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    Nov 17, 2009 3:42 PM GMT
    I am in totally out of current pop culture. Besides MSNBC and the History Channel I have no desire to watch most of the shows on TV. I am even loosing interest in the History Channel - really is Ice Road Tuckers "History". I don't know many of the current popular bands/music. I didn't watch any of the World Series. I just didn't get contemporary art with light bulbs on the floor, a piece of wood painted in two colors, and a soild colored canvas being considered art. I thought art should reflect/show talent. Overall, I just really don't care much for pop culture/enterainment. Is something wrong with me? Should I seek professional help? Would a Doctor or Psychologist be more appropriate?
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    Nov 17, 2009 4:41 PM GMT
    I, for one, believe that if you cannot quote Zac Effron verbatim from one of his Oscar award winning roles, then you need professional help.
  • jarhead5536

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    Nov 17, 2009 4:50 PM GMT
    Wow, I thought I was the only one out of the loop. I am a classicaly trained musician so I refuse to spend money listening to pop music (I can't see it having lasting value for coming generations). I have never seen Gossip Girl, don't know or care whether Lindsey/Britney/Paris is currently in rehab or not, and categorically refuse to watch anything on E!. My only embarassing vice? The (Un)Real Wives of Wherever. I caught an episode quite by accident and was sucked into this hilarious train wreck ever since...
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    Nov 17, 2009 5:09 PM GMT
    Yogi4Life saidI, for one, believe that if you cannot quote Zac Effron verbatim from one of his Oscar award winning roles, then you need professional help.


    Not only am I am not able to quote that - I didn't know who Zac Effron was (I had to look him up). I am really fucked up icon_sad.gif. I do know several bands and tv shows from the 80s (a time I was more into pop culture). Does that count for anything? Is there a pill I should take or something? I mean seriously I am so "out of it" sometimes.
    I have a decent knowlege of history. I have a decent understand of current events (outside of pop culture). I know the basic difference between Sunni-Shiite Muslims. I've been to college. I am able to locate most countries on a map (not so good at Africa though). I've read the Bible. My grammar is not always perfect, but I do know the difference between its and it's.
    But I can barely name any Chicago Sports team players and I don't really care to. I only know of a hand full of current bands and actors. I rarely watch movies. People though often act like there is something wrong with me because I don't know much, and don't care to, about pop culture.
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    Nov 17, 2009 5:23 PM GMT
    I have no idea who Zac whatever is, neither. I've seen the name before, that's about it.
    Maybe I'm just an old stick in the mud, but I dont want to google him, neither. Just no interest.
    No, you don't need professional help. My opinion is that we are more apt to be out of the loop because we are gay.
    Straight, married men and women with children know what's current because of their children. They have to watch certain TV shows, they must listen to the music, they must engage in conversation with their children about these things.
    I watch only the TV that I want to. Everybody I know is in my age group, and they aren't discussing the Pussycat Dolls.
    Egad, this topic is making me feel my age icon_sad.gif
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    Nov 17, 2009 5:39 PM GMT
    phemt saidI am in totally out of current pop culture. Besides MSNBC and the History Channel I have no desire to watch most of the shows on TV. I am even loosing interest in the History Channel - really is Ice Road Tuckers "History". I don't know many of the current popular bands/music. I didn't watch any of the World Series. I just didn't get contemporary art with light bulbs on the floor, a piece of wood painted in two colors, and a soild colored canvas being considered art. I thought art should reflect/show talent. Overall, I just really don't care much for pop culture/enterainment. Is something wrong with me? Should I seek professional help? Would a Doctor or Psychologist be more appropriate?


    Don't feel the least bit bad - you are not alone in this. Most of my television watching is on local channels that are what Nick at Nite used to be. I enjoy television shows that were written and acted by people with talent. I not only fail to understand reality television, I refuse to watch it. My music is mainly 60's-mid 1980's with a lot of Motown. Again, music with real musicians that was written and performed by passionate people of talent. Much of what we have today, with a scant few exceptions is a "product of the studio". Furthermore I do not appreciate text messaging, or should I say those who carry on multiple full length conversations via text message. And I do not do that "Twitter" thing because I am not a twit. I also fail to understand the militant obsession with Starbucks.

    Like you, I don't care much for what passes for pop culture and entertainment today. I struggled with this for months and arrived at the conclusion that the reason I reject pop culture today is because it is nothing but mediocrity, phoniness, crudeness and intellectual bankruptcy that is marketed as something we shold embrace. There is no real room for or celebration of the individual, of talent, passion, artistry and certainly no celebration of (more of a fear of) genuine excellence. Tell me, where do you see the next Steinbeck, Dickens or Poe coming from? Where are the equals of actors/actresses like Gregory Peck, Ceasar Romero, Barbara Stanwyck or Bette Davis at today? And Television? We've replaced "Mission Impossible" and "Magnum P.I." with "So you think you can dance?" and "Wife Swap?" Musically speaking today we have "artists" like Kelly Clarkson, Justin Timberlake and the Jonas Brothers who would have been buried a generation ago. The music all sounds the same and it has no guts.

    I've had the privilege of reading a lot of your posts and responses. You are very obviously a well read, educated guy, and you express yourself incredibly well. One thing that stands out is that you march to the beat of your own drum. You are a distinct individual. For what it's worth, I don't think you need to see any psychological professional. You are distinct and enjoy the genuinely great things in life and the more you enjoy the genuine, the more you reject the fake. The first, best lie of marketing these days is to convince you that there is something wrong with you and that you should strive for or reach for whatever they are selling/pushing.

    Put another way, if pop culture these days was so great then why do we have 20 percent of the tv advertisements pusing anti-depressant drugs?

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    Nov 17, 2009 6:03 PM GMT
    I really don't think I need profession help over this. The post was more of rant because I do get this attitude from people sometimes. They get all over me about not knowing about pop culture yet they don't know much about anything worthwhile. Yeah they can name the starting line-up of the bulls, but they can't even name their senators or representative. They know all the major bands, but have little knoweldge of history. What ever one's interests in life is fine. I just don't have much interest in current pop culture.
    The whole professional help thing was just me being sarcastic. I see so many people on here asking 'should I see a doctor or psychologist' for both obviously serious and blown out of proportion silly things. Normal is largely a statistical term and by itself there is nothing wrong with being abnormal. Being "abnormal" only becomes an issue when it interferes with daily life.

    I am glad to read someone enjoys my posts (regardless if you agreed or disagreed with them).
  • thisguy023

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    Nov 17, 2009 7:48 PM GMT

    I never understood the difference between 'pop' culture and 'higher' culture. Motown was seen as low culture when it came out first and Mozart wrote pop music for his times. Culture = culture.
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    Nov 17, 2009 8:07 PM GMT
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    I never understood the difference between 'pop' culture and 'higher' culture. Motown was seen as low culture when it came out first and Mozart wrote pop music for his times. Culture = culture.


    I think for the purposes of the discussion here, pop culture refers to the here and now "mainstream" things that define this particular time period.

    To say that Mozart or Motown is "better" than Kelly Clarkson is irrelevant because it is an opinion. But when you can articulate how it is different, largely based upon pure artistry as opposed to computers and software doing 75 percent of the work.

    Take chocolate for example. For some, it gets no better than a Hershey's Bar or Reese's Cup. Others prefer Ghirhardelli, and some who have been exposed to Barry Callebut or Cacao Barry pure chocolate, which has been artisanally blended, will see the Hershey for what it is - popular, but lacking. It's a matter of taste.
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    Nov 17, 2009 8:18 PM GMT
    thisguy023 said
    I never understood the difference between 'pop' culture and 'higher' culture. Motown was seen as low culture when it came out first and Mozart wrote pop music for his times. Culture = culture.


    I think of pop(ular) culture as part of current trends and youth culture. A lot of pop culture will fade and be forgotten, and that which is remembered long after must qualify as "finer" culture.

    even though the hits of Motown and Mozart are (kinda) popular, even today, it's not like they're contemporary or is commonly known by young people.
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    Nov 17, 2009 10:33 PM GMT
    thisguy023 said
    I never understood the difference between 'pop' culture and 'higher' culture. Motown was seen as low culture when it came out first and Mozart wrote pop music for his times. Culture = culture.


    One way to distinguish the two is that high-culture artifacts can't be fully absorbed at first sight or hearing. You can enjoy a Motown number and a Mozart piece the first time you encounter them but you won't get all that's going on in the Mozart piece without paying closer attention to how it's put together, e.g., the thematic development, counterpoint, harmonic structure, etc. You may also see more in the Motown number with repeated hearings but it won't be as complex.
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    Nov 17, 2009 10:59 PM GMT
    Respectively, it is an age thing. knowing about things form the eighties is probably when you were trying to be apart of the social scene and needed that knowledge to be able to function among your peers. Personally I know a lot of pop culture just because that is part of my age groups interests. Saying that it is only for straight people is seriously miss informed though because there are more gay openly gay analyst for entertainment news than there are in any other news outlet. Personally I feel a little inferior when someone mentions a name or person I should know for popular culture and have no idea. For example, some Victoria's Secret model who is only 5'8". I say whop cares but really know I am lame. Still cant remember her name either ha ha.
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    Nov 17, 2009 11:12 PM GMT

    phemt said Would a Doctor or Psychologist be more appropriate?


    Dating one might be better. icon_surprised.gif Nothings wrong with you; television as entertainment is an elective not a requirement. And pop culture, it doesn't have very good shelf life; once you start liking it, it's over or if you find something you really enjoy, it's no longer in style? That doesn't stop me, I never miss an episode of Three's Company on TV Land, but thinking of just getting them on DVD and watching em all one after another like a marathon. Anybody want to make a weekend of it?
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    Nov 17, 2009 11:14 PM GMT
    I don't think you need help. The rest of the world needs help...we have become obsessed with others' lives instead of taking care of the issues and needs of our own family!
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    Nov 17, 2009 11:30 PM GMT
    This is like the first time I walked into a gay bar and thought " Wow, there are other people like me!" Glad to know there are lots of other guys out there as uninformed about pop culture as I am.
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    Nov 18, 2009 1:53 AM GMT
    what about a monty python marathon???
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    Nov 18, 2009 2:05 AM GMT

    Pop culture? You mean our lab tests? icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 18, 2009 2:09 AM GMT
    phemt saidI am in totally out of current pop culture.


    Wow thank you for this thread!!

    I am TOTALLY out of current pop culture. I often feel really alienated socially, if just for a moment, when people refer to shit like Kim Kardashian (??).

    even more strange, perhaps, is that I know a lot about old pop culture, particularly old movies! the only movies I watch are from pre-1980, usually black and white.

    I just saw The Best Years Of Our Lives (1948 Oscar for Best Picture) last week and LOVED it. None of my friends have any idea what the fuck that shit is and think I'm crazy.

    I have a picture of Gregory Peck and Alida Valli on my wall. Nobody knows who the fuck they are.

    I feel like I am my own grandfather.
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    Nov 18, 2009 2:11 AM GMT
    dude I feel the same way and I'm 20 years old, how do you think I feel? haha
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    Nov 18, 2009 2:20 AM GMT
    steltom saidwhat about a monty python marathon???


    I am game for that. I love Monty Python. Now for something completely different.
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    Nov 18, 2009 2:44 AM GMT
    My boyfriend is like you, totally clueless about pop-culture but a wiz almost everywhere else. Usually it is up to me to suggest movies to watch or TV we record. We play music from my i-pod when we have guests. But he's doing our finances. Win-win for both of usicon_biggrin.gif.

    I'm interested in movies and TV, so I read about that, but I'm mostly clueless about what bands kids on here are listening to. Most of the time I've never heard of them, and I don't care. The great thing about pop culture is that it's entirely elective, it's a bit of a guilty pleasure. Not good for me, but so much fun.

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    Nov 18, 2009 2:51 AM GMT
    I feel odd now icon_redface.gif

    My dissertation topic is popularity (the idea of popular) and the pervasive embeddedness of relationships and impact that we all share on each other, only exacerbated by social media. It is an interdisciplinary cluster-bomb of a topic that allows me to discuss Lady Gaga, Octo-mom, Jon & Kate, Paris Hilton, and Glee while dropping some Plato, Herbert Marcuse, Sigmund Freud, Machiavelli, Twyla Tharp, and Sun-Tzu.