Vote NO For Marriage Rights

  • MercuryMax

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    Nov 26, 2009 12:55 AM GMT
    Why? I've been thinking about this. "Marriage" is just a word used to describe the unity of two individuals to most of us. However, let's cross to the other side for a moment;

    Christians believe that Marriage" is areligious ceremony that formalizes the decision of a man and woman to live as husband and wife, including the accompanying social festivities. Thus, for gays to become legally and romantically conjoined under that wording would be desicrating Marriage and their religious views on it.

    What if we're fighting for the wrong "thing". By which, I mean, we should have the right to be legally and romantically conjoined. We should have the same rights and benefits as a Christian Marriage has. However, we don't have to call it Gay Marriage.

    I think the more appropriate term has been Civil Union, or we could call it something else. Perhaps the battle between those for and against it isn't actually about the Rights but merely about the "wording".

    Analogy: if you were in a honda car club and had Pontiac guys asking you if they could join your club, it would be an easy no. Why? Because they're not hondas. Then they asked if they could use your honda club name as their representation, you again would say no, because you are not affiliated with them.

    Why do we have to call it gay marriage? Why can't we find our own way to celebrate it? We should create our own tradition on conjoining ourselves in love. In Judaism, they call the ceremony nissu'in. So, lets give it our own twist, make everyone happy. And just because it has a different name doesn't mean it has a different meaning. It also has the same rights.

    I do understand that there are gay Christians out there and they may want the conjoining to be "under God", but still it doesn't mean we have to call it Gay Marriage. Gays have our own Christian Churches right? Well why can't we have our own Gay Christian conjoining as well?

    I think the important thing is that we get the same benefits and rights as Christians do with marriage and that Jews with nissu'in.

    This might be whats hindering our progress in the federal systems and on the national level. Or am I wrong, are they really just trying to keep us from being together as a couple? What are your thoughts?

    In the end I'm saying Vote NO for Gay Marriage, and Vote YES for equal rights, benefits, and our own traditional conjoining, Because a rose by any other name would still smell the same.
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    Nov 26, 2009 1:04 AM GMT
    lol, MercuryMax, it's not gay marriage, it's just marriage. Bill and I were married. icon_wink.gif


    Correct me if I'm wrong (and I sure hope I am), no matter what you call it in the US, the right to it can be stripped away at any time in the future with voting on Prop whatevers and amendments. Like marrying interracially, it needs to come from the top down, the supreme court has to make it legal with the feds backing that up.

    -Doug of meninlove

    PS Atheists of all stripes get married, and there's no religion to it. Ever wonder why the churches aren't screaming about that?
  • MercuryMax

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    Nov 26, 2009 1:13 AM GMT
    I know its not called "Gay Marriage" but I was merely trying to imply that maybe thats what the Christians are seeing it as. Also the same by just calling it marriage. I think you missed the whole point of me explaining what the word meant to them.

    however, you do strike a good point of atheists getting married.....and you are implying that they are simply just trying to keep us from being conjoined as a couple, correct?
  • Marshi

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    Nov 26, 2009 1:17 AM GMT
    We just want the same legal rights straight people get when they marry.
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    Nov 26, 2009 1:21 AM GMT

    Yep. When marriage was considered being given to gay people up here, I had a few straight people at work that laughed at religions tell me,
    "Stay away from marriage. It's ours." The next day one guy's devout Sikh co-worker took me aside and said, "As soon as you can, do it. My faith believes in equal rights."

    When we were married we had beautiful cards from religious co-workers and friends...I feel bad about that because we hadn't invited some of them for fear of offending. Were we ever wrong.

  • MercuryMax

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    Nov 26, 2009 2:10 AM GMT
    I'm glad someone understood what I was trying to say...icon_wink.gif
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    Nov 26, 2009 2:15 AM GMT
    We have beaten this subject of the word "Marriage" to death.

    You are correct it’s not the word as it used in everyday life.

    It is how the word is used in State Constitutions and every other legal document concerning the partnership; it’s all the rights and benefits that go along with the word.

    If you want to change the word to something else that it fine, change all the documents that go with it.

    If you want to create something different but the same; now, were talking separate but equal.

    History has shown; separate but equal is rarely equal.

    This is not about a word it is about the 9th & 14th Amendments.
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    Nov 26, 2009 2:17 AM GMT
    ...lol, OK guys you win.
    In the US the non religious straights will have full marriages, but the gays, even the religious ones will have the civil unions that can and likely will be tinkered with to death, 'because they're not really marriages' according to your Religious Right that seems to hold the majority of power down there.


    Either of you take a look at TigerTim's topic in gay news and events?

    The straight gay wedding. Interesting stuff.

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/726310

    ...so much for separate but equal...


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    Nov 26, 2009 3:23 AM GMT

    lol, which tells us you never bothered to look at TigerTim's topic. You really should, you know.
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    Nov 26, 2009 3:39 AM GMT
    13Th amendment—1865

    24th amendment—1964

    100 years…Incremental progress?