To The Christians Here

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    Nov 21, 2009 5:44 AM GMT

    ...why don't you believe in Santa Claus? He's a man you can't see, who does something you can't measure. There is literature written about this man and true life sightings by "people" that they've seen him. What's more is that on Christmas Morning there is indisputable "proof" that he's been around under the tree and over the fireplace. Surely the thought of a man in a red suit, who's belly shakes like jello when he laughs (hot) and who commands a team of flying reindeer isn't that far fetched if one relies on faith. Of course, Santa never said "Only if you believe in me will you be rewarded," but"If you're good you'll be rewarded."


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    Nov 21, 2009 5:50 AM GMT
    Certainly you haven't forgotten that the BIble is the word of GOD, GuiltyGear!?! And GOD's word doesn't say anything about Santa Claus.
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    Nov 21, 2009 5:54 AM GMT

    Well, what's proof worth? And faith too? Any grade schooler will tell you he believes and that Santa makes good on his promises. That's not worth anything?

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    Nov 21, 2009 5:55 AM GMT
    unfounded7 saidCertainly you haven't forgotten that the BIble is the word of GOD, GuiltyGear!?! And GOD's word doesn't say anything about Santa Claus.


    But the Bible was written by men who thought they knew the word of GOD. So there really isn't even any kind of empiricism or even basic logic to show that this is the word of GOD. Just a bunch of dudes who were bored and decided to prophet off of a sci-fi novel. Sorta like what L Ron Hubbard did.
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    Nov 21, 2009 6:00 AM GMT
    OK, I confess! I'm not a real christian. But it was a hell of a good time pretending for all of ten minutes. icon_twisted.gif
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    Nov 21, 2009 6:14 AM GMT

    unfounded7 saidOK, I confess! I'm not a real christian. But it was a hell of a good time pretending for all of ten minutes. icon_twisted.gif


    You FAKER! I plant the seed and that's all I get !? That's it, no more Mr. Nice Sorcerer Apprentice, I'm beginning !!

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    Nov 21, 2009 6:41 AM GMT

    Hmmmm, well I guess I would have denied it too if I thought JakeBenson was coming after me.

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    Nov 21, 2009 6:50 AM GMT
    Everyone knows he's one a them left wing liberal child molesters!
    Only a queer would own a red velvet suit!
    He's a "bear", into big black leather boots and gloves!
    He keeps midgets.
    He could control his eating disorder................if he wanted to..........
    I sat on his lap once when I was very little - his breath smelled like "Boones Farm Wine" and I think he had a gun in his pocket....
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    Nov 21, 2009 6:55 AM GMT
    Uh oh... sounds like someone was that one kid that in middle school still believed in Santa and no one wanted to break it to him so they could all walk arpound and make fun of him. I had a cousin like that too... he is now bitter towards faith based religions as well.

    Sorry Santa scarred you. haha! ;-)
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    Nov 21, 2009 6:56 AM GMT

    Well I'm not a child and I happen to like bears. Like MJ he ain't done nothin and I hate velvet; I think it should go as my fire is plenty hot enough to keep the big man warm. Bear peace Pictures, Images and Photos

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    Nov 21, 2009 7:03 AM GMT
    I was way too hip to sit on Santa's lap by the time I was eight years old. I knew the score.
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    Nov 21, 2009 7:07 AM GMT
    GuiltyGear said
    ...why don't you believe in Santa Claus? He's a man you can't see, who does something you can't measure. There is literature written about this man and true life sightings by "people" that they've seen him. What's more is that on Christmas Morning there is indisputable "proof" that he's been around under the tree and over the fireplace. Surely the thought of a man in a red suit, who's belly shakes like jello when he laughs (hot) and who commands a team of flying reindeer isn't that far fetched if one relies on faith. Of course, Santa never said "Only if you believe in me will you be rewarded," but"If you're good you'll be rewarded."




    Because santa never said he was God, was raised from the dead, or claimed to offer a path of spiritual liberation through salvation from ones own nature. icon_rolleyes.gif

    ...I get your point though.
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    Nov 21, 2009 7:19 AM GMT

    Notice that I do not ask whether or not you believe in Santa Claus instead of your Savior. My question is, why don't you believe in Santa Claus too. They are both fantastic entities that proliferation of their story rest on faith.



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    Nov 21, 2009 8:07 AM GMT
    This is the only santa so far that I want

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    Nov 21, 2009 8:14 AM GMT

    ................................................. Bear confused Pictures, Images and Photos
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    Nov 21, 2009 10:55 AM GMT
    GuiltyGear said
    Notice that I do not ask whether or not you believe in Santa Claus instead of your Savior. My question is, why don't you believe in Santa Claus too. They are both fantastic entities that proliferation of their story rest on faith.





    I suppose if Santa Claus had written documentation from multiple different witnesses stating things they saw... it would make him more believable. Sure the things may have minor discrepancies, but if you stood 10 people in a room and told them to write down everything they saw in detail there might be small differences of opinion with that too.

    Also, if in that Santa book there were prophecies he gave that all came treu over the next thousand years or so... it might help make the book, and the person, more valid to me.
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    Nov 21, 2009 1:13 PM GMT
    ...in the name of the Father, Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny.
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    Nov 21, 2009 1:46 PM GMT
    S.C. is the M A N !!!icon_cool.gif
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    Nov 21, 2009 4:04 PM GMT
    Ok ok I'll play. I believe in the spirit of Santa Claus, in what he represents. Every year I get the chance be be Santa-like, and surprise people with small tokens of congrats for a year well lived. Were you good? Were you bad? lol, I don't get into that part, because who knows the whys to someone's bad?
    ,,,and sometimes bad can pretty good.icon_twisted.gificon_redface.gif

    In similar fashion, being a christian (notice the small c to connote non-righteousness) I believe in god, but that bible I consider in the Santa fashion - in what it represents NON LITERALLY.


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    Nov 21, 2009 4:09 PM GMT
    That would be an ecumenical matter icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 21, 2009 4:13 PM GMT
    hmmm....a cute-men-ical matter. Love that.
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    Nov 21, 2009 4:19 PM GMT
    Of course there's a Santa! Who looks surprisingly like your partner, when you wake up and surprise him putting your presents under the tree. And do YOU have a present for HIM in return! icon_wink.gif

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    Nov 21, 2009 4:23 PM GMT
    GuiltyGear said
    Hmmmm, well I guess I would have denied it too if I thought JakeBenson was coming after me.


    If JakeBenson is going to come after me, I'll go back to being a christian.
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    Nov 21, 2009 4:24 PM GMT
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    Nov 21, 2009 5:00 PM GMT
    JaseinOC saidI suppose if Santa Claus had written documentation from multiple different witnesses stating things they saw... it would make him more believable. Sure the things may have minor discrepancies, but if you stood 10 people in a room and told them to write down everything they saw in detail there might be small differences of opinion with that too.

    Also, if in that Santa book there were prophecies he gave that all came treu over the next thousand years or so... it might help make the book, and the person, more valid to me.
    There are actually written documentation that saint Nicholas is real.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_NicholasSaint Nicholas (Greek: Άγιος Νικόλαος , Agios ["saint"] Nikolaos ["victory of the people"]) (270 - 6 December 346) is the common name for Nicholas of Myra, a saint and Bishop of Myra (Demre, in Lycia, part of modern-day Turkey). Because of the many miracles attributed to his intercession, he is also known as Nicholas the Wonderworker. He had a reputation for secret gift-giving, such as putting coins in the shoes of those who left them out for him, and thus became the model for Santa Claus, whose English name comes from the Dutch Sinterklaas. His reputation evolved among the faithful, as is common for early Christian saints.[2] In 1087, his relics were furtively translated to Bari, in southern Italy; for this reason, he is also known as Nicholas of Bari.


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