New York Senate Set for Gay Marriage Vote

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    Dec 02, 2009 6:15 PM GMT
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/03/nyregion/03marriage.html

    ALBANY The State Senate scheduled a vote for Wednesday about whether to legalize same-sex marriage, but the outcome remained uncertain with people on both sides of the debate conceding they did not know how the vote would play out.

    By clearing the path for a vote, Senate Democrats have removed the last remaining obstacle for a debate on the same-sex marriage bill, which has never been put to a vote in the Senate despite repeated efforts by gay rights advocates.

    But Democrats, who have a bare, one-seat majority, do not have enough votes to pass the bill without some Republican support.

    Senate Republicans said Wednesday morning that they believed their members could provide a few votes for the bill, but it was not certain whether those votes would be enough to offset the handful of Democratic no votes that are anticipated.

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    Dec 02, 2009 6:33 PM GMT
    If the legislation passes, New York would become the sixth state where marriage between same-sex couples is legal or will soon be permitted. If it fails, New York would become the latest state where gay rights advocates have made considerable progress only to see their hopes dashed.

    Last month Maine became the 31st state to block same-sex marriage through a referendum. The Maine State Legislature had voted to legalize same-sex unions earlier this year, but opponents of gay rights gathered enough signatures to put the measure on the ballot.

    Last year, California voters repealed same-sex marriage after the State Supreme Court said that gay couples had the right to marry.

    Unlike in Maine, however, New York does not have a referendum process that allows voters to overturn an act of the Legislature.

    If the measure passes on Wednesday, it would probably become law quickly and would be nearly impossible to reverse.

    The State Assembly has already approved the legislation, and Gov. David A. Paterson has said he will immediately sign the bill once it makes it to his desk.

    Shortly after midnight on Wednesday, the Assembly voted 88 to 51 to allow same-sex marriage. Though the Assembly has already passed the bill twice, a quirk in New York’s legislative code required the Assembly to pass the bill again before the governor can sign it
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    Dec 02, 2009 6:56 PM GMT
    I will purchase and eat a hat if this passes. Four Dems have said no and no Republicans have said they will support it. We just do not have the votes until we redistrict.
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    Dec 02, 2009 7:29 PM GMT
    you can watch the debate here:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/02/gay-marriage-in-new-york-_0_n_377020.html
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    Dec 02, 2009 7:57 PM GMT
    It lost 24-38 icon_sad.gif
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    Dec 02, 2009 8:21 PM GMT
    We watched, the fools didn't pay attention to the completely logical statements from the yes Senators.

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    Dec 02, 2009 8:22 PM GMT
    We lost again. Shocking...
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    Dec 02, 2009 8:25 PM GMT
    Dems just won control of the Senate last year.

    Having the majority is great, but it means shit if you have eight Dems voting no. We NYers better write checks, knock on doors, and phone bank for primary challengers in a few months.
  • metta

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    Dec 02, 2009 8:26 PM GMT
    Not a single Republican voted for it.

    Back to focussing on getting our rights through the Federal Government which should force the states to follow.
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    Dec 02, 2009 8:30 PM GMT
    I could care less about the Republicans. 8 Dems voted against it.

    25% of Democrats voted against it.

    We could piss away our resources fighting against gerrymandered GOP seats or we can primary fuck headed Democrats and elect real progressives.
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    Dec 02, 2009 8:35 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidI could care less about the Republicans. 8 Dems voted against it.

    25% of Democrats voted against it.

    We could piss away our resources fighting against gerrymandered GOP seats or we can primary fuck headed Democrats and elect real progressives.


    Recent history has shown us that our side lacks intensity. Our opposition is unified in vehement opposition, while our straight supporters are lukewarm in their support. There aren't enough of us gay people to pass anything by ourselves, so we depend on our straight allies, and they just don't seem to care enough to counteract the hatred coming from the other side...

  • Timbales

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    Dec 02, 2009 8:38 PM GMT
    is there a list of who voted yet?
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    Dec 02, 2009 8:41 PM GMT
    I disagree Jarhead. We have lots of straight supporters who are unified behind us. There are four or five GLBT members in the Assembly and Marriage Equality passed overwhelmingly and has in the past. Only one member of the Senate is gay and we still had 23 other supporters, most of whom cosponsored the bill.

    I just think the GLBT public interest groups have their heads up their asses. They are lobbyists throwing money at politicians who support us but are doing squat to change public opinion. Senator Bill Stachowski hasn't had a primary in years and he is one of the biggest opponents of GLBT issues in the Senate. Where is the beef GLBT groups?
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    Dec 02, 2009 8:42 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidDems just won control of the Senate last year.

    Having the majority is great, but it means shit if you have eight Dems voting no. We NYers better write checks, knock on doors, and phone bank for primary challengers in a few months.

    Except you won't, not most NY gays, anyway. "Gay rights don't concern me, I don't plan to get married anyway." We're barely 10% of the population, and most of that 10% couldn't give a flying fuck what happens politically to us.
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    Dec 03, 2009 2:01 AM GMT
    "The NY State Senate voted down gay marriage today with a 38-24 margin. Here is the only good thing to come out of the vote: a speech by Senator Diane Savino from Staten Island that will knock your socks off. Particularly if you hate reality TV show brides."

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/akdobbins/amazing-ny-gay-marriage-floor-speech




    This really was a fantastic speech.
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    Dec 03, 2009 2:24 AM GMT
    Those politicians needs stay out my bedroom. I don't give any damn fuck if they vote for marriage or not. They will be vote out their chambers next year. I am sick and tired about their childish and selfish. Bibles don't teach hate or against homosexual " love thy neighbor"
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    Dec 03, 2009 2:37 AM GMT
    jprswim said"The NY State Senate voted down gay marriage today with a 38-24 margin. Here is the only good thing to come out of the vote: a speech by Senator Diane Savino from Staten Island that will knock your socks off. Particularly if you hate reality TV show brides."

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/akdobbins/amazing-ny-gay-marriage-floor-speech




    This really was a fantastic speech.





    thats truly was a great speech, thanks for sharing
  • metta

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    Dec 03, 2009 3:59 AM GMT
    NY State Senator Eric Adams



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCHkqVbN3jg



    You can thank him here:
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/New-York-State-Senator-Eric-Adams/80559174013?ref=ss







    NY State Senator Diane Savino (clip in previous post above):
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Senator-Diane-J-Savino/136884736636?ref=nf





    NY State Senator Craig Johnson:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YfELI5n_LQ&feature=channel



    johnson@senate.state.ny.us



    Website: http://www.senatorcraigjohnson.org/



    NY State Senator Ruth Hassell-Thompson



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1criD7cMfs&feature=channel



    http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/ruth-hassell-thompson



    NY State Senator Jose M. Serrano

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHDk_gAUupM&feature=channel



    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jose-Serrano/6652093062?v=wall&ref=search



    Senator Tom Duane



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5AXg9R6HpQ&feature=channel



    http://www.tomduane.com/



    Senator Liz Krueger:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GmL1VKPpDg


    http://www.facebook.com/pages/New-York-NY/State-Senator-Liz-Kruegers-Youth-Civics-Project/150670888694?ref=search&sid=637239391.3254185146..1





    Senator Velmanette Montgomery



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6idl3SBaoWE&feature=channel



    http://www.facebook.com/NYStateSenatorVelmanetteMontgomery?ref=search&sid=637239391.1225871933..1




    Senator Daniel Squadron:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcdg21xIYXU&feature=channel



    http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/daniel-l-squadron





    Senator Eric Schneiderman:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_oUaaicLas&feature=channel



    http://www.schneiderman.org/show.php?page=home



    Senator Jeff klein:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_faxM8hEcK0&feature=channel


    http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/jeffrey-d-klein





  • metta

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    Dec 03, 2009 5:03 PM GMT
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    Dec 03, 2009 5:48 PM GMT
    I knew that it wasn't going to pass
    Because you have politicians afraid to take a stand

    All the democrats that voted against this were from Upstate NY and LI
    where there are more conservatives and republicans in the constituency

    And AGAIN I have to point out that Civil Rights for a minority group BY defintion needs to come from the judiciary
    The rights of the FEW shall not denied by the majority

    This is why if you are a homosexual man and you vote for a republican
    you are denying yourself rights .... it's that simple
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    Dec 03, 2009 6:01 PM GMT
    I am no longer at all comfortable with statements like "if you are a homosexual man and you vote for a republican you are denying yourself rights". While things might be a whole lot worse with Republicans in power, I do not see the Dems going out of their way to support gay issues. Supporting republicans or democrats can result in the denial of rights for gay people, as we're seeing over and over again.
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    Dec 03, 2009 6:55 PM GMT
    McGay saidI am no longer at all comfortable with statements like "if you are a homosexual man and you vote for a republican you are denying yourself rights". While things might be a whole lot worse with Republicans in power, I do not see the Dems going out of their way to support gay issues. Supporting republicans or democrats can result in the denial of rights for gay people, as we're seeing over and over again.




    The majority of democrats do support gay rights to different degrees. It is of course not all of them. The Democrats have never been able to play the all or nothing game that the Republicans seem to be effective with. The Republicans specifically state in their platform that they do not support us on many levels. Democrats do not do this. (P.S.: I'm not a Democrat or a Republican)

    I belong to a ridiculously small party, the Green Party, that has always openly supported full equality for people that are GLBT.