PATRICK KENNEDY BARRED FROM COMMUNION FROM CATHOLIC CHURCH

  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 23, 2009 12:56 AM GMT
    I heard Patrick had been barred and was surprised to hear why....
    his stance in the House on Abortion.

    From CNN:



    STORY HIGHLIGHTS
    Patrick Kennedy tells newspaper that bishop barred him from Communion
    Diocese confirms it, says ban came in a confidential pastoral discussion in 2007
    Bishop says he's "disappointed" that Kennedy made their conversation public
    Kennedy fought ban on funding abortion, but voted for health care bill that included the ban


    Washington (CNN) -- Rhode Island's top Roman Catholic leader has asked Rep. Patrick Kennedy to stop taking Communion over his support for abortion rights, the diocese said Sunday.

    In a statement issued Sunday, Providence Bishop Thomas Tobin said he told Kennedy in February 2007 that it would be "inappropriate" for him to continue receiving the fundamental Catholic sacrament, "and I now ask respectfully that you refrain from doing so."

    Kennedy, a Democrat, is the son of the late Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy and a scion of the most prominent Catholic family in modern U.S. politics.

    In an interview published Sunday, Patrick Kennedy told the Providence Journal that Tobin had barred him from receiving communion and instructed priests in the diocese not to administer the sacrament "because of the positions that I've taken as a public official."

    Tobin, in a statement issued in response to the Kennedy interview, said his advice to the congressman was "pastoral and confidential," and he was surprised that Kennedy chose to discuss it publicly.

    "I am disappointed that the congressman would make public my request of nearly three years ago that sought to provide solely for his spiritual well-being," he said.

    The Roman Catholic Church strongly opposes abortion, which has been legal across the United States since 1973. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops lobbied for tight restrictions on federal funding of abortion in the health care bill the House of Representatives passed earlier this month.

    Kennedy opposed a provision that restricted the use of federal money for abortions, but voted in favor of final passage of the bill that included that language.

    Efforts to reach Kennedy's representatives were unsuccessful Sunday afternoon. But most bishops and priests oppose using communion as a "political weapon," and Kennedy's disclosure may be an attempt to push back against the bishops' support for the abortion restrictions in the House bill, CNN senior Vatican analyst John Allen said.

    "The Catholic bishops have been fairly successful, at least to date, at putting abortion at the center of the debate over health care reform, and that obviously has generated some resentment from people who don't share their views," Allen said.

    Kennedy's decision to come forward "in effect puts the Catholic bishops in a negative light, because it ends up making them look intolerant," Allen said.

    Tobin said Sunday only that he asked Kennedy not to take Communion.

    "I have no desire to continue the discussion of Congressman Kennedy's spiritual life in public," he said. "At the same time, I will absolutely respond publicly and strongly whenever he attacks the Catholic Church, misrepresents the teachings of the church or issues inaccurate statements about my pastoral ministry."

    In an October interview, Kennedy criticized the bishops for threatening to oppose the overall bill if it did not include those restrictions. That prompted Tobin to call Kennedy's position "unacceptable to the church and scandalous to many of our members."

    The latest exchange was comes on the 46th anniversary of the assassination of Kennedy's uncle, John F. Kennedy, the nation's first Catholic president. Patrick Kennedy is the last member of his family serving in Congress.



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    Nov 23, 2009 1:12 AM GMT
    He can always become a protestant, they would not do such a thing....
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    Nov 23, 2009 1:16 AM GMT
    So much for those claiming that the Catholic church respects personal "conscience" with regard to church teachings. Once again that is proved to be Bull-shit.

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    Nov 23, 2009 1:19 AM GMT
    I agree with the Bishop because if you support abortion, you can't take communion.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 23, 2009 1:23 AM GMT
    Rodmramer saidI agree with the Bishop because if you support abortion, you can't take communion.


    I'm an Episcopalian (non catholic) and I take communion every time I'm in church... and I support abortion rights.
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    Nov 23, 2009 1:26 AM GMT
    Rodmramer saidI agree with the Bishop because if you support abortion, you can't take communion.


    No they would also rather a child die of starvation, in a 3rd world country too, than let them use condoms to prevent this.

    How many souls of children has this church raped too?
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    Nov 23, 2009 1:31 AM GMT
    how can a church ban you from communion? that's not a church's call. that's amazing, crazy and sad!!!!!!!!!

    How about those priests who were and are molesting children, what about those priests and bishops who knew and did nothing. Did they ban themselves from taking communion?
  • GTBL88

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    Nov 23, 2009 1:31 AM GMT
    go figure
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    Nov 23, 2009 1:32 AM GMT
    He should look on the bright side - imagine how many empty calories not eating a whole year's worth of communion wafers could save him!
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    Nov 23, 2009 1:33 AM GMT
    Rodmramer saidI agree with the Bishop because if you support abortion, you can't take communion.


    says who?
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    Nov 23, 2009 1:35 AM GMT
    Blondizgd said, "How about those priests who were and are molesting children, what about those priests and bishops who knew and did nothing. Did they ban themselves from taking communion?"

    ...now THAT'S a good question!
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    Nov 23, 2009 1:40 AM GMT
    If the church wants to be involved in politics, then it should pay taxes, like everybody else.

    TAX THE CHURCH
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    Nov 23, 2009 1:58 AM GMT
    oooookkkk!

    didn't know that a church had this within their power. thought it was up to the individual to determine his or her standing with God.

    interesting.
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    Nov 23, 2009 2:02 AM GMT
    If you are Roman Catholic and publicly support the murder of the unborn you should be denied Holy Communion.Amazing a bishop who finally has the cojones to stand up to the Kennedys....wow the Second Coming must be just around the corner.This debate always comes back to the same question.If you publicly dissent from the teachings of your church...then why remain?That makes you a total hypocrite.If Patrick Kennedy does not believe in the Church's moral teachings then he should leave.Does that make sense to some?
  • Celticmusl

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    Nov 23, 2009 2:08 AM GMT
    Well none of this surprises me. Communion is not a legal right, or the right of a Christian or Catholic. You actually have to go through training to get the right to take Communion in the Catholic curch. Hasn't anyone ever heard of "First Communion"? Before this, you're not allowed to have communion. If you get divorced without the churches consent you cannot take communion, etc.

    Here's something else that might shock you:

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    Nov 23, 2009 2:12 AM GMT
    I wonder if Ted Kennedy received Communion after he killed Mary Jo Kopechne
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    Nov 23, 2009 2:17 AM GMT
    jprichva said
    Rodmramer saidI wonder if Ted Kennedy received Communion after he killed Mary Jo Kopechne

    I wonder if any of the Bush officials received communion after killing 500,000 innocent Iraqis.

    This game can be played without end.

    Do you suppose Rick Perry gets communion after he knowingly permitted an innocent man to be executed, a fact he is trying desperately now to cover up?

    Hm, apparently 'thou shalt not kill' means 'thou shalt not kill people who don't annoy me, but have at the ones who do'.




    I thought Bushes are protestantsicon_twisted.gif
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    Nov 23, 2009 2:18 AM GMT
    Well WickedRyan that's an interesting take, so how would you deal with this? Women have abortions for whatever reason and some simply ask for forgiveness in private prayer, then go have communion. Should they have to undergo a physical to see if they've had an abortion? Should their medical records be made available to the clergy?

    Men sin and ask forgiveness privately in prayer and then go have communion. Should people in the churches that have communion be willing to have private investigators tail them for signs of un-confessed sin?

    It's between your maker and you, no church has the right to intercede.

    We think Mr Kennedy should cross the floor to another faith. No gay acting on his or her gayness should be able to have communion, so are parishioners to allow cameras in their bedrooms?


    The fact is the church is meddling in politics and has no right to do so.

    And there's a topic about why all the religious topics. Lol. This is why.



  • wellwell

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    Nov 23, 2009 2:23 AM GMT
    Tysk, Tysk; who wins & who loses w/ the new status?
  • Celticmusl

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    Nov 23, 2009 2:28 AM GMT
    meninlove said Well WickedRyan that's an interesting take, so how would you deal with this? Women have abortions for whatever reason and some simply ask for forgiveness in private prayer, then go have communion. Should they have to undergo a physical to see if they've had an abortion? Should their medical records be made available to the clergy?

    Men sin and ask forgiveness privately in prayer and then go have communion. Should people in the churches that have communion be willing to have private investigators tail them for signs of un-confessed sin?

    It's between your maker and you, no church has the right to intercede.

    We think Mr Kennedy should cross the floor to another faith. No gay acting on his or her gayness should be able to have communion, so are parishioners to allow cameras in their bedrooms?


    The fact is the church is meddling in politics and has no right to do so.

    And there's a topic about why all the religious topics. Lol. This is why.





    Well Wickedryan is right, he is not making this up. You have no right in the Catholic Church to take communion unless you are WORTHY of receiving it. It is not some type of right that any Christian or Catholic has, regardless of your relationship with God. You cannot have communion unless you go through a training which is before "first communion". If you're gay, you probably shouldn't be going to communion....I know I wouldn't....because I have a discord with the churches faith, and I do not accept their current teachings. Taking communion means you follow the practices of the Catholic religion, as well as being WORTHY. Worthy, as in, according to the Catholic Church. There are a number of people in my community that do not take Communion because they are not strictly following the current Catholic faith. I hope I explained this ok.
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    Nov 23, 2009 2:31 AM GMT
    It's a Roman Catholic church! it is not a democracy. I would think most of you guys would know this. Why do you think Martin Luther left? If you are Catholic, you have to accept the authority of the pope and you are subject to whatever spiritual whim he has
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    Nov 23, 2009 2:32 AM GMT
    Well, those are the rules of Catholicism. It is a religion based on fear and guilt and if Patrick Kennedy opposes those viewpoints, it would be better to move on.

    It is good as to reveal such regressive viewpoints with any organisation and hopefully open the minds of others. However, a true Catholic would never dare defy the church. I was a forced Catholic and my relatives still converse with me ( and some may even admire my staunch stance) but they will still go to church on Sunday and get down on their knees.

    There are better places for Mr. Kennedy to have faith than the hypocritical catholic church.
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    Nov 23, 2009 2:35 AM GMT
    jprichva said it has lost any shred of moral authority.
    I would never recognize the authority of such an organization either. I guess some people just like that master servant relationship icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 23, 2009 2:38 AM GMT
    Blackguy4you saidoooookkkk!

    didn't know that a church had this within their power. thought it was up to the individual to determine his or her standing with God.

    interesting.

    Hahaha...that was the whole point of the Reformation:

    1 Sola scriptura ("by Scripture alone")
    2 Sola fide ("by faith alone")
    3 Sola gratia ("by grace alone")
    4 Solo Christo ("through Christ alone")
    5 Soli Deo gloria ("glory to God alone")

    See, no pope, bishops, priests, or church necessary
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    Nov 23, 2009 2:41 AM GMT
    This is in line with the church's teachings.

    As is the promotion of Archbishop Stepinac to Cardinal and his beatification after being found guilty of war crimes (his house arrest was considered a martyrdom).

    And of course the lives of Africans aren't as important as the church's stance on condoms.

    And we all know the church's position on Marriage Equality is more important than feeding the homeless in Washington.

    Were I a Catholic, I would be moving on to another denomination.