JUST A LITTLE FOOD FOR THOUGHT

  • calipally

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    Dec 26, 2007 8:32 PM GMT
    Remember this hot dude?
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    Rob Sager, aka Brett Mycles...Fitness model, porn actor...Dead at 29 from a combination of steroid abuse and fat loss stimulants.

    Sure, everyone wants to have a bangin' body (I'm just as guilty as the next guy), but if you're doing roids to get there?, well, you'll pay a price.

    Dead at 29! What a waste of a life.
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    Dec 26, 2007 8:47 PM GMT

    Too bad .. he's so hot, such a waste icon_sad.gif .. and these arms are huge!!! (they do give an impression of steroids' abuse ..)
    I hope It's a good lesson for all young guys who may lose their life because of this..
  • swimbikerun

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    Dec 26, 2007 10:59 PM GMT
    The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long!
  • swimbikerun

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    Dec 26, 2007 10:59 PM GMT
    The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long!
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    Dec 27, 2007 12:34 AM GMT
    Well, one look at my body and you can surely tell I'm not using noids! LOL
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    Dec 27, 2007 6:14 AM GMT
    I lost a good friend this year to the same thing. He was a boxer, a serious bodybuilder...6 foot 8, 275 lbs of pure ripped muscle...but underneath that a sweet, slightly scared kid (I think that's true of most really big bodybuilders, all that muscle is not unlike a knight's suit of armor). And the steroids and the stimulants did him in, in October, at age 29.

    I am sorry but at the same time I am so angry at him that I want to dig him up and bitch slap him for doing what he did, not just to himself, but to all of us who loved him.

    Sorry for that.
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    Dec 27, 2007 4:48 PM GMT
    Brett Mycles died from cardiac arythmia brought on by stimulant abuse. He may have been good looking, but, he was obviously an idiot, as well. Some folks react poorly to stimulants. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Mycles Brett's family also had a history of heart problems. They died, as well, but, without the false charges against AAS.

    In years of study, not a single death has been attributable to AAS. That's why not a single organization recommended that AAS be controlled, and, in fact, they recommended that restrictions be more relaxed.

    The sort of misinformation submitted here is tragic. In my 33+ years around it, I've never seen it, even once.

    Perhaps that's why AAS and anti-aging is growing at a wild pace, and why true studies like those done right here at UNT continue to show the protections that AAS provide, and many health benefits, and well as remain the protocol of choice for the sickest of the sick. In studies of the very heaviest AAS users, mortality of the AAS users was still BELOW the average population AND they were in a much higher state of health, as well.

    Remember: being fat is about the worst thing you can do for your health. Any pills (modified at C17, and in particular, statins (anti-cholesterol) and pain relievers) are vastly more hepatoxic, and overall "dangerous" than testosterone (not toxic at virtually any level, and naturally occurring in every human.) There are a wide range of physical and emotional health benefits to AAS use.

    The problem here was stimulant abuse, not AAS. He was an idiot, and failed to listen to his body.

    Here's a great piece of journalism done by HBO Real Sports (#99): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0LEj8IPHGU

    Before you put forth garbage, make sure you have your science right.

    As someone who is a benefactor of anti-aging (my doctor is very much in know), I could go all all day about how my "numbers" are perfect, and that I'm in the top 2% in fitness and so on.

    The poster obviously did almost no research on the issue submitted.

    Had this use been more out in the open, perhaps his situation may have been avoided. Had there been less misinformation, perhaps he could have been more intelligent.

    Those of you who have studied statistics know that the larger the sample is, the larger the variance, and deviation. I.e., there's going to be a few dummies. There's going to be a few folks that are tragic stories. There's also going to be the median value which was not represented here.

    Remember: obesity kills 6.5 MILLION folks prematurely. If we are truly concerned about saving lives, fat people need to be outlawed.

    This case is on the outside fringe, and while tragic, does not represent the overall science of the situation. It is part of the deviation in the overall sample.
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    Dec 27, 2007 5:39 PM GMT
    Either way, it is a shame when people go to such extremes to reach the body type they seek. whether it be anorexia or diet pills or steroids.

    In a related ask...

    Its hard to assess what the general opinion on steroids is from RJ members. I am sure many use them in some way and many legal supplements are borderline steroid compounds. So, is stroid use frowned upon? Ignored?

    I think in the gay community, there was a big push around being big and "roided out," but I see the twink body style being more accepted. Do you think that is indicative of a push away from steroids being accepted in gay circles? I know I see a lot of straight guys at the gym with that roid look. Perhaps it is just everywhere.

    Thoughts?
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    Dec 27, 2007 6:36 PM GMT
    I'm not sure why guys use steroids. There is a certain warping of body image, I think, because as the body grows ever more thick layers of muscle it actually stops being attractive and becomes grotesque. A 'roided belly on a guy is not a turn on, at least not for me and not for many guys I know; and as for the straight men, every woman I know who has expressed an opinion has said that that looks absolutely turns them off.

    I think this is the opposite side of anorexia. It must be that these men see something in the mirror that is no longer there--a skinny underweight kid--no matter how much muscle they put on, it's never enough. Just as the anorexic sees phantom fat everywhere.

    My friend who died in October was like that. I first met him when he was 24, very handsome, with truly a graceful, sexy, deeply cut and muscular body. As the years went on, his neck broadened, his face grew somewhat oafish looking, and his chest and abs grew distended---from muscle, to be sure, but they lost that classically graceful look that makes a man's body so unbelievably sexy. In the end, he was sort of animalish. Still a sweet guy, still a dear friend, but no longer the object of any fantasy.

    And now he's dead, and no matter how much defensive bluster we get from Chuckystud, his doctor blames the steroid use.
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    Dec 27, 2007 8:12 PM GMT
    Juice didn't mess up the guy's heart. Clearly, and as indicated in the bio, it was the speed, and bad genes, that did him in, the same way fat people die from obesity and so on.

    The non-sense thinking of John was an idiot. John died because he was an idiot. John took AAS (there are a variety of steroids.) Therefore folks who take AAS must die young and be idiots. That's just fucked up thinking, and has zero basis in fact. Even the AMA, ACS, NEJM, have all come out and blatantly said that.

    The facts are the juiceheads are the healthiest of the healthiest, the fittest of the fittest, and have lower mortality along with an improved quality of life, along with some of the very best blood work around.

    I suggest you watch, or re-watch, the video.

    Why would anyone wish to age pre-maturely, feel like crap, and so on? They wouldn't. They'd rather feel good, lead a healthy life style, and have the hormones to support it.

    With regard to acceptance: the gay community is fleeting. The current misinformation has made some gains but, anti-aging, and juice use in advanced, educated, well-informed, intelligent, athletes is bigger than ever. There will be and is no stopping it, and with genetic engineering coming down the pipe, we've only just seen the beginning of an evolution towards some very incredible sports science.

    As someone who has met countless benefactors, as well as spoke to literally dozens of doctors, and who has been around it for over three decades, I know the truth: it's far more dangerous to be inactive, overweight, on statins, or pain pills, than to take a butt load of juice. Those are just the plain facts.

    With HIV, good research has been done that has shown that even at incredible doses, well beyond what most elite athletes would use, the side effects are transitory, and manageable.

    There's absolutely no reason for a person to feel like crap in middle-age, and millions of guys have shown that in the last few decades. Masters bodybuilding is bigger than ever.

    Folks are living longer, staying fitter, able to train hard, perform better sexually, and have a variety of protections against a number of diseases with AAS. Hormones are truly able to push back the clock by decades. I've met with both doctors and patients who've told me the truth.

    The typical profile of a AAS user is above average education, income, and fitness, and very, very health conscience, and extremely well informed. Many of the users are also the brightest of the brightest.

    It is amazing the number of diseases that are preventable by keeping androgens up. Any good muscle board like professionalmuscle.com (among many) has countless articles and studies that talk about it. Folks need not suffer from Alheizmer's or Parkinson's. These diseases of aging are easily preventable. Men need never suffer from osteoporosis or muscle wasting. It's insane to let folks feel like crap, eat crap, and them pump them full of statins. That's for ignorant folks. You wanna' fry your liver? Take some Tylenol. Take statins. If you study about AAS, very much, at all, you'll find out that androgens actually PROTECT YOUR HEART (I've posted that study on RJ twice). I find your ignorance appalling.

    Just as estrogen (a steroid) has helped the lives of so many women, so will testosterone, as folks from my generation insist upon it. As I said, that's just the beginning. Just as penicillin lengthened average life span markedly, with the use of AAS, GH, ICVBR2, myostatin inhibs, and so on, we'll see centurions become common place, as well as many common ages of diseases of aging, low androgen cancers, muscular dystrophy, go by the wayside. No longer will aging occur just because of biology. Folks will be able to be active well into their 80's.
  • Artesin

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    Dec 28, 2007 4:36 AM GMT
    mmmm steroid bodies, just makes you wanna rape em they're that sexy .. *sarcasm off* *coughs*

    Supposedly there are "safe" steroid regiments that a normal healthy/athletic person can go on with relatively little side affects, from what I've heard of course, though they are still illegal. Sounds kind of like a Chinese whisper to me but who knows. Regardless of them being safe or not using steroids just seems to make the end result bitter sweet. Only time I think they should ever be used is if there is some defect or deficiency that can be halted by their use.
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    Dec 29, 2007 2:45 AM GMT
    Sodomy is illegal in many places.