Who will have more "staying power".... Adam Lambert or Susan Boyle?

  • silverfox

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    Dec 04, 2009 4:56 AM GMT
    Susan Boyle sold a staggering 700,000 plus copies of her debut album this week making it the biggest debut by any artist this year.

    Adam Lambert's opened with respectable sales of 198,000 this his first week.

    What an interesting week in music.
    Runner up of American Idol (Lambert)beats sales of the AI winner (Kris Allen) easily.
    Susan Boyle's sales completely reversing the trends in the music industry- only 6% of her sales are digital downloads. People are actually going into stores and buying her CD's.

    Both artists have fierce followings.

    My question.

    In 5 years.....which one will be selling more music?


    Adam or Susan?


    I am going to put my money on Susan Boyle.
    Her music is classic and familiar and you cannot beat her Cinderella story.

    I think Adam will be a "star" but I still question whether or not he will be a mega huge recording artist. Some are saying his sales were boosted by his "shocking" performance on the American Music Awards. I guess I would have to question how much more shocking he would have to be to match the sales of Susan Boyle.

    What do you guys think?








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    Dec 04, 2009 5:18 AM GMT
    The public is fickle.
    People tune into these shows because they want to buy a pre-made story of "discovering" a new artist, rather than going out there to live shows and festivals and loaning/borrowing music to/from friends and discovering an artist/group on your own, then learning more about them if your curiosity leads you past the album liner. Who has the time for all that effort these days, when there are so many other reality TV shows TIVOd and demanding our attention?

    So to answer the question, there is no answer that can be known about how long they'll "stay", because the only reason they're "here" is that we were all looking for something to do on a Tuesday night, and watching a docu-drama about someone else fulfilling their dreams is a nice substitute for living our own.

    Celebrities who are, like different versions of Barbie, created by the media industry with archetypal personal narratives for the explicit purpose of being celebrities, will stay around as long as we have a collective need for a celebrity in that narrative role in our lives, or until they can be replaced with someone whose narrative is more compelling or at least new and therefore not yet turned inside-out and emptied, its storehouse of Significance devoured by our ravenous anima-haunted psyche like the vacuole of a plant cell segregated from its food source.

    To clarify (haha): I have heard Susan Boyle and am generally familiar with her Narrative as delivered by the producers of the show she appeared on. Adam Lambert I know nothing about other than he seems to be the latest famous-for-being-famous name I see in market-driven news headlines for the last couple months. I assume from the context clues that he is a singer of some kind.
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    Dec 04, 2009 5:18 AM GMT
    I keep saying it... I think Adam Lambert has so much potential but if his songs suck, it doesn't matter how well he sings.

    I'm gonna buy my Grandma the Susan Boyle cd for Christmas.

    CONGRATS SUSAN BOYLE (FTW)
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    Dec 04, 2009 5:25 AM GMT
    Susan Boyle does have talent but she's a flash in the pan. If she markets herself well, I could see her doing theatre. But I don't see her as a mainstream singer that gets airplay on the radio.

    Adam Lambert. Here today, gone tomorrow. He's too gimmicky. It clouds his actual singing abilities. If he's trying to be the male version of Lady Gaga, more power to him. But I think people will forget who he is a year or two.
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    Dec 04, 2009 5:28 AM GMT
    Adam Lambert seems to want to be going the Madonna way...BUT i'm not sue if he has enough talent to see it through....and he dosen't seem interesting enough to me to make his shock tactics truly shocking so i can see him being a "flavor of the month" and then fizzling out unless he changes it up.

    Susan Boyle can sing and that's solid. If she makes a name for herself purely on that...i can see her ebing around for the long haul (be it on a smaller scale)
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    Dec 04, 2009 6:02 AM GMT
    That's a good question because I am a fan of both artists.

    I'm inclined to say they will both be around in 5 years because I only like the best..lol

    However, after Adam secures North America's attention by the initial shock value so many artists initiate, I hope he does some work that showcases his voice. He has covered some beautiful ballads that have made me press "play"repeatedly. I just wish some of these artists with great voices would realise their voice alone will carry them through. I honestly never gave Christina Aguilera the time of day, until I heard her singing on the grocery store intercom. It took me a moment to realise who she was because I didn't see the whorish behaviour first.

    Adam and Susan will each have their own niche, with Susan being the safer choice to play around the general public.
  • silverfox

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    Dec 04, 2009 2:10 PM GMT
    [quote][cite]spyski778 said[/cite

    (Like I said, I don't intend to slam the OP by writing this.. it's just something to think about. I myself am planning to start a topic about Mariah Carey's possible Oscar nomination.. not much different from this post really, though acting is a tad bit more intellectual than AI)[/quote]



    Note from the OP

    I certainly don't feel "slammed" upon spyski. I really wasn't saying good nor bad about the recordings of Susan Boyle and Adam Lambert. Basically, the question was who is going to be selling more recordings in 5 years time.

    I wonder what would be the point in trying to figure out which is a more "intellectual" discussion....the possible Mariah Carey Oscar nomination (for real?) or this particular discussion?

    What is the point?

    Not to get off track here... but the Susan Boyle sales phenomenon is a really big deal and record labels are taking notice. Why? Because sales of actual CDs are much more profitable to them than digital downloads. Columbia Records (Susan's label) must be jumping for joy- partly because her audience skews older than most other artists and they are more comfortable buying CD's than trying to use the internet to get music, and partly because so many people "connected" with her and they want to hold a piece of this Cinderella story in their hands.
    The long term implications? It might be in record companies best interests to put their marketing bucks behind artists who cater to an older audience than their younger counterparts.


    So...to summarize spyski....a thread is what you make of it. I like hearing all views (including yours) and I welcome the discussion and look forward to your thread on the Mariah Carey nomination because I know little about this.

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    Dec 04, 2009 2:12 PM GMT
    They are going to marry and team up to become the Sonny and Cher of the new millenium. This will last for about 1 year and 7 months at which point Susan Boyle will become a US Congressman from California and eventually crash into a tree in a horrific skiing accident. Adam will go on to sing for the navy on a big metal boat.
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    Dec 04, 2009 2:16 PM GMT
    Susan Boyle will last longer because she won't be clamoring for the limelight like Miss Lambert.
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    Dec 04, 2009 2:20 PM GMT
    Susan Boyle will buckle under her success, have another breakdown, and not perform for awhile.

    Adam Lambert will put out another disappointing album, and then get into acting or broadway. He'll probably get the lead role in another round of "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat."
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    Dec 04, 2009 4:55 PM GMT
    My vote is for Susan Boyle - she is a real person who wasn't a celebrity and is familiar with everyday people. The public realizes that she is one of "us" who was just fortunate enought to make her dreams come true. I love her angelic voice and I think she will be around for a very long time. icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 04, 2009 5:00 PM GMT
    In 5 years both of them will be has beens
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    Dec 04, 2009 5:02 PM GMT
    Blondizgd saidIn 5 years both of them will be has beens


    I think you're right.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 04, 2009 5:14 PM GMT
    spyski778 saidNot to be cynical, but I hope that in 5 years people will get a life and not be talking about american idol. This obsession with celebrities has gotten out of hand. What used to be the news page is now filled with celeb stories (and diet, clothes and dating "advice") rather than what is REALLY going on in the world: namely, some intelligent discussion on politics. That's what the news should really be about, the REAL crimes going on in America.

    I sincerely hope that by 2012 there will be some massive shift on this planet that will change the priorities of the populous, even if it means a total crash of the stock market, standing in soup lines, and people going so far as having to stitch together old clothes once again if they want a bed cover for the winter. And I really do mean that.

    (Like I said, I don't intend to slam the OP by writing this.. it's just something to think about. I myself am planning to start a topic about Mariah Carey's possible Oscar nomination.. not much different from this post really, though acting is a tad bit more intellectual than AI)



    Well, 20-to-30 million "American Idol" fans would beg to differ with you...me being one of them. It is the #1 TV show on the planet, and has been since the get-go, for a reason...it's entertaining. Perhaps you're not entertained, but millions are. Doesn't mean they need to "Get a Life", it simply means that they have a life, and everyone deserves to escape that life now and then for sheer entertainment. Besides being entertaining, "American Idol" serves the purpose of plucking talent from obscurity who otherwise may never have gotten that break in the music business, and giving them their moment to shine. "American Idol" gives that talent the platform, but in the end America (through the voting) pics the winners. Once they get that break, just like any other artist in the business, their "talent" and the "songs" will either take them to the next level, or it won't. Some have gone on to huge careers (Kelly, Carrie, Jennifer Hudson, Daughtry), and many others have lesser known but working careers on Broadway and other venues.

    That being said, I do agree with you that the obsession with "celebrity" has really gone over the top. It has never been more clear than this week on a day when Obama announced he was sending 30,000 more troops to war, and the media was more interested in the Tiger Woods domestic dispute.
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    Dec 04, 2009 5:18 PM GMT
    Wait.. did that sexy republican guy from Arizona actually say something I agree with? icon_eek.gif


    CuriousJockAZ said

    Well, 20-to-30 million "American Idol" fans would beg to differ with you...me being one of them. It is the #1 TV show on the planet, and has been since the get-go, for a reason...it's entertaining. Perhaps you're not entertained, but millions are. Doesn't mean they need to "Get a Life", it simply means that they have a life, and everyone deserves to escape that life now and then for sheer entertainment. Besides being entertaining, "American Idol" serves the purpose of plucking talent from obscurity who otherwise may never have gotten that break in the music business, and giving them their moment to shine. "American Idol" gives that talent the platform, but in the end America (through the voting) pics the winners. Once they get that break, just like any other artist in the business, their "talent" and the "songs" will either take them to the next level, or it won't. Some have gone on to huge careers (Kelly, Carrie, Jennifer Hudson, Daughtry), and many others have lesser known but working careers on Broadway and other venues.

    That being said, I do agree with you that the obsession with "celebrity" has really gone over the top. It has never been more clear than this week on a day when Obama announced he was sending 30,000 more troops to war, and the media was more interested in the Tiger Woods domestic dispute.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Dec 04, 2009 5:23 PM GMT
    To the OP's question...

    I think both will be here in 5 years, though if I had to bet on one or the other I would definitely put my money on Susan Boyle. There is a huge HUGE audience out there in the world who are hungry for the kind of music she does, and her personal story is so compelling that it will likely get even more interesting as her success grows.

    Adam Lambert on the other hand, while hugely talented, I feel is treading dangerously close to going a bit too over-the-top for his own good. I think his problem at the moment is more one of "bad management" than anything else. He has more than enough "talent" and "stage presence" to have a huge career, but if he puts the focus too much on the theatrics, his sexuality, and shock value, he could stumble. I expected much bigger sales from him the first week out than he got, and I suspect the AMA performance hurt him. It will be interesting to see how his interview next week on Barbara Walters "10 Most Fascinating People of 2009" goes because he really does have a bit of "damage control" to do where his "image" is concerned.
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    Dec 04, 2009 8:16 PM GMT
    GodAlmighty saidThey are going to marry and team up to become the Sonny and Cher of the new millenium. This will last for about 1 year and 7 months at which point Susan Boyle will become a US Congressman from California and eventually crash into a tree in a horrific skiing accident. Adam will go on to sing for the navy on a big metal boat.

    ...the tree will be killed instantly. Miss Boyle will go on to write a "tell-all" book in which she will reveal that the reason her marriage failed to Adam was because she later discovered that he is her long-lost son given up for adoption when she was seventeen. "While it is true", she will state, that she has "never been kissed", she will admit to having been fucked, "plenty!".
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    Dec 05, 2009 4:50 AM GMT
    SuBo FTW!!

    Adam Lambert seems to be a one trick pony. Some eyeliner, Fran Drescher hair, and that's about it.
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    Dec 05, 2009 5:17 AM GMT
    nysexy saidAdam Lambert seems to want to be going the Madonna way...BUT i'm not sue if he has enough talent to see it through....and he dosen't seem interesting enough to me to make his shock tactics truly shocking so i can see him being a "flavor of the month" and then fizzling out unless he changes it up.

    Susan Boyle can sing and that's solid. If she makes a name for herself purely on that...i can see her ebing around for the long haul (be it on a smaller scale)


    And Madonna has talent? She is an average singer at most, said by many and admitted by her many times.

    On topic, I don't know. I love Adam but he will have to bring new stuff, change and develop to stay successful. Lady Gaga will too. I love her new album, but I feel that if the third one is the same style, it will not be as successful.

    Susan Boyle is amazing and she could achieve a great career, but of course, in the following years her fame will not stay as mainstream as now, which is understandable. She will be something like Bette Midler, Sarah Brightman, Barbra Streisand or Dolly Parton: selling albums, people loving their songs and respecting heir talent, but not necessarily in the spotlight at all times.