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  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 24, 2009 4:38 PM GMT
    Chris Matthews on "Hardball" with the Catholic Bishop in question
    Chris really takes on the bishop...







    More on the controversy in general for those who haven't heard about it.


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    Nov 24, 2009 5:11 PM GMT
    chris mattew, needs to let people get a word in
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    Nov 24, 2009 6:27 PM GMT
    haha The Bishop who Chris tried to filibuster got in the best last words..."reflect on your Catholic faith" The Church does not answer to anyone esp liberal blockheads like Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann.If only Cardinal O Malley of Boston had some cojones.he has been a big disappointment.
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    Nov 24, 2009 6:34 PM GMT
    Blondizgd saidchris mattew, needs to let people get a word in

    Yeah, disregarding this particular issue for a moment, I rarely watch Matthews because he runs roughshod over his guests, one of those egotistical "interviewers" who just wants to hear himself talk, not what his guests have to say.
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    Nov 24, 2009 6:46 PM GMT
    lol @ Catholics, and this is coming from a former Novice.
  • styrgan

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    Nov 24, 2009 7:41 PM GMT
    I heart Chris Matthews...
  • styrgan

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    Nov 24, 2009 7:42 PM GMT
    Blondizgd saidchris mattew, needs to let people get a word in


    It's called not letting people bullshit you, and I wish more of the country's less biased anchors and commentators did it as well.
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    Nov 24, 2009 8:02 PM GMT
    styrgan said
    Blondizgd saidchris mattew, needs to let people get a word in


    It's called not letting people bullshit you, and I wish more of the country's less biased anchors and commentators did it as well.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I watch Chris Matthews quite a bit, and sometimes he is guilty of overtalking but, I think that the better share of the time he's like your saying cutting off bullshit. Frankly the catholic church like Matthews mentions has no place in the Political arena. I Purhaps if the catholic church didn't have their parishoners over the 'going to hell barrel' they wouldn't give a damn what they said. I do think that Matthews inadvertantly gives credence to what the Catholic church says just by interviewing a Church rep. I wish the Matthews of the media wouldn't even give Churchs the time of day. That would forward separation of church and state better than giving the church a forum to speak in and then the media dissagreeing with them.
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    Nov 24, 2009 8:54 PM GMT
    Cannabilism is wrong, body of christ or not.
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    Nov 24, 2009 9:03 PM GMT
    I think Mathews is right, the church has failed to enforce their beliefs on the people so they want the law to do it. And the bishop uses a cop-out to avoid arresting a woman receiving one.

    Separation of church and state, what the hell is it they do not understand?

    Great interview.
  • jarhead5536

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    Nov 24, 2009 11:05 PM GMT
    a2jock saidI think Mathews is right, the church has failed to enforce their beliefs on the people so they want the law to do it. And the bishop uses a cop-out to avoid arresting a woman receiving one.

    Separation of church and state, what the hell is it they do not understand?

    Great interview.


    Thing is they don't understand, and frankly don't care. The laws of man are immaterial to a heirarchical faith like Catholicism or Islam. They know that they can't influence the law, but they will threaten the eternal souls of the faithful if that's what it takes. God's law is all that matters to them...
  • GQjock

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    Nov 25, 2009 12:06 PM GMT
    This is a banner in bright neon lights blinking with sirens blaring in the background

    Why we have SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
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    Nov 25, 2009 12:19 PM GMT
    I think Chris was a bit over bearing, but he was right on point.

    Religious organizations should not be able to blackmail politicians into voting against their conscious. This is a very clear example of one of the many good reasons for keeping church and state separated.
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    Nov 25, 2009 12:31 PM GMT
    I think by now, everyone here knows how I feel about religion, god, etc.....However what really pisses me off about this is that this might be his personal view or not. It is irrelevant!
    He needs to be voting as to how the majority of the people he represents feel. How a politician feels personally about a matter does not matter. As long as he is the voice of the people he represents. And if this is the case, then the catholics should be banning the people who "feel" the same way he does. But no, they would never do that because they wouldn't be able to get money from the mindless flocks of sheep!
    Here is another PERFECT example of why the religious/cult organisations should be paying taxes. They want to play in politics, then pay up like we all do.
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    Nov 25, 2009 12:40 PM GMT
    Let's see...

    Catholic priests/bishops hate abortion.

    Catholic priests/bishops love abusing boys.

    Glad they are consistent...
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    Nov 25, 2009 1:19 PM GMT
    Paste of my post to the earlier thread on this topic:

    In the 1960 US Presidential election, Republicans raised the specter that Democratic candidate John F. Kennedy would be a tool of the Vatican. As a practicing Roman Catholic, if the Pope or a Bishop told President Kennedy to do something, he'd be obliged to obey, the Republicans suggested, so vote for Protestant Nixon instead. Kennedy and the RCC both denied such a scenario.

    Decades later it's the Republicans who are in bed with Christian churches, including the RCC, using the power of religion to influence politics. After 8 years of Bush and Faith Based Initiatives, it's no surprise the RCC has grown so bold, in thinking it can openly do what it renounced doing 50 years ago.

    When a church orders an elected US official how to vote on specific issues, under threat of expulsion and pain of sin, that's a violation of its tax exempt status. If the RCC is going to force elected officials to serve 2 masters, the people and the Church, then I'd have to support the Republican contention back in 1960, that no US Roman Catholic should hold public office.
  • coolarmydude

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    Nov 25, 2009 1:35 PM GMT
    Kennedy should do the logical thing and denounce Catholicism.

    As a former Catholic, these political movements from the church give me more satisfaction that I left. Instead of embracing people and the diversity of ideas, they choose to alienate themselves further.

    Growing up as a Catholic, the church claimed that the Virgin Mary who appeared to the children of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia asked people to pray the rosary in order to fight Communism. Now that Communism in Russia has collapsed, the new claim is that the Virgin Mary is now asking people to pray the rosary to end abortion. What a mind fuck!
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    Nov 25, 2009 1:37 PM GMT
    I think you make a very good point Musclequest. However, I don't think the use of the words conscious or personal view precludes him from voting with his constituency.

    His personal view may be that he needs to represent the people's view and not his own. His conscious may also dictate that the views of the constituency are more important than his own faith.

    That having been said, I am sure there are many people in his constituency that agree with him, even if they are not the majority vote. If public officials only catered to the majority vote, minority groups would not get a say.

    When I say "minority" groups I am referring to any individuals who may be on the unpopular side of a vote.


    Musclequest saidI think by now, everyone here knows how I feel about religion, god, etc.....However what really pisses me off about this is that this might be his personal view or not. It is irrelevant!
    He needs to be voting as to how the majority of the people he represents feel. How a politician feels personally about a matter does not matter. As long as he is the voice of the people he represents. And if this is the case, then the catholics should be banning the people who "feel" the same way he does. But no, they would never do that because they wouldn't be able to get money from the mindless flocks of sheep!
    Here is another PERFECT example of why the religious/cult organisations should be paying taxes. They want to play in politics, then pay up like we all do.
    Keith
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    Nov 25, 2009 2:26 PM GMT
    creyente saidI think you make a very good point Musclequest. However, I don't think the use of the words conscious or personal view precludes him from voting with his constituency.

    His personal view may be that he needs to represent the people's view and not his own. His conscious may also dictate that the views of the constituency are more important than his own faith.

    That having been said, I am sure there are many people in his constituency that agree with him, even if they are not the majority vote. If public officials only catered to the majority vote, minority groups would not get a say.

    When I say "minority" groups I am referring to any individuals who may be on the unpopular side of a vote.



    Thank you.
    I don't know if I agree with that. I could care less what the personal views are of an elected official are. He is there to vote what the majority of the people in his area put him there to do. Well what about the people in his area that didn't vote for him/her? He represents them too. It is up to the people in his area, whether they voted for him or not, to voice their opinions. Then he and his staff figure the majority from the opinions and vote. When I have issues, I call and write my senators and congress-people.
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  • GQjock

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    Nov 26, 2009 1:03 PM GMT
    Growing up as a Catholic, the church claimed that the Virgin Mary who appeared to the children of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia asked people to pray the rosary in order to fight Communism. Now that Communism in Russia has collapsed, the new claim is that the Virgin Mary is now asking people to pray the rosary to end abortion. What a mind fuck!


    What a mind fuck!

    That is exactly what Religion IS ....... a Mind Fuck
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    Nov 27, 2009 3:22 AM GMT
    . . . the lad just needs to move on . . . we all know that the Kennedys have been catholic in name only for a very long time . . . they should stop playing games and stop taking advantage of the rubes in the pews . . . oh, that's right, it would take honesty . . .
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    Nov 27, 2009 3:38 AM GMT
    Will these people EVER LEARN! The Catholic church is an outdated institution. This is exactly the type behavior/attitude I would expect the Catholic leadership to have.
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    Nov 28, 2009 11:28 PM GMT
    Raised Catholic and product of Catholic schools through 12th grade. Most Catholics I knew when I was growing up -- family and friends -- didn't give a rat's patootie what any Bishop said, or for the most part what the parish priest said either. They knew what they believed, thank you very much, and they knew the higher clergy were a bunch of politicians very probably less scrupulous than the ones on the ballot. Maybe it was not the same for every Catholic ethnic group, but I certainly grew up with no great respect for Bishops.
    If a Bishop wants to deny someone the sacraments, he can excommunicate him. Short of that step, which I doubt any rational donation-conscious Bishop would do, Kennedy should privately tell him to take a flying leap.
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    Nov 28, 2009 11:37 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidKennedy should do the logical thing and denounce Catholicism.

    As a former Catholic, these political movements from the church give me more satisfaction that I left. Instead of embracing people and the diversity of ideas, they choose to alienate themselves further.

    Growing up as a Catholic, the church claimed that the Virgin Mary who appeared to the children of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia asked people to pray the rosary in order to fight Communism. Now that Communism in Russia has collapsed, the new claim is that the Virgin Mary is now asking people to pray the rosary to end abortion. What a mind fuck!


    what does pray the rosary mean? are you praying to the rosary or with them? what exactly?
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    Nov 28, 2009 11:47 PM GMT
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    coolarmydude saidKennedy should do the logical thing and denounce Catholicism.

    As a former Catholic, these political movements from the church give me more satisfaction that I left. Instead of embracing people and the diversity of ideas, they choose to alienate themselves further.

    Growing up as a Catholic, the church claimed that the Virgin Mary who appeared to the children of Medjugorje, Yugoslavia asked people to pray the rosary in order to fight Communism. Now that Communism in Russia has collapsed, the new claim is that the Virgin Mary is now asking people to pray the rosary to end abortion. What a mind fuck!


    what does pray the rosary mean? are you praying to the rosary or with them? what exactly?
    It is a ritual prayer (with beads) where you repeat stuff over and over again .. kinda like rubbing the genies lamp icon_rolleyes.gif

    http://www.catholic.org/prayers/rosary.php
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosary