I feel one of the saddest things about the net is:

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    Nov 29, 2009 9:42 PM GMT
    You just can't sit silently next to someone you won't to or enjoy spending time with, people you have come to know via cyberspace.
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    Nov 29, 2009 10:15 PM GMT
    Get a bigger net. After a while they'll quiet down a bit... most tend to realize their screams wont be heard. You can have anyone you wish!


    But yes, I agree. These new mediums of connection will never hold a candle to true one-on-one closeness.
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    Nov 29, 2009 10:38 PM GMT
    You could sit silently next to such a person AND be on the 'net.

    But there's no need to be sad, Pattison. I think the Internet can be a means to augment your interactions with others, not replace them.
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    Nov 29, 2009 10:57 PM GMT
    drypin saidYou could sit silently next to such a person AND be on the 'net.

    But there's no need to be sad, Pattison. I think the Internet can be a means to augment your interactions with others, not replace them.


    Arguments or disagreement in forums are diffrent to personal interactions with people on the net.

    Just as with a disagreement or conversation on the net, you miss out on so much body language, that speaks louder than words ever can, same goes for sitting silently with some-one, even when no words are being said, the body can still speak, even sitting still, and silently.

    No we miss out on so much with this form of communication, we don't see the full picture.
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    Nov 29, 2009 11:41 PM GMT

    And when you finally net them...they just want to get back on the net. Bear Cry Pictures, Images and Photos
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    Nov 30, 2009 12:26 AM GMT
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    And when you finally net them...they just want to get back on the net. Bear Cry Pictures, Images and Photos


    Let me give you a big bear hug........
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    Nov 30, 2009 12:39 AM GMT


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    Nov 30, 2009 12:48 AM GMT
    That people many times are reduced to their "profile" and summarily judged from that. Few of us are marketing gurus, writers or publicists and we are sometimes punished for that.

    The net makes it easy to be rude, snarky, nasty and disrespectful, largely because of the aforementioned "dehumanizing" of a human being. Even a simple hello can result in disrespect, either through not being responded to politely, or through being judged by others as somehow unworthy.

    Look at the forums here and the horrible things said and the anger harbored because of a simple difference of opinion or belief. This sort of thing would not be tolerated in the real world, because behaving as a boorish jackass has consequences.

    Between the net, but more so that GOD AWFUL habit of text messaging, we are losing common respect, decency and value for one another as human beings.
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    Nov 30, 2009 1:01 AM GMT
    ChicagoBriGuy saidThat people many times are reduced to their "profile" and summarily judged from that. Few of us are marketing gurus, writers or publicists and we are sometimes punished for that.

    The net makes it easy to be rude, snarky, nasty and disrespectful, largely because of the aforementioned "dehumanizing" of a human being. Even a simple hello can result in disrespect, either through not being responded to politely, or through being judged by others as somehow unworthy.

    Look at the forums here and the horrible things said and the anger harbored because of a simple difference of opinion or belief. This sort of thing would not be tolerated in the real world, because behaving as a boorish jackass has consequences.

    Between the net, but more so that GOD AWFUL habit of text messaging, we are losing common respect, decency and value for one another as human beings.


    One of the the things that follows me to the net, is like out here, I don't get upset if someones opinion is diffrent to mine. I don't feel threatend by it, or have a need to silence them, as many here feel a need to do, but I do know of a device that would help them stop with their hatful comments. icon_lol.gif
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    Nov 30, 2009 1:10 AM GMT
    This is when I love RJ the most: intelligent and meaningful answers, from bright guys who make me (pleasantly) jealous of their insight. I especially agree with drypin: "I think the Internet can be a means to augment your interactions with others, not replace them."

    I've seen different aspects of the net. When I lived in North Dakota, a huge state with only a 650k population (averaging something like 9 people per square mile, some areas as low as 2 per mile), finding other gay people wasn't easy. Finding PEOPLE wasn't easy! LOL!

    So what did we ND gays do in the late 1990s? We networked online, and arranged monthly get togethers. Created an online group called "Rainbow Ranch" through eGroups, later taken over by Yahoo! We'd meet in person (a few times camping with my trailer as the "base camp"), but arranged & facilitated things through the Internet.

    I came to meet both my partners online. Hell, I came out online in 1994-95. As drypin implies, the Internet should be a tool, not an end in itself. Unless of course you are forced to be a shut-in for medical reasons, and then it becomes a modern version of the "pen pal" approach.

    Humans are social animals. Online networking exists because of that natural urge. The net should augment & facilitate our social contacts, as drypin states, not replace them. It's up to us to maintain the balance between the real and the virtual worlds, just as we have to balance our real lives with the fictional lives we read about, and that we see on TV and in the movies.

    Tools are just that: to be used by us, not us by them. It has always been so, and in the final analysis little has changed, except the technology.
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    Nov 30, 2009 1:40 AM GMT
    drypin saidYou could sit silently next to such a person AND be on the 'net.

    But there's no need to be sad, Pattison. I think the Internet can be a means to augment your interactions with others, not replace them.


    In fact I have sat silently next to people while on the net at work, many a time. But was not my point.
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    Nov 30, 2009 2:00 AM GMT
    I do find myself in agreement with a couple of statements here.

    Pattison is right - I can't tell you the amount of times I've been sardonic/sarcastic in a text/msn message (because a lot of my most witty, funny quips come from wry observations of behaviour/life) only to have the other person COMPLETELY misconstrue what I was saying and think I was just being a douchebag, when had we been in person they would have laughed their ass off. It's isolating, because a lot of humour is contextual and is more about 'how' you're saying it and less about 'what' you're saying, if that makes sense.

    Personally, I lost myself in World of Warcraft for almost 2 years and now that I'm off the Warcrack I won't be going back. The internet is a tool, one that I really do love, and am willing to pay a premium to have in my pocket. But I don't pay an absurd amount (>$100/month) for my iPhone so I can access facebook whenever I want to, I pay that much so I can access thousands of streaming internet radio stations (instead of paying for satellite radio), I can access wikipedia whenever someone needs a question answered (I LOVE being the go-to guy for info, be it a chemical process or a historical figure or a pop culture reference) and, well, social networking (to a certain extent, I enjoy my privacy and am often greeted with 'omg you're online!' when I sign in to MSN). I have GPS with street view, I have the yellow/whitepages, CBC news feeds, etc.

    THAT'S what I'm paying for, to have the entirety of the internet at my fingertips. The internet is more than just social networking and forums nowadays, it harbours an almost incomprehensible amount of human knowledge, from the genetic sequences of just about anything that's been sequenced (thank you NCBI) to an almost complete history of civilization as we know it.

    For me, the saddest thing about the net is that most people don't see it as a tool, they see it as an extension to the modern world. And while this is slightly true, until we're putting on our VR headsets and zooming through datastacks in the shape of cool glowing skyscrapers (Hackers-style, lol)...it's just a tool, not a world unto itself.
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    Nov 30, 2009 3:52 AM GMT
    It makes my waste a lot of time on facebook, youtube and god knows what all. Makes me feel so weak. icon_cry.gif
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    Nov 30, 2009 8:33 AM GMT
    worst thing is saying LOL while laughing out loud or in some other kind of speech... I would add WTF but I mean its kindof the polite way to say What The Fuck so does it count?
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    Nov 30, 2009 8:43 AM GMT
    Shnextdoor saidIt makes my waste a lot of time on facebook, youtube and god knows what all. Makes me feel so weak. icon_cry.gif


    Oh geez, I waste a lot of time on the internet doing those things plus RJ.

    I frequently wonder how on earth I could do my job if I did not have internet for e-mail, reports, and other technology which is made possible by the internet.

    I'm glad as a child I didn't have a computer or the internet. When I was bored, I rode my bike, played in a creek by my house or if it was raining, I played with my model train board.

    Do kids do go outside and play anymore?

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    Nov 30, 2009 9:18 AM GMT
    Do Kids play outside anymore, thats a very good question, and a battle many parents have, to get their children away from the computer, and to get them outside to play.

    I remember being in town as a kid and we were always out in the street, and knew every child in that street. The court I live in now has a number of Familys yet I've never once in my 10 years here, seen the kids out kicking the football as we did as kids.

    I've even worked in child care, and we had to work to get the kids off the computers, and interact with each other. No not as much.

    I'm also grateful I had a childhood on the farm, without a computer, and the stuff I got into I would of missed out on.
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    Nov 30, 2009 9:25 AM GMT
    it allows me to meet awesome guys who live on the other side of the world
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    Nov 30, 2009 9:29 AM GMT
    ChicagoBriGuy saidThat people many times are reduced to their "profile" and summarily judged from that. Few of us are marketing gurus, writers or publicists and we are sometimes punished for that.

    The net makes it easy to be rude, snarky, nasty and disrespectful, largely because of the aforementioned "dehumanizing" of a human being. Even a simple hello can result in disrespect, either through not being responded to politely, or through being judged by others as somehow unworthy.

    Look at the forums here and the horrible things said and the anger harbored because of a simple difference of opinion or belief. This sort of thing would not be tolerated in the real world, because behaving as a boorish jackass has consequences.

    Between the net, but more so that GOD AWFUL habit of text messaging, we are losing common respect, decency and value for one another as human beings.


    I agree with you and feel the same way.
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    Nov 30, 2009 7:58 PM GMT
    syd_hockey_79 saidit allows me to meet awesome guys who live on the other side of the world


    Yes, and thats the point. I too have met some great people from the other side of the world too; yet I will never get to sit silently with any of them, to keep in contact via cyberspace, it's always talk, and not being able to sit silently with them, too share the same air. We miss out on so much getting to know people this way.
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    Dec 01, 2009 12:09 AM GMT
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    syd_hockey_79 saidit allows me to meet awesome guys who live on the other side of the world


    Yes, and thats the point. I too have met some great people from the other side of the world too; yet I will never get to sit silently with any of them, to keep in contact via cyberspace, it's always talk, and not being able to sit silently with them, too share the same air. We miss out on so much getting to know people this way.


    It's not such a bad thing to keep it online

    I was really close with a guy online, we met after 5 years of emailing and chatting and it was never the same after. Just didn't click, it was actually really awkward...
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    Dec 01, 2009 1:46 AM GMT
    The internet is entertaining, but it isn't real life. I visit the internet to see different viewpoints and learn. There is some social interaction, but it isn't like what I have with friends and the other people I see every day. I'm always amazed how personally some people take the things posted on an anonymous internet forum.

    I try to keep the two separate.
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    Dec 01, 2009 11:13 AM GMT
    Dakota_gent saidThe internet is entertaining, but it isn't real life. I visit the internet to see different viewpoints and learn. There is some social interaction, but it isn't like what I have with friends and the other people I see every day. I'm always amazed how personally some people take the things posted on an anonymous internet forum.

    I try to keep the two separate.


    You know I am yet to ever meet up with anyone I've met on the net, and it may well stay that way, yet I also find the way I communicate on the net, in many ways is very diffrent to how I do out here in the real world. very diffrent to how I'll communicate in the forums, and once agin it's diffrent how I communicate in private, in private the person I am out here comes out more.

    Like out here labels are of no interest to me, yet I will debate them in the forums, and use them too.
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    Dec 01, 2009 11:15 AM GMT
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    Pattison said
    syd_hockey_79 saidit allows me to meet awesome guys who live on the other side of the world


    Yes, and thats the point. I too have met some great people from the other side of the world too; yet I will never get to sit silently with any of them, to keep in contact via cyberspace, it's always talk, and not being able to sit silently with them, too share the same air. We miss out on so much getting to know people this way.


    It's not such a bad thing to keep it online

    I was really close with a guy online, we met after 5 years of emailing and chatting and it was never the same after. Just didn't click, it was actually really awkward...


    Now there's some food for thought!!!
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    Dec 13, 2009 4:37 AM GMT
    I've let the net become my social life.

    It's easier to stay at home under my Snuggie with my laptop.