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    May 09, 2007 9:07 PM GMT
    So I hate to bring up the issue of carbs - I mean I know it's sorta been beaten to death, but I'm wondering if anyone has input on my dilemma...trying to drop some weight. I know that when we resistance train our muscles need carbs to stay strong or even better get biGGer..., but my gut doesn' how do I reconcile the two? Do I just get over the carb thing and kick the cardio up a notch? Your thoughts...

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    May 10, 2007 12:04 AM GMT
    One of the trainers at my gym is a body builder, and he has this little spiel about how there are essential fats and essential amino acids but there's no such thing as an essential carbohydrate. According to him, the body can make glycogen from protein, and his diet is primarily beef, chicken, vegetables, and whey protein.

    In my own case, I got fat on a largely grain and bean based diet, and by switching to a diet of meat and vegetables, I lost 30 pounds in five months. But, my body fat has stalled at ~16%, and nothing I've done has been able to burn off any more fat.

    The only thing I would suggest is to experiment with your diet, and see what works.
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    May 10, 2007 12:19 AM GMT
    Well, your body CAN burn fats and protein, but, fats burn in the flame of carbs and a rapid metabolism.

    First thing, increase your lean muscle mass. That'll help you burn more calories.

    Do cardio with relatively low blood sugar.

    Unless you are doing a bodybuilding contest, there's no need to starve. Avoid real "fast" carbs except after a workout (carb load), do your cardio, don't eat sugar, and fats, together, and you'll get leaner.

    It takes time. Time to get fat, and time to get unfat.
  • atxclimber

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    May 10, 2007 12:38 AM GMT
    Randomly, I'm watching a DVD about fat burning right now that I got from the physical therapy practice I've been going to for my knee.

    It's very good. I recommend it. Doug Kelsey, the head PT of Sports Center Austin, has a blog he updates weekly with great physical-therapy-related info:

    ... and he's made a handful of DVDs which are recordings of free informational sessions he does at his office.

    The fat burning one is, so far, very good. He talks very directly to the science behind metabolic rates, interval training, alcohol's effect on weight loss, stress's effect on weight loss, etc. He's direct and clearly knows his stuff. Best of all, for a DVD about a fitness topic, he uses remarkably few stupid buzz phrases, he doesn't have terrifying gleaming white teeth, and he doesn't resemble Tony Robbins in any way. No creepy cult-like self-improvement stuff here.

    Anyway, I'd recommend it as good viewing if you want help shedding pounds. It's the "Fat Burning 101" DVD on here:
  • GQjock

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    May 11, 2007 6:27 PM GMT
    Looks like you've got some very good info already
    ...but it's relatively simple
    You do need to feed your muscles yes as they grow so no strenuous dieting or you'll be sabotaging your own progress
    a good rule of thumb is 1:1:2
    where the 1's are carbs and fats and the 2 is protein
    so up the protein intake and keep the fats and carbs down somewhat
    the fats can be even less
    but don't eat any processed carbs--white breads...sugary cereals...and no fast foods
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    May 11, 2007 6:39 PM GMT
    Kick up the cardio- Biking is the best for keeping the stomach down. I eat a TON of carbs, and granted I'll only get a six pack if I - uh - well STARVE myself for a week or two, but I'm not fat.

    good luck
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    May 11, 2007 10:05 PM GMT
    Carbohydrates are an important part of any healthy diet. Eaten regularly, carbs do NOT lead to weight gain, unless (like any food group) they are eaten to excess. After all, eating too much of anything and not burning it off through physical activity will lead to weight gain. That said, weight for weight, carbs provide fewer calories than fat or alcohol. It's also what you add to the carbohydrates that bump up the calories. For example, the margarine or butter we put on the bread and the cream or cheese sauces we add to pasta. So if you need to lose weight, cut down on these added fats, NOT the carbs.
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    May 12, 2007 1:06 AM GMT
    It all boils down to calories. Your body needs energy to do everything you want to do in fitness...oh yeah... and to keep you alive. The enery the body uses is measured in calories. There are 9 calories in 1 gram of fat, yet only 4 calories in a gram of carbs or protein. If you lower your carb intake and increase your fat intake, gram for gram, you will be eating more calories which could lead to weight gain if not controlled. Weight gain is very simple...if you eat more calories than the body needs, the the excess energy is stored in fat cells. It's that simple. I live by the daily caloric intake rule of 60% carbs, 10-15% fats, & 25-30% protein. Fitness is more than just looking great with a 6-pack. You gotta train and eat for overall health and let the weight loss be a bonus.

    Just my opinion...that and $1 will get you a Diet Coke. :-)

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    May 12, 2007 2:28 AM GMT
    The problem, for me at least, is that carbs are addictive, and they don't sate the appetite. So, by cutting way down on carbs, I freed myself from the hypoglycemic rollercoaster and lost 30 pounds.
  • GQjock

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    May 12, 2007 10:45 AM GMT
    when you're first starting to work out you really need the calories and the whole range of nutrients from Protein, carbs and even fats
    ...don't be limiting yourself at this point
    make sure that you're getting at least 3 good meals a day
    with some protein supplementation
    ...then later on you can do some reasearch into manipulating the carbs in your diet
    carbs....tho are a natural food source
    rapidly increase the insulin in our bodies
    and can be stored as excess fat very quickly
    they also have a temporary osmotic effect..which leads to sequestration of excess water
    which is why Bodybuilders stay away from carbs immediately before a show
    so if you're cutting...carbs are a no no
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    May 12, 2007 2:23 PM GMT
    There's lot of science you need to research here.

    Insulin regulation.
    Glycemic indexes.
    Base metabolic rates.

    It's something you need to STUDY, rather than being spoon fed.

    Different folks have different bodies, and what works for one person often does not for another. Some of this is discovery and analysis.

    Anything worth doing should be worth doing well.
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    May 12, 2007 7:29 PM GMT
    Rule 1: calories in - calories out = change in weight

    Rule 2: % of calories should be in reasonable proportions from protein, carbohydrates, fat

    Rule 3: "reasonable proportions" depends upon your own nutrient needs, and those can vary within small limits.

    I've known many people who have tried most of the fad diets that basically fool around with the proportions in Rule 3, forgetting that the most important is Rule 1.

    Almost all diets really come down to Rule particular "calories in". Those almost never work unless "calories out" also increase from calorie burning exercise.

    I agree with many of the posters above. It's much more common sense than, in my opinion, the fad diet schemes (read that, any diet scheme that has a series of names in front with capital letters..."South Beach" etc.).

  • TonyD

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    May 15, 2007 6:30 AM GMT
    1. cut back on carbs in the evening.

    2. cardio on empty stomach in AM