Intermittent Fasting (IF)

  • delthespaz

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    Dec 03, 2009 5:27 AM GMT
    This is a controversial subject of late. Curious if any RJ'ers have had any positive / negative results with Intermittent Fasting (IF).

    I currently do a 24 hour fast once a week and actually haven't had any issues thus far when combined with a regular training program. I'm losing weight, and don't feel like I'm losing gains either.
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    Dec 03, 2009 6:51 AM GMT
    clodel saidThis is a controversial subject of late. Curious if any RJ'ers have had any positive / negative results with Intermittent Fasting (IF).

    I currently do a 24 hour fast once a week and actually haven't had any issues thus far when combined with a regular training program. I'm losing weight, and don't feel like I'm losing gains either.


    You'll want to study up on the feast famine response. Nothing conditions your body on how to be fat-storing machine faster than fasting.

    Not much controversy on this. It's been studied, and known, for years.
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    Dec 03, 2009 6:58 AM GMT
    Your topic headline made me laugh... I thought it said "Intermittent Fisting" icon_lol.gif

    I echo what Chucky's said. Your body will start storing fat because of this. Also starving your self, even for a day, wreaks havoc on your system.

    Bad, bad, idea.
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    Dec 03, 2009 7:19 AM GMT
    GwgTrunks saidYour topic headline made me laugh... I thought it said "Intermittent Fisting" icon_lol.gif
    I read that too. icon_lol.gif
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    Dec 03, 2009 7:37 AM GMT
    I wouldnt say that I fast but I bearly eat one meal a day. Im usually not hungry through out the rest of the day and if i am I might just snack on something.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 03, 2009 7:40 AM GMT
    My problem is eating too fast icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 03, 2009 7:48 AM GMT
    I'm not familiar with IF - are you referring to occasional one day fasts?
    If I'm taking time off from training (a couple of weeks) I will take a one day fast.
    I think it's good for the stomach and bowels to have a little time off as well. If I did gain fat from it, I didn't notice. Maybe my metabolism is different - I do eat about six small meals a day and I've been that way since I was a kid. Of course, I count sleep time as part of the twenty four hours.
    I guess I do about 3 days a year total, several months apart.

  • Neon_Dreams

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    Dec 03, 2009 9:54 AM GMT
    My opinion...everybody's body is different. If fasting once a week makes you feel better, go for it! We all have different training goals as well. I'm not sure if a once-a-week fast will definitely send your body into so-called "starvation mode".

    Fasting can be spiritual also. Don't believe the hype!! Do what feels good.


    Joe
  • ATLANTIS7

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    Dec 03, 2009 10:24 AM GMT
    Fasting is good for you clears all the crap from the body l often do it and once a week is ok l think once a month is fine but that's just me ok!
  • MikemikeMike

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    Dec 03, 2009 2:28 PM GMT
    someone on here will be internet fasting if his(CS) rudeness is allowed to continue in forums!! hint hint Chris from RJ!!!
  • Celticmusl

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    Dec 03, 2009 2:56 PM GMT
    I've done fasting before and I liked my body's response. Everyone should know by now your body's metabolism should not shut down or be altered by a 2 or 3 day fast every once in awhile. There is a rise in your growth hormone level when you fast so that might also be why you seem to lose weight more easily if you fast sporadically.

    A great number of people fast over the world, for religious reasons, or for health. Endorphins might play a role in fasting since many people that fast state that they will have a feeling of euphoria in the later days of a fast.

    I enjoy Kombucha Tea when I fast. Here is a guide to a Kombucha Tea Fast if you are interested:

    http://chetday.com/jfast.html
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    Dec 03, 2009 3:04 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidMy problem is eating too fast icon_rolleyes.gif


    RIGHT! me too. then I get a tummy ache! icon_sad.gif

  • Dec 03, 2009 3:07 PM GMT
    I've read that it works like this: The fewer times you eat, the more fat you store, since the body has to work a long time without any input.
    Sumo fighters train actually a lot, really a lot of sport, and eat just once a day, a broth that is called chanko-nabe (which is actually quite a healthy dish, not as much calories as you would expect). That's how the build a strong body covered in a thick layer of fat.

    On the other hand:

    Among the great apes, we are the ones that are better developed for fasting and starving, and that is because we store more fat than our relatives. Chimps and Gorillas have hardly any fat, and that's because they are eating almost all the time, pickling around (especially the gorillas). When you see a Gorilla's abdomen, it's actually hard (it's because of the greatly enlarged bowels, in order to ferment the plants they feed on), no layer of fat.

    I read that this is because we, humans, had to adapt to a savannah environment, where food was scarce and hard to get, whereas chimps (our closest relatives) where in the fair part of the mountain ridge, with rainforest, and food was all around.

    If you think about it, this is very logic. If the apes are eating constantly, there is no need for the body to store any fat, since the next sugar/nutrient input is right next to you, or close by. If you fast for a day, or eat very few times, the body will store as much fat as it can, since "he" doesn't know for how long will it have to go without food
  • Neon_Dreams

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    Dec 03, 2009 3:38 PM GMT
    rhincodon_typus said..... If you fast for a day, or eat very few times, the body will store as much fat as it can, since "he" doesn't know for how long will it have to go without food


    Ah, so it is only logical that if you fast one day per week, or several times per year, your body should be conditioned to 'know' it is only a temporary time of no food source. Perhaps?

    Temporary, sporadic fasts may hit your metabolism rate- but, it will not be permanent as the fast is not permanent! Duh?

    A fast is typically for detoxification (a good thing, right!?), weight loss (not such a great strategy, I agree), and/or spiritual growth (as I have used fasts for in the past). I don't think anybody is arguing that fasting will lead to increased muscle mass, decreased body fat, etc.

    Whatever your personal reasons for fasting, if they are done safely and in moderation- I believe- they add to overall health and wellness.


    Joe
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    Dec 04, 2009 7:27 PM GMT
    Celticmusl saidI've done fasting before and I liked my body's response. Everyone should know by now your body's metabolism should not shut down or be altered by a 2 or 3 day fast every once in awhile. There is a rise in your growth hormone level when you fast so that might also be why you seem to lose weight more easily if you fast sporadically.

    A great number of people fast over the world, for religious reasons, or for health. Endorphins might play a role in fasting since many people that fast state that they will have a feeling of euphoria in the later days of a fast.

    I enjoy Kombucha Tea when I fast. Here is a guide to a Kombucha Tea Fast if you are interested:

    http://chetday.com/jfast.html


    When you go into ketosis, you can feel weird.

    Whenever someone comes to me complaining of headaches in the afternoon the first thing I do is have them test their blood sugar.

    This happened just yesterday at the mail place. A young lady had been having afternoon headaches for several weeks. flex89 and I checked her blood sugar, and sure enough, it was low. 2 pieces of candy later, she was feeling like a million bucks and praising my common sense. Other folks had told her stress, etc. Nope. Small meals often for nice stable blood sugar, metabolism, and insulin levels.
  • hdurdinr

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    Dec 05, 2009 8:55 AM GMT
    if I'm feeling fat (which I am right now!) I will not fast, but for three or four days I will eat very lightly - grazing - that way I figure my metabolism won't slow down, so by grazing I would probably end up eating 1 - 1.5 worths of a normal meal in a day and still do light exercise.
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    Jan 19, 2010 5:02 PM GMT
    been reading a blog lately where he talks about 16 hour fasts and then eating the 3 meals within the 8 hours.

    Generally I have been doing something similar but not as extreme for years now...maybe a 12-13 hour fast when I can (work permitting) and then eating 3 meals a day. I have never done 6-7 meals and what works for me is the big portions at each meal, now I will throw a small protein snack in between lunch and dinner though.

    On weekends my boyfriend and I dont eat breakfast until 11-12 and thats after not eating from say 9-10PM the night before and then eat dinner at 6 with maybe a protein snack in between. Thats basically 2 meals but those days are off training days so we arent too concerned with getting our normal protein levels. Still the two meals are huge portions and we do get a pretty good amount of protein in.
  • danisnotstr8

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    Jan 19, 2010 5:18 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite said
    GwgTrunks saidYour topic headline made me laugh... I thought it said "Intermittent Fisting" icon_lol.gif
    I read that too. icon_lol.gif


    I knew I couldn't possibly be the only one.
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    Nov 16, 2011 7:06 PM GMT
    The "your body stores fat if you fast" mythology needs to be put to bed.

    Martin Berkhan's intermittent fasting program (12-16 hour fast/8-12 hour feed daily) works wonders, but even one-day a week fasts have positive benefits on body composition:

    http://thesameffect.com/my-experiences-with-intermittent-fasting/

    http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html


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    Nov 16, 2011 7:23 PM GMT
    This topic's ... fasting? I thought it was about fisting.

    Dammit, and I jumped into this thread loaded for bear.
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    Nov 16, 2011 7:26 PM GMT
    I read Martin Berkhan's blog for a few months and decided to give it a try. It was definitely not his program and my comments are no reflection on whether his program works or not. It was just the source of where I got the limited information that I got before giving it a try.

    Long story short, it didn't work very well for me. I would consume all my calories in a small window of the day and then fast for the rest of the day. I was never hungry but I did put on fat and didn't lean out. Like I said, my program was far from scientific but I didn't feel like I got results as good as a simple paleo diet, especially one with no alcohol consumption.

    I've definitely gotten my best results eating strict paleo including no alcohol and then taking a healthy dose of fish oil daily.
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    Nov 17, 2011 1:55 AM GMT
    Intermittent fasting worked/works for me.
    Intermittent fasting may not work for you.
    Experiment and find out for yourself. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 17, 2011 2:15 AM GMT
    I actually don't eat the last weekend of every month. Just water on Sat & Sun. Have been doing this for years. (And before all of the RJ armchair doctors start, yes my doctor knows.) It just makes me more self disciplined. That was my main reason for doing it.
    I actually feel really good after the first day, hungry but not uncomfortable. Like I said, have been doing it for years.

    Tristan
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    Nov 17, 2011 8:30 AM GMT
    I think i might try a fast & feast program that I've been reading about on t-nations website. Fast all day with just bcaa's.. eat one big meal late in the day. I'm thinking it'll work. The only thing I'm worried about is if I'm going to have a rebound afterwards when i decide to start eating smaller meals during the day.
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    Nov 18, 2011 5:00 AM GMT

    Thanks for the link. It's the same idea that i was looking into. I'll check out the workout. Good to hear its working for you. I'm not really looking for allot of size either. I've always trained more for strength and physique.