An Open Letter to President Obama from Michael Moore

  • metta

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    Nov 30, 2009 9:51 PM GMT



    An Open Letter to President Obama from Michael Moore

    http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mikes-letter/open-letter-president-obama-michael-moore
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    Dec 01, 2009 10:35 AM GMT
    Yet again I completely disagree with Michael Moore.
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    Dec 01, 2009 11:22 AM GMT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/01/opinion/01herbert.html?ref=opinion
  • silverfox

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    Dec 01, 2009 12:26 PM GMT
    Well....ok.

    I see links, I see one word "I don't agree" statements without explanation....but where is the discussion?

    Here let me start with my opinion which will probably not be a popular one.

    I agree with most of what Michael Moore says. For the first time I see Obama as possibly becoming a one term President. Of course, I will hold final judgement until he speaks tonight...but it doesn't look good. Why are we moving into Afganistan in greater numbers?

    I applaud his broad initiatives such as in health care...but question why it is such a struggle to get cooperation given his vast majority of winning not only the Presidency...but also in the Senate and the house?

    And gay rights.

    Let me say that I found myself making the biggest donations to the HRC (which is an organization I don't love) at this time in my life as opposed to any other.. Wny? Because we seem further from our goals now then ever before....and I feel that we are not getting supported by the man that I elected to speak out loudly on our behalf.

    He leans so far over to the other side to try to compromise....when he continues to get stabbed in the back.

    Ok....now there is a discussion.

    What do you guys THINK and why?
  • GQjock

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    Dec 01, 2009 1:04 PM GMT
    I agree with Michael Moore on most subjects ..... he's been proven right on almost everything he's said
    and this is another one of them

    Obama said the right words during the campaign
    and we elected him to do the things he said
    While I understand the realities might be different once he got into office
    That didn't mean that he had to try to appease the republicans on Every Single Piece of legislation he tried to get through congress
    It's absolutely ridiculous the contortions the WH makes to get republicans to come on board when They are NEVER going to do it ANYWAY

    Afghanistan ..... waste of time money and lives
    HealthCare reform...... compromised to death
    Gay Rights ...... ?????????????????????
    Financial Reform ..... what financial reform

    Once again .....
    The democrats once they are in power
    don't use it .... and instead of being democrats are Republican-lites

    Thank god we were delivered from the hands of the republicans
    but it's still crap just diluted with 50% water icon_confused.gif

  • MikemikeMike

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    Dec 01, 2009 1:08 PM GMT
    GQ welcome to reality...

    who couldn't see through Obama in the first place. He was a better speaker with not enough experience.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Dec 01, 2009 1:30 PM GMT
    Jp,

    I hear ya, but when I said that Obama would dilute heathcare and his foreign policy was shotty at best, I got flack on here a few times, support in some e-mails, but flack in forums. Also the fact that his "fix" to our economy requires throwing senior citizens under the bus, I knew gay men are lower than seniors on the political food chain and their lifestyles are agianst all his religious and "family" belief systems. I am not surprised at all, and so many people seemed shocked now that his form of change doesn't include them. I think he will go down in history for the president who dissapointed most folks who voted for him. He is not on his way for another term at this rate.
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    Dec 01, 2009 1:46 PM GMT
    jprichva said he showed that he has no affinity for the gay community. Not only does he throw us under the bus with dizzying regularity, but unlike Clinton he has not ONE single top aide who's gay. He is uncomfortable with us, and his chief of staff is openly hostile to us.


    A political utterance by JP with which I totally agree!

    Aside from that, I value Michael Moore's political views equally with his diet tips.
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    Dec 01, 2009 1:48 PM GMT
    From DailyKos:

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/30/809130/-An-Open-Letter-to-Michael-Moore-from-President-Obama

    The best response I've read to Moore, who is (though his heart's in the right place) a gas bag.
  • ATLANTIS7

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    Dec 01, 2009 1:48 PM GMT
    The Russians were in Afghanistan 19 yrs and left after nothing changed and nothing ever will! Corrupt Dope Pushers.... Get the Boy's out all Nationalities!
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    Dec 01, 2009 2:25 PM GMT
    NNJfitandbi saidBut Obama campaigned on fighting in Afghanistan. He said Bush fought the wrong war. Moore is incorrect on the facts.


    Exactly. I remember him saying this in an interview with Rachel Maddow a week or so before he was elected.

    Anyway... I really have noting more substantial to add about Mr. Moore's letter other than to say that I take everything that he says with a grain of salt. I feel about him the same way I feel about Bill O'Reilly: a loudmouth who can see information only one way and gets a kick out of antagonizing people who don't see it his way.

    I may be politically left of center, but that doesn't mean that I agree with him blindly... and the problem that I have with this letter is the same problem that I have with a lot of Obama's critic's who are also on the political left: It just seems that they expect him to have solved everything that his predecessor messed up by a week ago Tuesday and are not appreciating the fact that these things take time, thought, planning, and involve a lot more constituents and information than we (Mr. Moore included) know about.

    I realize that may be an incredibly naïve stance to take, but I do seem to recall that even Obama himself said on the night that he was elected that straightening out the mess the country was in may take more than one term... a fact which everyone in the ecstasy of the moment seems to have forgotten. Am I wrong for thinking like that? Is he moving too slow (and in the wrong direction)?
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    Dec 01, 2009 8:52 PM GMT
    silverfox1 saidWell....ok.

    I see links, I see one word "I don't agree" statements without explanation....but where is the discussion?



    I just posted the link to Bob Herbert's Times column because I agree with him and he said it better than I could (and better than Michael Moore did).
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    Dec 01, 2009 9:02 PM GMT
    jprichva saidI
    For a lot of us---maybe even most of us, not sure---we voted for Obama because the thought of McCain and more Republican policies was simply too much to stomach.


    So none of you thought Hillary was winnable, huh? Never mind the shenanigans that went on behind closed doors before the convention. She got royally screwed!
  • GQjock

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    Dec 01, 2009 10:21 PM GMT
    Obama would dilute heathcare and his foreign policy was shotty at best

    That's not what I was saying at all
    Obama didn't dilute healthcare .... his trying to get rightwing support did
    and his foreign policy except on Afghanistan is fine

    What I was saying is ... you are a democrat BE a Democrat
    Leave the lame old republican ideology at the curb where it belongs