how long does it take to become muscular

  • MadeinMich

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    Dec 02, 2009 12:15 PM GMT
    how long did it take you guys before you saw some REAL results?
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    Dec 02, 2009 1:26 PM GMT
    10 months if you paid for fast delivery, otherwise it might get lost in the mail. Give it a month and then phone the gym with your order number, just in case.
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    Dec 02, 2009 2:13 PM GMT
    make sure your diet is correct as well...there are some experts on here that will give you how many grams of protien per kg of body weight you require....small frequent meals....lots of lean meat and veges as well as protein supplements as well as some pre workout drinks (NO exlpode...but not all of these suit everyone!)

    alot of your body shape depends on your diet...and some cardio


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    Dec 02, 2009 2:17 PM GMT
    oh!

    AND CHANGE YOUR WORKOUT EVERY 6 WEEKS!

    CHALLENGE YOUR BODY
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    Dec 02, 2009 2:54 PM GMT
    depends: get your workouts right, but that is still only half the story, food is much of the rest, along with genes, age and sleep... In 3 months I toned up a great deal. Muscle gain really has only happened when I have been eating with more dedication than I have been training (you think about training for an hour a day. you think about eating a lot more than that if you want to get bigger).
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    Dec 02, 2009 2:57 PM GMT
    I've been working on myself for about 2 years solid now. I work hard at strict form and lift as heavy as I can for big muscle groups (chest/back/legs). Could of things that helped me:

    1) Don't have a fixed number of reps in mind for a set. The key, other than maybe the first set (warmup) is to push the muscle to failure. For big muscles, I use counts to tell me where I am -- if I can't get to 8 reps, then I lower weight. If I can get to 10 reps, then I up the weight. But keep going until failure, every set, every exercise (well, I do tend to stick to a fixed number for abs).

    2) Protein and lots of it. I have to say the largest bump in muscle growth for me was when I started to seriously monitor my protein intake and make sure I got enough each and every day. I generally go with the 1 gram/pound body weight.

    Lastly, your body type is going to have a big role in this. My friend who has been working out with me for 2 years pushes himself and eats well, but it a classic ectomorph and has not had as much success putting on muscle. He's toned, but, doesn't have the muscle size he wants. There are ways to work around that,
  • Celticmusl

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    Dec 02, 2009 3:02 PM GMT
    When I was 25 I was 5'9 and 143 lbs. I didn't do any resistance training but I did aerobics, cardio, and circuit training.

    I started on resistance training when I was 25 at 143 lbs. The first year I gained 20 lbs and was at 164. The second year I tipped the scales at 173, and my third year I hit about 184 lbs. After my third year I gained a few pounds but kept pretty steady at 186 and 10-13% bodyfat for over five years.

    I never did any cardio, but was pretty active during the summer. I worked out five times a week and I always challenged myself. If I can lift a hundred pounds this week, it will be a hundred and five next week, and so on.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Dec 02, 2009 3:47 PM GMT
    define muscular, also roided or non. I am all natural and at 5'11 175 30" waist, I'm good.
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    Dec 02, 2009 3:49 PM GMT
    Oh and please donĀ“t make the mistake that i see SO much. Lifting heavy does NOT mean getting the dumbbell that you can JUST manage to get off the rack and throwing it around for a minute before dropping it and leaving it on the floor. If your form is not correct in an exercise you are doing a different exercise. Dumbell curls, eg, isolate the biceps. If you throw a weight and arch your back you are not isolating the bicep, nor doing the best work you could in the time. Drop down a few lb, lift the thing with control and keep the form correct: and keep pushing the amount you are doing like this. Throwing around big weights just makes your ego grow and often will put your back out.
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    Dec 02, 2009 4:43 PM GMT
    MadeinMich saidi hve been lifting for 9 months. i have been lifting properly for 7-9 months. i am only still toned, not really that much bigger in size. how long should i expect before i become at least moderately bigger, or at least until i see some real depth in my chest? how long did it take you guys before you saw some REAL results?


    Eating properly, an untrained person can see strength gains of 80%, or more, in their initial 9 months of training. If you aren't getting those sorts of gains, you're not training properly. This has been well documented and holds true with everyone from 13 to 80. It's one of the universal laws of resistance training.

    Genetics plays a factor, but, it not the prime factor. Training with intelligence is.

    When I was 17, I had the 5'th highest strength index in my high school, was 5'5" and 175#, at about 12% fat. This was WITHOUT any applied science to nutrition, recovery, or optimization training, but, rather JUST an abundance of quality calories (meat and potatoes, and no fried food).

    When I was 28, at was 12%, 5'5", and 230#, after learning considerably more about training and nutrition.

    At 49, my set point is around 220 and easy to hold. I've been told I could be 250, and, I think I could do it, if I had the money for the food, and the time to keep my activity up at a level needed to stay lean at that weight.

    With gay guys, bi guys, or insecure picture-less / head-less on The Internet, low esteem, low patience, lack of discipline, lack of focus, failure to EAT (#1 reason for failure) all, a bad work ethic, and whiny, all contribute to a plan for failure. Doing squats for leg presses with 100s of pounds is work. Doing cardio, eating on schedule...all require focus and discipline. Many folks don't have that ability to focus, and push themselves to the next level, nor do they have the patience and discipline required.

    That may be you.

    First thing, address the person issues, of low esteem, work ethic, impatience, and lack of focus. Then, read, and EAT.

    What works right for one person may not work for you, but, often will.

    flex89 / Logan gained 85 pounds of lean muscle mass while lowering his body fat by 2%, in five months, all while being a type 1 diabetic. You DO NOT HAVE TO CONTINUE TO FAIL. You have to, instead, make a plan for success.
  • MikemikeMike

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    Dec 02, 2009 5:43 PM GMT
    flex should listen to a real MD, and be concerned about his kidneys-not your google advice.
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    Dec 02, 2009 6:47 PM GMT
    depends on a lot, but forever if you don't eat enough clean food and train hard.
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    Dec 02, 2009 6:53 PM GMT
    supplements
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    Dec 02, 2009 7:04 PM GMT
    Eat more
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    Dec 02, 2009 7:07 PM GMT
    MikemikeMike saidflex should listen to a real MD, and be concerned about his kidneys-not your google advice.


    It was all done with full support from my GP and endocrinologist. Maybe you should worry more about constructive conversation rather than baseless claims and insults.
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    Dec 02, 2009 7:19 PM GMT
    flex89 said
    MikemikeMike saidflex should listen to a real MD, and be concerned about his kidneys-not your google advice.


    It was all done with full support from my GP and endocrinologist. Maybe you should worry more about constructive conversation rather than baseless claims and insults.

    I have MikeMikeMike on total permanent ignore because we know he rarely says anything of value. Unless someone posts his venom, I never see it, and don't care expect when it's so blatantly bullshit.

    To make the the record straight:
    1. Logan's HBA1C is 5.5 (exceptional for a diabetic).
    2. Logan's insulin sensitivity is a .9 (better than fat folks, and, in fact, better than most folks.) We've had it as good as a .8.
    3. Logan's EGFR is just fine (estimated flow rate for your kidneys).

    Before Little Mike spews more venom, he should know what he is talking about, which, clearly, he does not.

    Mike is what we call in the bodybuilding biz "a hater." He bases his beliefs on nothing scientific in particular.

    Just for the record, to perhaps help his ignorance, as part of my recent arm surgery I had a full cardiac workup. I've been lifting since 1975. I'm 49 years old. I'm considered at ZERO risk of a heart attack, and ZERO risk of a stroke. My cholesterol is 130, and, that's, almost certainly, better than Mike's. My heart is stronger, has slightly thicker walls, and takes bigger strokes, at higher velocity than a person like Mike, but, that's to be expected in ANY advanced athlete. E.g., Lance Armstrong has a heart stroke three times a sedentary person. Mike is just a nut. My cardiologist was in the military for 8 years as a doctor and is well qualified to work with me.

    Take the nuts with a grain of salt.

    To set the record straight, Logan's kidneys are more at risk from Tylenol, or high blow sugar, than having the numbers he has from resistance exercise. The proof is in the numbers and not from some hateful quack like MMM. He's a nut. Take it for what it is.
  • jingold04

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    Dec 02, 2009 7:39 PM GMT
    Craigjd saidoh!

    AND CHANGE YOUR WORKOUT EVERY 6 WEEKS!

    CHALLENGE YOUR BODY

    All true,also stick to free weights,flood your body with about 50 grams of protein w/in 30 mins after your workout (that's the "anabolic window"). You can also superset with exercises that pound opposing large muscle groups,ie: bench press w/ barbell rows,squat w/ deadlifts,this increases your testosterone,which helps to build muscle mass. I started following that religion for the past year ans gained 20lbs,but droped a waist size.
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    Dec 03, 2009 3:41 AM GMT
    Actually, I'm afraid you're in error here. Too much overload can lower your androgens to near zero. Watch "The Human Body" from The Discovery Channel for more information, or study up on testosterone and weight training.

    This is the attraction of exogenous androgen in strength sports. Heavily trained individuals end up with almost no androgen, as it causes it to markedly drop, in some cases, to near zero. That's one reason over-training is so unproductive. More is NOT better.

    Glycogen / carb & water & oxygen uptake is enhanced post workout and that's when you should carb up. It's not all about protein as your performance is markedly affected by your glycogen stores.

    Carbing up post workout is critical to be able to sustain anaerobic exercise.

    Sacroplasmic hypertrophy comes from "the pump". That information is freely available as well.

    Train smart.
  • bravehound

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    Dec 03, 2009 4:14 AM GMT
    Ghen said10 months if you paid for fast delivery, otherwise it might get lost in the mail. Give it a month and then phone the gym with your order number, just in case.


    Ha! Love it.
  • Anto

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    Dec 03, 2009 4:15 AM GMT
    Genetics plays a factor, but, it not the prime factor. Training with intelligence is.

    Chucky, why would you say something like that? Training and intelligence will not make your body do more than it's genetically capable of doing, unless you are talking about artificial intervention.

    flex89 / Logan gained 85 pounds of lean muscle mass while lowering his body fat by 2%, in five months, all while being a type 1 diabetic. You DO NOT HAVE TO CONTINUE TO FAIL. You have to, instead, make a plan for success.

    Was that on a food diet or did it include steroids or some other chemical involvement? I'm just curious because people should know since that would make a big difference between the two.

    Also, getting too big too fast increases chance of stretch marks I think.
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    Dec 03, 2009 4:19 AM GMT
    Well I think you know better than almost anyone here on this topic - and this is very true.

    chuckystud saidActually, I'm afraid you're in error here. Too much overload can lower your androgens to near zero. Watch "The Human Body" from The Discovery Channel for more information, or study up on testosterone and weight training.

    This is the attraction of exogenous androgen in strength sports. Heavily trained individuals end up with almost no androgen, as it causes it to markedly drop, in some cases, to near zero. That's one reason over-training is so unproductive. More is NOT better.

    Glycogen / carb & water & oxygen uptake is enhanced post workout and that's when you should carb up. It's not all about protein as your performance is markedly affected by your glycogen stores.

    Carbing up post workout is critical to be able to sustain anaerobic exercise.

    Sacroplasmic hypertrophy comes from "the pump". That information is freely available as well.

    Train smart.
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    Dec 03, 2009 4:22 AM GMT
    5 years! I am a super hard gainer and I was BONE skinny back in high school. Now I am happy of who I am. icon_twisted.gif
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    Dec 03, 2009 4:24 AM GMT
    It is always going to be a WIP. Make sure you follow a good diet and lift properly, size will come with patience.
  • MadeinMich

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    Dec 03, 2009 6:23 AM GMT
    chuckystud said
    MadeinMich saidi hve been lifting for 9 months. i have been lifting properly for 7-9 months. i am only still toned, not really that much bigger in size. how long should i expect before i become at least moderately bigger, or at least until i see some real depth in my chest? how long did it take you guys before you saw some REAL results?


    Eating properly, an untrained person can see strength gains of 80%, or more, in their initial 9 months of training. If you aren't getting those sorts of gains, you're not training properly. This has been well documented and holds true with everyone from 13 to 80. It's one of the universal laws of resistance training.

    Genetics plays a factor, but, it not the prime factor. Training with intelligence is.

    When I was 17, I had the 5'th highest strength index in my high school, was 5'5" and 175#, at about 12% fat. This was WITHOUT any applied science to nutrition, recovery, or optimization training, but, rather JUST an abundance of quality calories (meat and potatoes, and no fried food).

    When I was 28, at was 12%, 5'5", and 230#, after learning considerably more about training and nutrition.

    At 49, my set point is around 220 and easy to hold. I've been told I could be 250, and, I think I could do it, if I had the money for the food, and the time to keep my activity up at a level needed to stay lean at that weight.

    With gay guys, bi guys, or insecure picture-less / head-less on The Internet, low esteem, low patience, lack of discipline, lack of focus, failure to EAT (#1 reason for failure) all, a bad work ethic, and whiny, all contribute to a plan for failure. Doing squats for leg presses with 100s of pounds is work. Doing cardio, eating on schedule...all require focus and discipline. Many folks don't have that ability to focus, and push themselves to the next level, nor do they have the patience and discipline required.

    That may be you.

    First thing, address the person issues, of low esteem, work ethic, impatience, and lack of focus. Then, read, and EAT.

    What works right for one person may not work for you, but, often will.

    flex89 / Logan gained 85 pounds of lean muscle mass while lowering his body fat by 2%, in five months, all while being a type 1 diabetic. You DO NOT HAVE TO CONTINUE TO FAIL. You have to, instead, make a plan for success.



    Thank you for the advice. But I must say. You can be a real DICK!!!!
    Please refrain from posting messages on any of my future posts. If it was possibly your ass would be blocked from any topic I posted.
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    Dec 03, 2009 6:28 AM GMT
    MadeinMich said
    chuckystud said
    MadeinMich saidi hve been lifting for 9 months. i have been lifting properly for 7-9 months. i am only still toned, not really that much bigger in size. how long should i expect before i become at least moderately bigger, or at least until i see some real depth in my chest? how long did it take you guys before you saw some REAL results?


    Eating properly, an untrained person can see strength gains of 80%, or more, in their initial 9 months of training. If you aren't getting those sorts of gains, you're not training properly. This has been well documented and holds true with everyone from 13 to 80. It's one of the universal laws of resistance training.

    Genetics plays a factor, but, it not the prime factor. Training with intelligence is.

    When I was 17, I had the 5'th highest strength index in my high school, was 5'5" and 175#, at about 12% fat. This was WITHOUT any applied science to nutrition, recovery, or optimization training, but, rather JUST an abundance of quality calories (meat and potatoes, and no fried food).

    When I was 28, at was 12%, 5'5", and 230#, after learning considerably more about training and nutrition.

    At 49, my set point is around 220 and easy to hold. I've been told I could be 250, and, I think I could do it, if I had the money for the food, and the time to keep my activity up at a level needed to stay lean at that weight.

    With gay guys, bi guys, or insecure picture-less / head-less on The Internet, low esteem, low patience, lack of discipline, lack of focus, failure to EAT (#1 reason for failure) all, a bad work ethic, and whiny, all contribute to a plan for failure. Doing squats for leg presses with 100s of pounds is work. Doing cardio, eating on schedule...all require focus and discipline. Many folks don't have that ability to focus, and push themselves to the next level, nor do they have the patience and discipline required.

    That may be you.

    First thing, address the person issues, of low esteem, work ethic, impatience, and lack of focus. Then, read, and EAT.

    What works right for one person may not work for you, but, often will.

    flex89 / Logan gained 85 pounds of lean muscle mass while lowering his body fat by 2%, in five months, all while being a type 1 diabetic. You DO NOT HAVE TO CONTINUE TO FAIL. You have to, instead, make a plan for success.



    Thank you for the advice. But I must say. You can be a real DICK!!!!
    Please refrain from posting messages on any of my future posts. If it was possibly your ass would be blocked from any topic I posted.


    That's why you continue to fail. You make my point, entirely. You're not coachable.

    It's one thing that's as sure as the sun is going to come up in the east: If you continue to do things the way you are you will continue to have things mostly the same. Without a serious attitude adjustment (getting the chip off your shoulder) you'll likely not make good progress.

    The problem is you. Not me. I get it done.

    I simply told you the statistics, and Logan's and my own history. If you choose to resent that and that somehow makes me evil, I'm real happy to be evil. It's indicative that you have much deeper issues than just not making gains in the weight room. You need to project than animosity in a direction that will do you some good. Being in denial of the real factors here is not the way to go.

    Look at you, afraid to show your face, and 1500 miles away spouting off in impudence and defiance at a 49 year old guy who has the success at it you desire. Sucks to be you.