Campaign Hypocrite

  • metta

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    Dec 03, 2009 4:01 PM GMT
    I came up with an idea for a marketing campaign to show people how wrong it is to make political decisions based on religion.

    Imagine advertising with a big word that says

    Hypocrite!

    Under it, it says:

    If you are going to make politcial decisions based on religion, then....


    examples:
    - bring back stoning and publicly kill all the non-virgins as the bible tells us to do
    (more than 80% of women are non-virgins before they get married)

    - take away womens individual rights because women are property not individuals in the bible.

    - bring back slavery as the bible tells us we should have slaves
  • metta

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    Dec 03, 2009 5:24 PM GMT

    Too aggressive?

    I think that it is a marketing campaign that would stir up controversy and discussion.
  • JP85257

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    Dec 03, 2009 5:26 PM GMT
    metta8 saidI came up with an idea for a marketing campaign to show people how wrong it is to make political decisions based on religion.

    Imagine advertising with a big word that says

    Hypocrite!

    Under it, it says:

    If you are going to make politcial decisions based on religion, then....


    examples:
    - bring back stoning and publicly kill all the non-virgins as the bible tells us to do
    (more than 80% of women are non-virgins before they get married)

    - take away womens individual rights because women are property not individuals in the bible.

    - bring back slavery as the bible tells us we should have slaves

    Sounds good to me.
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    Dec 03, 2009 7:06 PM GMT
    Not too aggressive. Unfortunately, at least here in NJ, the leadership of the LBGT movement and some of the most prominent people within are religious leaders as well (a couple of lesbian ministers, Steve Goldstein - a rabbi I believe, and some others) and seem to dismiss any religion related discussion. I went to GSE meeting a few weeks back and in the heat of a moment I too loudly said "fuck the religious" at which point my half of the room muted a bit. I have an idea for a sign too:

    MY RELIGION IS RIGHT AND YOUR RELIGION IS WRONG SO FUCK OFF
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    Dec 03, 2009 7:15 PM GMT
    The argument about Christian groups cherry-picking from the Bible has been used before, but the zealots simply turn a deaf ear. They do some double-talk about then and now, without explaining how some "then" is OK "now" but not others.

    They also bring the New Testament into it, especially Paul's condemnation of gay men, which supposedly makes all the anti-gay Old Testament stuff still valid.

    Just accept that you can never win with these people. Their hearts & minds are closed, so don't waste your time. The rest of the US, however, whom these evangelicals are trying to recruit, might present more opportunities for an enlightened & informed point of view.
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    Dec 03, 2009 8:19 PM GMT
    I agree w/RV. They are all just another form of "fanatic". Whether Il-kedia, anti abortionists, or the far left. There is NO getting them to understand anything except their own beliefs...
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    Dec 03, 2009 8:20 PM GMT
    Scuse my mis-spelling...
  • metta

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    Dec 03, 2009 8:50 PM GMT
    But we don't need to change everyones mind....just another 6-8% will do. icon_smile.gif


    One action by a 10 year old boy in Arkansas changed the minds of millions of Americans:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/712135/


    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0911/S00648.htm
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    Dec 03, 2009 9:24 PM GMT
    Take heart....the atheism/agnostic movement is growing.
  • ickymuffin

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    Dec 03, 2009 9:43 PM GMT
    metta8 saidI came up with an idea for a marketing campaign to show people how wrong it is to make political decisions based on religion.

    Imagine advertising with a big word that says

    Hypocrite!

    Under it, it says:

    If you are going to make politcial decisions based on religion, then....


    examples:
    - bring back stoning and publicly kill all the non-virgins as the bible tells us to do
    (more than 80% of women are non-virgins before they get married)

    - take away womens individual rights because women are property not individuals in the bible.

    - bring back slavery as the bible tells us we should have slaves


    I think the GLBT community and friends would enjoy this ad more so than religious folks. I think there is an inherent flaw in the GLBT movement when we try to argue with religious beliefs and call people bigots. It just draws a line in the sand and causes our messages to fall on deaf ears.

    I think what we need to do is find a way to diffuse some of the primary ideas that people have about gay people:
    -it is a choice (this I think is the biggest one)
    -legalizing gay marriage will force churches to marry gays.
    -this is NOT a religious issue. Marriage is a civil institution...though I am not sure how to tailor the message in a way that people really GET it.
    -supporting the gay "lifestyle" opens the door to pedophilia and polygamy.

    More than anything I think we would benefit from a campaign that would more or less re-brand homosexuals. There is a great deal of gay characters in TV these days, but it is rare for these characters to break from the stereotypes, and archetypes. I think the diversity of our community, the breadth of our roles in society(jobs that aren't seen as being quite so trivial, like designer and stylist), and that we have the same up's and downs as other people.

    While the gay community has always prided itself in eccentricities, I think if we are to ease people into accepting us, we need to strive for an image of same-ness.
  • metta

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    Dec 04, 2009 6:02 PM GMT
    an open letter to Dr Laura. No idea who wrote it.

    ************

    Dear Dr. Laura

    Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
    have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
    knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
    the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
    Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

    I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other
    specific laws and how to follow them.

    1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
    pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.
    They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
    Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
    price for her?

    3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
    her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is,
    how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

    4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
    female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
    of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
    you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

    5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
    35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
    to kill him myself?

    6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
    abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
    homosexuality. I don.t agree. Can you settle this?

    7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
    have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
    glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room
    here?

    8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
    around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
    19:27. How should they die?

    9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
    me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

    10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
    different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing
    garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester
    blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really
    necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
    together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn.t we just burn them to
    death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with
    their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

    I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident
    you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is
    eternal and unchanging.

    Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,
    Jack