Since when did GAY guys liking girls become so friggen chic?

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    Nov 21, 2009 8:55 AM GMT

    I can't contest that I spend a lot of time "maybe too much" time on the forum and spending the time, you notice trends, fads, and customs develop. Some have staying power and some are doomed, destined to die like a roach that has been squashed with an anvil. Guys, it DOES NOT make you cool to go on ad nauseam about how much you "dig" girls. I keep reading it again and again. You're gay, ok, gay. Why can't you derive your macho-ness from that?

    Before you start, my dirty socks are more masculine than you so don't take your bi-idiocy out on me. Besides, I get hit on by plenty beautiful women all the time, it's a pain.

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    Nov 21, 2009 9:28 AM GMT
    I'm not actively Bi anymore and I always preffered guys because I connect with men emotionally. I don't post a lot of times because the flack here in the forums is so bad. People seem to get angry and resentful. I don't understand it. What's the point of being so black and white, so absolute?
    Some people even get upset when members share about thier experiences with straight guys who wanted to experiment. The pressure to conform to some concept of segregated, speciallized sexuality is mysterious to me.

    What difference does it make to anyone what my sexual tastes are?

    I figure ok - it's a gay site and talking about bi sex may be disgusting for some guys. But there are straight people who feel the same way about gay sex. There are even gay guys who are not into anal sex. There are guys on here who find anything less than absolute masculinity to be repulsive, and on it goes to include Drag Queens and Transexuals.
    I don't understand gay Repulicans - but hey - that's thier thing.

    I don't know if it's chic - if anything it's unpopular. Anyway, I only write about it to respond to your forum. The majority doesn't want to hear about it, so I don't usually post bi stuff - it's not worth it. This site is for fun, so why rock the boat?



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    Nov 21, 2009 10:09 AM GMT
    When I first come in contact with the gay scene in about 1978, women were called fish, it was not a big thing to have female friends, even though many did.

    Over the past number of years, I've worked in a female dominate field, 85% + women. Before this I worked in male dominated fields, 99.9 % men; how I now long to get back to that world agin, it's not that I'm a misogynist, it's just that women like to hold a grudge over the smallest of thing forever, they hug it, and embrace it, where in the men's world, you have a disagreement and at the end of the day you have a few beers, and it's over and done with.
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    Nov 21, 2009 1:50 PM GMT
    Pattison saidit's just that women like to hold a grudge over the smallest of thing forever, they hug it, and embrace it, where in the men's world, you have a disagreement and at the end of the day you have a few beers, and it's over and done with.


    You are a woman then?
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    Nov 21, 2009 1:57 PM GMT
    1. We're having breakfast with a lesbian friend within the hour this morning (Sat).
    2. We're invited to a dinner with 2 lesbian friends tomorrow night.
    3. I don't want to ever see them out of their clothes, nor any woman, for that matter.
    4. I've worked with women before in various environments, would never choose to do it willingly, horrible experience, most had chips on their shoulders they wanted to take out on any men they came across. Plus men & women approach problem solving differently, resulting in constant clashes.
    5. I support equal pay for women and equal promotion opportunities, might help remove those chips on the shoulders.
    6. I support women in politics, and supported Hillary for President.
    7. I don't "like girls" in a sexual sense. I most admire women who are more like men, not blond air-heads.

    Don't know where my list falls in the OP's philosophy, but that partly summarizes my attitude about women. And yeah, I feel I'm a man because of me, not because of my relationship to or with women.
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    Nov 21, 2009 1:58 PM GMT
    Oh yay! I'm liking this thread already! Reminds me of the Old RJ!
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    MikePhilPerez said
    Pattison saidit's just that women like to hold a grudge over the smallest of thing forever, they hug it, and embrace it, where in the men's world, you have a disagreement and at the end of the day you have a few beers, and it's over and done with.


    You are a woman then?


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    Nov 21, 2009 2:42 PM GMT
    Some of the coolest men I know derive their macho-ness by doing whatever they want with whoever they want. That's what makes them unique, confident and sexy. I don't think guys who like sex with men and woman are trying to prove anything.........in fact...they have freed themselves from labels. (unless they are ashamed about having sex with men).

    Which begs the question......why do many gay men get defensive and upset about bisexuality?

    Not sure how dirty socks make a man masculine. Not sure how calling bisexuals idiots elevates a man's masculinity. Also not sure how masculinity can be measured by reading an online profile without ever actually meeting the guy.

    Being hit on by beautiful woman is a compliment to me, not a pain. Men who are secure with themselves will take it as that and enjoy it.

    Last I heard, females make up a large part of the human population and interacting with them on many levels sounds like a normal balanced way of living, not being chic. What people do behind closed doors is their business.

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    Nov 21, 2009 2:53 PM GMT
    I'm actually surprised by this topic GuiltyGear,

    As much as I love checking up on this site and hearing people's varied opinions, I would have said that, if anything, there are more people who feel the need to stress that they love men. Maybe we should be grateful to these others for the variety they bring. I certainly doesn't make me feel out of place if jawrhed dives for muff now and then.
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    drypin saidI'm actually surprised by this topic GuiltyGear,

    As much as I love checking up on this site and hearing people's varied opinions, I would have said that, if anything, there are more people who feel the need to stress that they love men. Maybe we should be grateful to these others for the variety they bring. I certainly doesn't make me feel out of place if jawrhed dives for muff now and then.


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    Nov 21, 2009 6:04 PM GMT
    I think people are becoming more free with their sexuality. If a straight guy can try it with a gay guy, why can't a gay guy try it with a woman?

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    Nov 21, 2009 6:15 PM GMT
    WildjokerQ saidI think people are becoming more free with their sexuality. If a straight guy can try it with a gay guy, why can't a gay guy try it with a woman?



    Sorry, but a straight guy trying it with a gay guy, would not be straight. There are lots of gay guys, that will make up any silly excuse, but admit they are gay.
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    Nov 21, 2009 6:23 PM GMT
    I am sexually and emotionally attracted to men but that doesn't stop me from seeing the beauty in women.
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    Nov 21, 2009 6:26 PM GMT
    Pinny saidI am sexually and emotionally attracted to men but that doesn't stop me from seeing the beauty in women.


    Hell yeaa man. Best damn statement on here!
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    Nov 21, 2009 6:26 PM GMT
    MikePhilPerez said
    WildjokerQ saidI think people are becoming more free with their sexuality. If a straight guy can try it with a gay guy, why can't a gay guy try it with a woman?



    Sorry, but a straight guy trying it with a gay guy, would not be straight. There are lots of gay guys, that will make up any silly excuse, but admit they are gay.


    Doesn't that seem a bit intolerant? It seems like you are implying you have to be one or the other. I think everyone is allowed to experiment and not have to have a label attached to them for it. I thought we were done thinking sexuality was so black and white. Gay guys aren't ashamed or denying who they are if they experiment with girls, and straight guys don't have to be stuck as gay for the rest of their lives if they experimented with a guy.
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    Nov 21, 2009 6:26 PM GMT
    A trend I've noticed that sort of relates to the OP is gay guys who have replaced the classic "fag hag" with these petite, pretty girls who are far more vicious and defensive.

    It seems as though the classic fag-hag relationship was one of lonely equals, but with no sexual tension or implied sexuality between the two. But this new dynamic that involves single, trendy looking girls is one where the participants walk right up to the line of sex and then stop. There's more than the whiff of sexuality there, and there is certainly more romantic and emotional intertwining going on.

    My ex is a great example of this with his "girlfriend". He has replaced relationships and intimacy with other men with her. He is decidedly non-sexual (this I know well first hand) and this relationship with his girlfriend seems to fulfill all his needs. Never mind that she has an actual boyfriend who I feel sorry for because he will never have the emotional intimacy she is comfortable sharing with my ex.

    I guess maybe this sort of relationship now exists so that otherwise insecure and selfish people don't have to commit or complicate things with a relationship involving commitment and, god forbid, sexual intimacy.

    A fag-hag has never been a part of my life and never will be, nor will a "girlfriend". I don't hate women, but I don't feel the need to always have one around either. I am very secure in my masculinity and secure in the fact that I am gay - 100 percent.

    Has anyone else noticed this trend of the "pretty girl/pretty gay guy" or is this just another Chicago anomoly?
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    Nov 21, 2009 6:31 PM GMT
    1) Gay porn that claims its models are straight.
    2) Internalized homophobia - "str8 acting"
    3) The g0y belief system that is so fucked up as to brush all gay men with the broad stroke that they are all nellys/fairies/fems/puffs/etc and only embellish/embody those types of stereotypical behaviors.

    (#3 is a product of the above two points)


    If I'm at the club, I'm more likely to get laid by gay men if I'm making out and grinding with a woman than if I'm dancing the Single Ladies choreography I've memorized by heart.
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    Nov 21, 2009 6:39 PM GMT
    BTW, for movie trivia buffs: the 2 bare-chested guys pictured in the OP are actors Richard Carlson (R) and Richard Denning (L). They're appearing in the 1954 horror classic "Creature From The Black Lagoon." That's water you see on their bodies, not sweat, since they've just come out of the lagoon, onto a boat, obviously disturbed by the alarming things they've discovered there.
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    Nov 21, 2009 6:42 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidBTW, for movie trivia buffs: the 2 bare-chested guys pictured in the OP are actors Richard Carlson (R) and Richard Denning (L). They're appearing in the 1954 horror classic "Creature From The Black Lagoon." That's water you see on their bodies, not sweat, since they've just come out of the lagoon, onto a boat.


    If memory serves, Richard Denning played the Governor through the entire run of Hawaii Five-O didn't he?
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    Red_Vespa saidBTW, for movie trivia buffs: the 2 bare-chested guys pictured in the OP are actors Richard Carlson (R) and Richard Denning (L). They're appearing in the 1954 horror classic "Creature From The Black Lagoon." That's water you see on their bodies, not sweat, since they've just come out of the lagoon, onto a boat.


    If memory serves, Richard Denning played the Governor through the entire run of Hawaii Five-O didn't he?

    Correct, point to ChicagoBriGuy! I also have an interesting personal anecdote about Jack Lord, when I interned at CBS while taking my Broadcasting degree, before returning to regular active service in the Army.
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    drypin saidI'm actually surprised by this topic GuiltyGear,

    As much as I love checking up on this site and hearing people's varied opinions, I would have said that, if anything, there are more people who feel the need to stress that they love men. Maybe we should be grateful to these others for the variety they bring. I certainly doesn't make me feel out of place if jawrhed dives for muff now and then.


    Ughhhh, you're diving for Jawrhed's muff....cold day in hell, my friend, cold day in hell. teeth Pictures, Images and Photos

    Actually, I'm surprised that you don't know affectation when you see it. I DO NOT see people cramming it down the collective throat that they like guys, that's just a given due to what this is, a gay site. I see guys going out of their way in threads that aren't even about it to say, "I like broads,"....you know, who asked?

    Furthermore, I don't like what you imply, that I sit around worrying what "bi" or "please, Mary who are you kidden" sexuals spend their time. That is a disgusting accusation. When I think about stuff like that I get nauseous. This isn't about sex, this is about me loving pride in one self, being genuine, and not affecting. People can make a thread about how much they hate feminine affectation and you wouldn't think anything of it, but to switch it around and question "masculine" affectation....god forbid. Dude, wake up and smell the bullshit, allright.

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    Nov 21, 2009 6:55 PM GMT
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    WildjokerQ saidI think people are becoming more free with their sexuality. If a straight guy can try it with a gay guy, why can't a gay guy try it with a woman?



    Sorry, but a straight guy trying it with a gay guy, would not be straight. There are lots of gay guys, that will make up any silly excuse, but admit they are gay.


    Doesn't that seem a bit intolerant? It seems like you are implying you have to be one or the other. I think everyone is allowed to experiment and not have to have a label attached to them for it. I thought we were done thinking sexuality was so black and white. Gay guys aren't ashamed or denying who they are if they experiment with girls, and straight guys don't have to be stuck as gay for the rest of their lives if they experimented with a guy.


    It's a macho thing. It's sad, but true. A lot of gay guys say they are interested in girls, simply because (they think) it make them more of a man, than just being gay. There is one very good case of this here on RJ. Where anytime he talks about getting hit on by a woman, he's all "I'm hot all the women want me, but any time he talks about getting hit on by a man, he's all "they have no integrity, they have no discipline, they are skinny, and have no muscle, they don't go to the Gym, they beg me for sex" As far as I know he does not have a hot list. I mean that would be way too gay.
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    Nov 21, 2009 7:00 PM GMT
    I don't think I could ever stop dating women. Women are fantastic, beautiful, sexy and, for the most part, the ones who tickle my special bone icon_redface.gif
    That being said, men can be all those things too. So maybe I'm a minority here.


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    Nov 21, 2009 7:33 PM GMT
    MikePhilPerez said...As far as I know he does not have a hot list. I mean that would be way too gay.

    Well, on that point, I don't have a Hot List, either. But I have a partner, so I'm not sure what mixed messages a hot listing would send. I find buddy listing enough for me to remember which guys I've enjoyed meeting online. Their hotness will have to be for others, not for this monogamous old queen. icon_rolleyes.gif

    But I agree with you that some guys do feel that women hitting on them proves their hotness. Actually, if they really understood what attracts most women, they'd realize how mistaken that assumption that can be.

    For myself, I'm more concerned that a man would find me hot (hypothetical these days), because a man is what attracts me, not a woman. I'm interested in the potential to go further with him, not in acting foolish with her.

    Flattery tastes sweet, but reality can be bitter. I think I'm better off playing on my side of the fence, and judging myself by my own sexual criteria, not by a straight man's. I'm already superior to them in most of the other ways they rate themselves, why should I be piggish and rob them of their imagined sexual prowess with women, too? icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 21, 2009 7:44 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]ChicagoBriGuy said[/cite]A trend I've noticed that sort of relates to the OP is gay guys who have replaced the classic "fag hag" with these petite, pretty girls who are far more vicious and defensive.

    I agree with you Chicago. I have always needed girls in my life. It's a good balance. Living in Monaco leaves me with NO gay friends or culture. I get from this site. So, my friends consist of a mix of guys and gals. The girls are very competitive for my attention/affection and it is sometimes sexual..

    I miss my old fat black goth fag hags of the Eighties.icon_cry.gif

    I hope that people can be more accepting though about people "trying" to cross onto the other side. Especially on this site. We cross a serious line when we start criticising boys like some of the comments that have been posted on this thread.