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    Nov 23, 2009 1:04 AM GMT
    Since y'all were a great help before I am here to enlist your aide again. I am planning on making a sugar cream pie for Thanksgiving and need a good recipe and any tips. Be looking online and a ton of recipes and I did attempt one before and it was a bit soupy.

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    Nov 23, 2009 2:13 AM GMT
    I was unfamiliar with a sugar pie so I googled it and pasted a bit of history along with what sounds like a pretty common recipe for it, My teeth are throbbing after reading all about it LOL

    Sugar cream pie, or Hoosier sugar cream pie, Indiana cream pie, sugar pie, or finger pie, is simply a pie shell spread with layers of creamed butter and maple or brown sugar with a sprinkling of flour, then filled with vanilla-flavored cream and baked.


    1850s - The recipe appears to have originated in Indiana with the Shaker and/or Amish communities in the 1800s as a great pie recipe to use when the apple bins were empty. You will find somewhat similar pies in the Pennsylvania Dutch County and a few other places in the United States with significant Amish populations. The Shakers believed in eating hearty and healthy food. They definitely must have had a sweet tooth, though, judging by the sugar cream pie.

    This pie was also know as finger pie because the filling was sometimes stirred with a finger during the baking process to prevent breaking the bottom crust. People used to skim the thick yellow cream from the top of chilled fresh milk to make this delectable dessert.

    The following information is courtesy of Joanne Raetz Stuttgen, author of Cafe Indiana:

    I suspect there is no single origin of sugar cream pie. It is a simple and basic pie "desperation pie" that could be made with ingredients that would have nearly always been on hand on any farm, just like buttermilk pie, vinegar pie, and mock apple pie using green tomatoes. It's possible that it may have originated with Indiana pioneers, or with the Amish, who make a similar type of egg less baked cream pie. The Hoosier Cookbook (1976), by Elaine Lumbra and Jacqueline Lacy, includes but one recipe for sugar cream pie. The note says it is a 160-year-old recipe; it was contributed by Mrs. Kenneth D. Hahn of Miami County. This would take the recipe back to 1816, the year of Indiana statehood. So, you might ask, which came first? Indiana or sugar cream pie? The arrival of the Amish began in the 1830s, so apparently Hoosier sugar cream pie predates the Amish. I find it very interesting that in The Hoosier Cookbook, the two recipes following the one for sugar cream pie are Amish Vanilla Pie and Vinegar Pie, two other desperation pies.

    I've had a chance to do some research and make some calls to the Shaker villages in Kentucky, Massachusetts, and New Hampshire, a historian of Shaker religion at Indiana University, and the local extension homemakers council. The "finger" sugar cream pie you have in your cookbook may be derived from the Eastern Shaker community, West Union Shaker Village in Busro, Indiana. A recipe for Sister Lizzie's Sugar Pie appears in The Best of Shaker Cooking by Amy Bess Williams Miller and Persis Wellington Fuller. The historian at Shaker Hill is unfamiliar with the pie among the foodways of the Western community, of which the short-lived Indiana community (1810-1827) was a part. She doubts that its origins lie in the western community.

    The dry mix method was/is apparently also by the Amish (Haedrich, 373), of which there are large and very old communities in Indiana. I am also familiar with a baked Amish cream pie that is similar to sugar cream, but it has a stiffer texture (more like pumpkin pie) and is not as "gluey" as sugar cream.

    There are many varied recipes for sugar cream pie in Hoosier compiled cookbooks. Most have very similar ingredients (a few have eggs or egg yolks), but the cooking methods vary. Instructions include cooking the filling on the stovetop and pouring it into a baked pie shell, at which time the pie is finished; or, then putting the cooked filling/baked pie shell in the oven and baking 10 to 15 minutes; or putting the uncooked filling in an unbaked pie shell and baking the pie until it is done, about an hour or longer. None of the methods have the baker putting the dry ingredients into the shell, pouring over the liquid, and baking the pie in the oven. No one I have talked to here in Indiana has ever made the pie that way. Although to be honest, few people I talked to make the pie at all, or had mothers who made it.

    In my opinion, Hoosier sugar cream pie is best distinguished by the lack of eggs (even though some local recipes include them) and the wet filling.

    Quebec Sugar Cream Pie:
    8-inch pie crust

    1 cup brown sugar, lightly packed
    1 tablespoon flour
    1 cup (minus 2 tablespoons) heavy or whipping cream

    Preheat oven to 325 degrees F.
    Mix dry ingredients directly in prepared pie crust until flour disappears. Add cream and mix with finger or wooden spoon.

    Bake until entire surface of filling is boiling and crust is well bronzed (about 50-60 minutes). Let cool to room temperature before serving.

    A fresh pie crust can be used, but I got into the habit of freezing my pie crusts before using. This allows me to mix the ingredients with a spoon without damaging the crust.

    It is easier to tell when the pie is baked by eye rather than by time. You will see lively boiling in the center, and sluggish boiling on the edge where the filling has thickened.

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    Nov 23, 2009 2:40 AM GMT
    Wow, sugar cream pie. That sounds awesomely headonistically wonderful... I'm workin on pumpkin and sweet potato cheese cakes....
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    Nov 23, 2009 3:30 AM GMT
    I am doing Paula Dean's Pumpkin Rum Pie tooicon_biggrin.gif the Sugar Cream is for my hubby and my mom (who I traveling 10+hrs to see us). I am not a fan of the Sugar Cream Pie.