Salmon... I CAN'T believe it!!

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    Nov 19, 2009 7:16 AM GMT
    Salmon.... boasted as being full of Omega 3.

    Well...
    first of all there are 2 types of omega 3
    1- we need and is amazing in every way for us.
    2- we cant use the other and it makes no difference!

    Salmon are carnivores and eat little fish.
    Farmed salmon used to eat live little fish that were introduced into the tank.
    UNTIL
    Animal rights said it was cruel to the little fishes.
    SO
    They started feeding salmon fish protein. Good idea yeah?
    UNTIL
    People started going nuts about fish eating fish because of the mad cow disease scenario (uh what do they do in the wild?)
    SO
    They now feed salmon Soy protein which is 100x cheaper than fish protein.
    HOWEVER
    When salmon are fed off of soy protein they don't produce the useful omega 3 but the useless one ... Woopa! Go animal rights! and the marketing companies can still say it has omega 3...its just useless omega 3....
    Scandalous !
    I was a salmon addict.... bad times, i will still eat it but you know it would be nice to eat it knowing it has a positive affect on your body.

    Anyone got any other false food stories?
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    Nov 19, 2009 8:14 AM GMT
    My doctor told me that I'd have to eat salmon every day like a Grizzly bear during the salmon run to get enough natural omega-3 to help lower my cholesterol. Instead she wants me taking 1200mg in softgel form 3 times daily.

    Fish is healthy in many ways, and I eat a lot of it, including salmon, much more than red meat, plus I also eat poultry. But some fish have been associated with their own problems, such as contamination from substances like mercury.

    Albacore tuna is another omega-3 source, and you can get it from flax seeds and walnuts, too, not just fish. Omega-3 contained naturally in these food sources is better absorbed by the body than by taking it in supplemental form, as my doctor wants. That's why I need to take 3 softgels a day.

    But I'd still have to eat mass quantities daily to reach the therapeutic levels I need, and to maintain a reliable concentration. So I swallow the gelcaps, and still eat the fish, and walnuts, too, one of my regular snacks. BTW, smoked salmon loses a lot of omega-3, so don't have it in that manner if fatty acids are your goal.

    Do you have any links to reputable sources for the salmon feeding scenario you describe? Here's a link about omega-3:

    http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=84
  • calibro

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    Nov 19, 2009 4:41 PM GMT
    oh I don't know... you could also just eat walnuts or flax seeds, which have higher concentrations. It's not as if Salmon is the only food with them.Besides, fish are dirty dirty animals... bioaccumulation anyone?
  • Celticmusl

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    Nov 19, 2009 4:51 PM GMT
    So once again it's not the Animal Rights group that is being fucktarded, but the company that is making money by killing animals at the cheapest possible way that they can get away with, regardless of the end product.

    To blame the animal rights groups is like blaming MADD for people that switch from drinking alcohol to doing cocaine.
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    Nov 19, 2009 6:27 PM GMT
    I wouldn't blame animal rights groups either. Big Salmon is going to be just as moved by PETA as Big Dairy, and they treat their cows like shit.

    It is all about the bottom line and the industry will feed the cheapest shit they can get. Take a look at this link that talks a bit about a book on the subject. Ick.
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    Nov 19, 2009 6:31 PM GMT
    Celticmusl saidSo once again it's not the Animal Rights group that is being fucktarded, but the company that is making money by killing animals at the cheapest possible way that they can get away with, regardless of the end product.

    To blame the animal rights groups is like blaming MADD for people that switch from drinking alcohol to doing cocaine.


    You beat me to it. Nice use of fucktarded too. I approve.icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 19, 2009 7:03 PM GMT
    You can stick with wild salmon by buying canned or frozen. Yes, it's a compromise, but it's versatile, quick, and a bit easier to work with than fresh. Here in the US I've never had trouble finding it at the local grocery stores, but I find the brands I like best are carried by Costco.

    Also, try mackerel. Total Omega-3 fatty acids 2991mg. Total Omega-6 fatty acids 245mg. You can always find it canned. Frozen, not so much, but sometimes. And if there's an Asian market nearby, they usually have it fresh and salt dried. It should be as ubiquitous in UK as it is in the Northern European countries.

    Smelt are also fairly easy to come by.

    Bonus: Because they both cook very fast and have relatively impervious skin, mackerel and smelt can be fried, battered or breaded, without absorbing much additional fat.

    Finally, you probably already know this, but the top 5 fish for omega content also include anchovies, sardines and shad. The first two are easy to find. Shad, not so much.

    Bon apetite!
  • Celticmusl

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    Nov 19, 2009 7:27 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite said
    Celticmusl saidSo once again it's not the Animal Rights group that is being fucktarded, but the company that is making money by killing animals at the cheapest possible way that they can get away with, regardless of the end product.

    To blame the animal rights groups is like blaming MADD for people that switch from drinking alcohol to doing cocaine.


    You beat me to it. Nice use of fucktarded too. I approve.icon_biggrin.gif


    Thanks man icon_wink.gif Who would want a Mad Fish Disease breakout?
  • auryn

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    Nov 19, 2009 7:39 PM GMT
    Let's see... Salmon are naturally carnivores... Cows are naturally herbivores... hmmmm if you feed a cow meat then you have problems... If you feed a carnivore only plants or plant byproducts, you get problems...

    What to do. What to do.

    I know! I'll just get my Salmon from the Pacific North West where it's wild caught. That way the Salmon get to eat the little fishes without Animal Rights groups interfering and I get to eat the yummy Salmon and everyone is happy. icon_smile.gif
  • Celticmusl

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    Nov 19, 2009 7:55 PM GMT
    Auryn saidLet's see... Salmon are naturally carnivores... Cows are naturally herbivores... hmmmm if you feed a cow meat then you have problems... If you feed a carnivore only plants or plant byproducts, you get problems...

    What to do. What to do.

    I know! I'll just get my Salmon from the Pacific North West where it's wild caught. That way the Salmon get to eat the little fishes without Animal Rights groups interfering and I get to eat the yummy Salmon and everyone is happy. icon_smile.gif


    So far in my research after I read this post, this issue doesn't appear to have anything to do with animal rights. To be more specific, it is the salmon farming companies trying to save money on the food for salmon. These companies are using genetically altered soy as well as chicken, vegetable oil, and other feed that a wild salmon would not normally eat.

    Unfortunately when they do feed the farmed salmon smaller fish, they are pulling these smaller fish out of the ecosystem of the ocean, where other bigger fish will not survive without their food source(the smaller fish being harvested).

    http://www.grist.org/article/2009-07-15-taras-grescoe-on-factory-salmon-farming
  • auryn

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    Nov 20, 2009 4:29 AM GMT
    Celticmusl said
    Auryn saidLet's see... Salmon are naturally carnivores... Cows are naturally herbivores... hmmmm if you feed a cow meat then you have problems... If you feed a carnivore only plants or plant byproducts, you get problems...

    What to do. What to do.

    I know! I'll just get my Salmon from the Pacific North West where it's wild caught. That way the Salmon get to eat the little fishes without Animal Rights groups interfering and I get to eat the yummy Salmon and everyone is happy. icon_smile.gif


    So far in my research after I read this post, this issue doesn't appear to have anything to do with animal rights. To be more specific, it is the salmon farming companies trying to save money on the food for salmon. These companies are using genetically altered soy as well as chicken, vegetable oil, and other feed that a wild salmon would not normally eat.

    Unfortunately when they do feed the farmed salmon smaller fish, they are pulling these smaller fish out of the ecosystem of the ocean, where other bigger fish will not survive without their food source(the smaller fish being harvested).

    http://www.grist.org/article/2009-07-15-taras-grescoe-on-factory-salmon-farming


    My statement was more about Wild caught salmon being better than farm raised and how I live in an area where wild caught salmon is abundant. Kinda rubbing it in that I get to have the tasty salmon as opposed to the other kind. Nothing but good-natured ribbing, really.
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    Nov 20, 2009 6:01 AM GMT
    As others have said, you just need to eat wild salmon, which is more expensive but is better for you in several ways.

    Of course, a lot of supermarkets don't carry it but only carry farmed.
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    Nov 20, 2009 2:49 PM GMT
    For our friends in the States here is a guide to fish based on environmental impact.

    Wild Salmon is one of the most ethical.
    Farmed Salmon is one of the least.

    It is very easy to use and I use it when making purchases.
  • Timbales

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    Nov 20, 2009 2:56 PM GMT
    I like salmon raised on baby seals.
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    Nov 20, 2009 3:01 PM GMT
    You can still get a lot of omega3 out of Linseed Oil.