cultural ignorance. I'd take a stab at him myself, but I think I would just end up spewing and venting all manner of things.

You're not turned. You are. The End.

I don't believe anyone is born into their sexuality.

I believe that sexuality develops as part of a person's cognitive and emotional development.

I believe that there are biological factors involved, but not in a direct correlation to sexuality. I think our biology and chemistry effects how we interpret and react to the world around us.

As human beings, we are also subject to our culture. We live in a culture that does not accept sexual ambiguity. We require people to pick a label and stick with it. Once defined, there are norms for each group that we really have no choice in defining. Whether one are acting with or against the norm, it's still a reaction to a set of rules forced on us.

On second thought, it may have been the Froot Loops.

Socio-biologically speaking, my genes demand men!

no both of the biological parents were gay, but my gay friend's father is also gay. i dont know of any gay friends with lesbian mothers

newgenerationman

"1)they=things in ur environment"

My comment about "they" was directed towards your comment here, which was directed to tommyguns2000:
"tommysguns2000 said
I dont think things in your environment can "turn" you
you don't but they do according to statistics on personality show that sociodemographical and historical factors affect ur sexuality.
Why are far more gay people in Open-Minded countries than in the rest.It's a continously process of influencing."

Things do not think; people do. You are referring to people who think their statistics on personality reveal that sexuality is effected by, in your words, “sociodemographical and historical factors”. I am asking for your source of these statistics, because as I have already stated in my last post, those statistics seem to go against the latest thinking on this.

"2)what do u mean u had no feelings, but u were rezistant to the idea( if it wasn't there);) u responded to ur question"

Sorry, because of my lack of communication skills, you seem to have gotten the time frame of my "not having feelings for men" and my "resistance to the idea of being gay" confused. The first came during my youth when I was naive. The second came during the period of slow realization of my being gay when I was a young adult.

Since you seem to have a hard time believing that people could be born gay, I am simply asking for you to back up your “theory” with some hard facts.

I've been attracted to guys since I can remember though I would never even admit to myself that I had a crush on a couple of my friends...talk about denial. Doesn't make for a very healthy friendship when one is a repressed homosexual who's so secretly in love with someone he doesn't even realize that he is. I can look back and laugh at myself now. What else can you do? My feelings were very real as was my denial.

I'm pretty sure I was born to be gay.

But have u seen or heard dear alex that someone can tell the sex. orientation before the subject it's born?(just asking)
Read my latest update

Yeah newgenerationman, I have read all your latest updates and in fact I have read all your posts in this thread as well as all the posts so far in this thread.

To answer your question:

“But have u seen or heard dear alex that someone can tell the sex. orientation before the subject it's born?(just asking)”

No, I have not heard of this. This kind of test may not be possible presently, without hurting the baby. It may be possible some day in the future to take an amniotic fluid sample to do such a test.

Now, that I have answered your question how about answering some of the queries I have put to you. You are the person who has asked the initial question in this thread. You are also the person who seems to want to deny what the vast majority of posters have said on this issue. It seems to me, if you are going to postulate a theory, that is, that gay men are somehow "turned", you should be the one to back up that theory with at least some reasonable facts. The weight of proof is on your shoulders!!

If you can’t do that, then I would refer you back to what Timberoo wrote, an intelligent response to those who “believe” they were born gay. It is difficult for people to imagine how a long line of four different chemical branches on DNA can produce ones sexuality. Those four branches code for proteins. How could proteins cause what we see as behaviour? But behaviour has been proven to “link” with our genetic makeup. I refer you to the identical twin studies in my first post in this thread and to many other studies. The work on this link will continue for many years into the future, but because of the work that has been done already and my “feelings” on this matter, you will not convince me otherwise, especially without any reasonable argument to the contrary.

I see you are smart , but lets review: you said you read my latest update and i hope you agree that for a gene to be inherited it's gotta be there.so from all those who posted only one said his mother is lesbian,so once again dear alex what is so hard to understand?
(Don't complicate simple things)

Being gay is a way for mother nature to have population control. She know's there's way too many people on this earth eating up every resource available. That, and she doesn't want every 'good looking guy' knocking up anymore chicks

For anyone with the argument that it's a choice to be gay better rethink their thinking...about everything.

newgenerationman writes:
I see you are smart , but lets review: you said you read my latest update and i hope you agree that for a gene to be inherited it's gotta be there.so from all those who posted only one said his mother is lesbian,so once again dear alex what is so hard to understand?


Refer back to my posts then. I have already written about recessive genes.

If you wish to keep it simple, then do not bring up theories that you can not back up, especially ones, that are, by their very nature, extraordinarily complex.

Turned Gay? Its not exactly a choice you are given, if it WAS the world would be 100% straight as its so much easier! Putting up with all the shit that you have to endure everyday just because others are afraid of their own sexuality is not really a choice anybody would want to make, and if you say it IS then you are STILL living in denial and I feel sorry for you. Also what about fatherhood??.....thats quite a sacrifice to make just because you want to have a bit of kinky sex don't you think?!
Anyways back to the point, I realised I had gay feelings when I hit puberty and started having crushes on men....I tried to fight it and had several girlfriends which never amounted to anything....basically cos my heart and more importantly my penis was'nt in it and i'd allways find a reason to finish it.
I had sex with quite a few chicks in the hope that it might strike a chord, but unfortunatly it was all a bit ho hum.....so I waited.......... and waited...........for what seemed like a lifetime, and put my life on hold until I realised that I was'nt getting any younger and was basically wasting my life keeping others happily oblivious to my sexuality, SO I grew a backbone and decided to take back what was mine.....so as for Who Turned Me? Nobody deserves that CREDIT but me!

Now u are being funny Dude ur comparing twins But did they inherited genes one from another?!!!!(compare the the subj. and the person he inherited from!
I'm telling u to keep it simple 4 u are not making any sense.
CUTE though

I remember having gay feelings at age 7 long before I knew what sex was. I was born gay and have alwasy been that way

abitofrough25 said
I had sex with quite a few chicks in the hope that it might strike a chord, but unfortunatly it was all a bit ho hum.....so I waited.......... and waited...........for what seemed like a lifetime, and put my life on hold until I realised that I was'nt getting any younger and was basically wasting my life keeping others happily oblivious to my sexuality,

Sounds a bit like my life (except was only a few women). The toothbrush incident i talked about before was just my trigger switch to start becoming me!

Well I thought that being gay was exotic and kinda cool growing up. I also think my controling out of control mother had someting to do with it too.

Being born gay mmm, I always wonder what if I was raised by robots with no gender would I still be gay? lol.

First gay memory. Reading international male

That catolog made supported young gay fantasies for years!

sugartits saidWhen I came out of my mother's vagina, I was immediately nauseated and turned off. That's when I became gay.

what were you doing in there in the first place? had you lost something?

He was searching 4 an answer...

i think it was my cousins ideahttp://www.realjock.com/reply/71738/

Who turned me gay. What a questions. I was gay as long as I start walking. I cant blaim the environment, upbringing , culture or anyhing else. I come from a culture where there is no room what so ever for gay people. But here I am lusting for men , a true cock sucker, and manizer. If somebody can turned me straight, please do so. I can imagine how easier and less complicated my life would have been.

Can i try?

Its such a ridiculous notion to be 'turned' gay that I dont even want to entertain it, but feel I must in the crudest sense.

Who here CHOOSES when to have an erection? Do you see someone attractive and tell your knob to stand to attention? Obviously not.

irishboxers saidWhere o where is Obscenewish when you need him to make an insightful and scathing comment about newgeneration and his social and cultural ignorance. I'd take a stab at him myself, but I think I would just end up spewing and venting all manner of things.

Aw,that's the sweetest thing anyone's ever said to me.

Actually I kinda absented myself from this discussion for the reason that I'm not convinced sexuality is biologically programmed. The fact that a person does not elect sexual orientation does not mean that it's not to some degree socially constructed.

It's also important to me to maintain a distinction between gay identity and homosexual desire. The conceptualization of desire as identity is relatively recent. (Read "Gay New York" for proof positive of this in our own culture, relatively recently.)

The analogous situation is gender, which is the set of markers that contribute to male or female identity -- dress, gesture, etc. In the way sexual identity is different from sexual desire, gender is different from being male or female because you have a vagina or a penis. In feminist and queer theory this social construction of gender's markers is called "performativity."

The way gender, sexual identity, desire and biological sex interact is the subject of Queer Theory. These are expressions of both social and genetic influences.

If your experience convinces you that your sexual desire is entirely programmed by genetics, that's cool. My own experience was different enough that I'm not so sure. And I know many other people feel similarly.

But it's clear nobody "chooses" the object of sexual desire. It chooses you. Just be glad you're not chasing a goat or licking a high-heel shoe.

"Who here CHOOSES when to have an erection? Do you see someone attractive and tell your knob to stand to attention? Obviously not."

Of course, St. Augustine said the spontaneous nature of erections was proof of the inherent sinfulness of human beings.

I'm just sayin...

By the way, it seems to me that the original poster isn't really asking so much what literally turned you gay as how you grew into self awareness of your sexual desire.

It was Richard Nixon, yeah, he made me gay...

I'm am the youngest of 5 girls and have been gay all my life. I remember being different since I was 5 or so.

"It was Richard Nixon, yeah, he made me gay..."

Hey, he made me gag. (And I normally have no gag reflex.)

I always had a physical attraction to guys. For example, I liked the way they smelled, from as early as I can remember. Even though I might think a girl was smart and pretty, I never felt any physical attraction to her. I dated girls, and had a girlfriend in high school. She was great, and I loved her, but when we were close, my body did not respond to her.

My best guy friends could send me into bliss just by putting their arm around me. And even the body of a guy that I did not like at all could arouse me.

That was what made me realize-- I could love and respect a beautiful woman as a person-- but men I was attracted to at a purely physical level, the same way my straight friends were attracted to girls.

It took me a long, long time to find a gay man who was both physically attractive and beattiful as a person on the inside (mostly because it was very hard to find other gay men at all in NC), but it was worth the wait.

I think it was the fact that I was a clothing heir.

You see, I was born with these genes...


As to when I first realized it; I noticed it before I was ten, when I saw one of my athletic neighborhood friends without his shirt on and I thought I wanted to have that! I didn't understand sex at that time but the view was so compelling.

I like abitofrough25's answer best, when he "grew a backbone"!