All in the Family .... Uganda to set New Law to Kill Homosexuals

  • GQjock

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    Nov 26, 2009 12:58 PM GMT
    Once again the American Taliban The Family yes the same group that brought us such winning memories as the Mark Sanford Saga and the John Ensign adulterous couple of the year
    Now is backing the Totalitarian regime in Uganda and its new legislation of killing Homosexuals for "repeat behavior"

    The legislator that introduced the bill, a guy named David Bahati, is a member of The Family. He appears to be a core member of The Family. He works, he organizes their Ugandan National Prayer Breakfast and oversees a African sort of student leadership program designed to create future leaders for Africa, into which The Family has poured millions of dollars working through a very convoluted chain of linkages passing the money over to Uganda.

    http://www.independent.co.ug/index.php/component/content/article/106-myblog/2176-all-in-the-family-interview-reveals-american-influence-behind-anti-gay-act

    The Family has also poured a great deal of money backing the leader of Uganda ..... someone they see as "their kind of guy"
    a strongarm man who has a lot of power
    Men like him are who they say Jesus has chosen

    These are DANGEROUS men who have a Huge amt of power here in America that most people do not know about

    Just some more tidbits of info
    Senator Stupak of the Stupak amendment? Is a member
    They run the NATIONAL Prayer meeting which is a big deal in Washington every year
    and invites go thru the White House
    and their tendrils are everywhere
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    Nov 26, 2009 3:13 PM GMT
    conservatism is NOT about having the government out of our lives: that only counts in economics. When it comes to personal freedom it is ALL over you. (not a comment about USA btw, but about conservatism, though it´s not hard to find a party that is all talk about Freedom yet wants to control your personal life)
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    Nov 26, 2009 5:54 PM GMT
    Don't fool yourselves
    The conservatism that we have here in the US has absolutely nothing to do with getting government off of your backs
    They have EVERYTHING to do with more government
    More government oversight of what YOU do in your homes and in YOUR bedroom
    More government oversight on what you can and cannot do with your body

    Oh and let's not forget a heapin' helpin' handout to all those suffering starvin'
    corporations that Umm .... over the last 2 or 3 decades went from paying on avg 32% in the way of taxes to 0% as of now

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    Nov 26, 2009 6:06 PM GMT
    Unless it's to their benefit of course... like foreign relations where they can endorse a regime that kills and rips families and friends and neighbours apart.... it's a sick experiment their playing.
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    Nov 26, 2009 6:19 PM GMT
    To return to the OP, this is the sort of thing that does make one want to eliminate Christianity from having ANY role WHATSOEVER in public life. It makes horrible attitudes seem more respectable if you can roll out the baby jesus to take the hate.
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    Nov 26, 2009 6:21 PM GMT
    I don't see that the politics of Uganda has anything to do with the politics of America, as dreadful as the new law in Uganda is. I don't see any meaningful way in which a "conservative" in Uganda can be compared to a "conservative" in America.

    All I can say is that the state of human rights in Uganda is shameful.

    There's a really fascinating article here about gay life in Uganda.
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    Nov 26, 2009 6:28 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidI don't see that the politics of Uganda has anything to do with the politics of America, as dreadful as the new law in Uganda is.

    The op was drawing the link between the backer of the Ugandan bill and his role in the American group called The Family. It is just scary that the involvement is at that level.
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    Nov 26, 2009 7:00 PM GMT
    Disgusting and incredibly scary...
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    Nov 26, 2009 8:28 PM GMT
    The Family is a group of hardcore Christians who stay in a house that is considered a church so it doesn't pay taxes and basically they worship power.

    http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060559799

    "A brilliant marriage of investigative journalism and history, an unsettling story of how this small but powerful group shaped the faith of the nation in the 20th century and drives the politics of empire in the 21st. Anyone interested in circles of power will love this book." -- Debby Applegate, author of the Pulitzer Prize-winning The Most Famous Man in America: The Biography of Henry Ward Beecher
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    Nov 26, 2009 9:43 PM GMT
    NPR has a great and informative interview with the author, Jeff Sharlet.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106115324
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    Nov 27, 2009 12:01 AM GMT
    . . . we should also be on guard against politicians who belong to an ancient authoritarian cult that refers to us as "intrinsically disordered" and not having "any social value." . . . that's the Catholic Church, of course, supported for generations by scum like the Pelosis, the Kennedys, et al.

    oh, but then you would have to be honest . . . and we know that's exceedingly unlikely . . .
  • coolarmydude

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    Nov 27, 2009 12:04 AM GMT
    makavelli saidThe Family is a group of hardcore Christians who stay in a house that is considered a church so it doesn't pay taxes and basically they worship power.


    Actually they just lost their tax exempt status a few weeks ago.
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    Nov 27, 2009 12:41 AM GMT
    This, unfortunately, doesn't surprise me.

    Yoweri Museveni, the Ugandan President, has done far worse things than support this proposed new bill, as horrid as it is. And the American government has supported him all the way.

    Museveni has been an American puppet leader since he got into power in 1986/87, and was heavily financed and armed by the Americans (and the British), and supported (financially and militarily) the Rwandan Patriotic Front (RPF) invasion of Rwanda in 1990, sparking the civil war, which lasted until 1994, when the genocide occurred, putting Museveni's partner in crime into power.

    Since then, Museveni and his ally in Rwanda, another American puppet, who was actually trained in special forces combat operations at a military base in the United States; have launched multiple invasions of the Congo, sparking the civil war in 1996, and until today, has been a massive genocide and war, resulting in the deaths of over 6.4 million Congolese. Thus, it is the most fatal war since World War II. Yet, we don't hear about it, why? Because American, British, and a large amount of Canadian corporations are in the Congo, exploiting it's resources, in tandem with their puppet regimes in Uganda and Rwanda.

    The Congo holds 80% of the world's coltan, which is needed to make cell phones, lap tops and Play Stations; thus, making the Congo as strategically significant to the west as the Middle East is for oil.

    Museveni has no regard for human rights. But neither do those who back and support him. In 1997, Madeline Albright referred to him as a "beacon of hope" as he and Kagame (in Rwanda) represented the "new leaders" of Africa; and that he ran a "uni-party democracy", otherwise known as a single-part state.

    While this law is horrific and inhumane, there are far greater crimes that have been and continue to be committed by these same people, with official government support, primarily by the US, but also Great Britain, Canada and many Western European nations.

    Having said that, I have hope in the people of Uganda, that no matter what, they will bind together. Their government lacks legitimacy in their eyes, and family means everything to these people. They are also the kindest and most honest, intelligent people i have ever met in my life; so I wouldn't write them off as giving in to such a law without resistance. However, resistance in many African countries, such as Uganda, does not come at the political level, as there are no avenues for political dissent in a country such as Uganda; but at the cultural, community, local levels; even within the family itself.

    So while "The Family" supports hatred and murder; the answer and hope may, ironically, be with real families.
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    Nov 27, 2009 12:42 AM GMT
    http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-American-Hardcover/dp/B002LD9SJI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1259282445&sr=1-1
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    Nov 27, 2009 1:42 AM GMT
    Coltan is increasingly becoming obsolete, but Congo does indeed have so so so much fucking natural resources!
  • metta

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    Nov 27, 2009 3:58 AM GMT
    So what can we do to make sure that media speaks up loudly about this?

    You would think that US Politicans Helping To Fund A Push For A Law To Kill Gays In Uganda Would Make Some News.

    We cannot allow these people to hide behind The Family!

    What can we do to make Americans feel embarassed about voting for politicians that would do such a thing?

    What can we do to systematically get these politicans out of office?

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    Nov 27, 2009 4:53 AM GMT
    . . . oh, by all means, consult your clergy"person" . . .

    . . . or better yet, have Meninlove send government agents to harass the unenlightened media in their own homes . . . yeah, that's the ticket . . .

    . . . this could even warrant a trip to a re-education camp . . .

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    Nov 27, 2009 5:02 AM GMT
    Evil is evil. It will find any convenient cover that it can find. If religion makes a good cover, evil will use it. If conservatism or liberalism are convenient, they will be used.

    Rather that focus on the cover that evil has chosen, I think it would be far more constructive and useful to fight evil directly. Focusing on the cover allows evil to prosper.

    If Uganda wants to kill gays, the act of legalized murder is the issue, not some dubious claims to Christianity.
  • metta

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    Nov 27, 2009 5:30 AM GMT
    Some of the members of The Family:



    http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/bart-stupak-and-family-power-of-c.html



    Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC), perhaps the most conservative man in Washington, is a resident, as are Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) and Representatives Zach Wamp (R-TN), Bart Stupak (D-MI) and Mike Doyle (D-PA). There are many powerful Washington politicians who are members of the Family and/or come there for religious studies. Among they are Pete Domenici (formerly R-NM), Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), Lindsay Graham (R-SC)) , Mike Enzi (R-WY), John Thune (R-SD), Mark Pryor (D-AK) and James Inhofe.
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    Nov 27, 2009 5:36 AM GMT
    Yo Mr Southbeach... you readin this????
  • MercuryMax

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    Nov 27, 2009 10:16 AM GMT
    so much for the humanity and compassion in mankind.
  • maverik

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    Nov 27, 2009 10:18 AM GMT
    You have opened my eyes for the first time to what is happening in Uganda, and the shameful involvement of Canada, Britain and the USA (and specifically the facists, isnt that what they are?). Why is this not in the news and what can be done?

    (btw really impressived with comments from MeohMy)
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 28, 2009 5:18 PM GMT
    This is absolutely disgusting. The right wing conservatives have really shown what they are all about and it is not for greater freedom of choice or getting government off the backs of everyone. Now some fascist, fanatical, third world government is being backed by our conservative right wingers in what is actually a violent act of genocide against gay men in Uganda. This should be a powerful wake up call to all mainstream Americans about how conservatives in the GOP are not getting government off everyones back and are increasing their grip of power on all of us. They are taking away everyones freedoms and making America into a third world, fascist dictatorship where only big business has the rights and all the masses have to conform. But with right wing propaganda outlets like Fox News dominating the airwaves, this horrible situation will be largely ignored and the American people brainwashed into voting away their freedom. I strongly doubt that both Canada and Great Britain are as bad off in terms of conservatives taking away freedom. It is much more so here in the USA because so many Americans suffer from apathy.
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    Nov 28, 2009 5:59 PM GMT
    Sometimes when the topic of anti-gay legislation is brought up in these forums, people kind of downplay the significance because we have it relatively well here in the U.S. But really, this conservative group called the Family is real, and the anti-gay people in it do have an agenda.

    The goal even of front groups like NOM is not just to do away with same-sex marriage but to make homosexuality unacceptable at all costs.


    And it is well known that the "phony" researcher Paul Cameron (the father of all that anti-gay science) has even joked about exterminating homosexuals if a "cure wasn't possible. He actively campaigns internationally against gays to this day .. (see videos on the second link below)
    http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/12188/why-we-should-care-about-paul-cameron
    http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/12146/homophobic-researcher-paul-cameron-in-all-of-his-repulsive-glory

    And as much as ass-hats do not want Nazi Germany brought up, a similar strategy was used there to try to "cure" and if not wipe out Homosexuals. Berlin was known to be a Gay mecca that was tolerant of Gays until certain people came into power and almost overnight gays were on the run for their lives. All through revival of a simple anti-perversion law (paragraph 175). The moral of the story is that when this kind of prejudice and propaganda is allowed to go unchallenged, there is really no limit to what the haters can do.

    As far as I am concerned, the people who are trying to outlaw gays are guilty of crimes against humanity. I don't know what we can do here in the U.S. to help gays in other countries, but it is something we should certainly think about and not just ignore like it has nothing to do with us.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Nov 28, 2009 6:14 PM GMT
    After being permanently stripped of all his professional credibility, that idiot Paul Cameron is still preaching to everyone about his bitter opposition to gay people. You would think that people especially here in the USA would have the common sense to see that this discredited researcher is an ignorant phony who is trying to shove a horrible right wing agenda upon us all. Now he is even advocating what is really nothing more than the violent act of genocide against gay men. This is really frightening.