YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR JOB!?

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    Dec 06, 2009 4:21 PM GMT
    How about supporting your local economy? as a consumer I am doing something very different this year, I am doing all my Holiday shopping or treating my friends and family at a local eatery or taking them to a day at the Museums, etc.....all within the surrounding communities where I live! in other words I refuse to do any online shopping or help Corporate America get fatter.

    A few weeks back I was an online doing some early comparison shopping as per the holiday gifts I like to get for family and friends, but than it just hit on me that it is best to spend a couple of extra dollars even if I may have to pay 30% to 50% more locally! I know a lot of you may ask why does that matter if the bottom line is to save money especially the way the economy is these days? sadly as consumers we don't seem to realize "the getting your money's worth" attitude we as consumers have is the very reason why our current economy is in such a mess! we blame corporate America for taking jobs overseas when in reality is the American worker's greed and our actions as consumers with our obsession of saving that have pushed Corporate America or whenever country you are at to take your jobs overseas so as to please the demands of our consumerism.


    Last week I spent at least 40% more out of my pocket then I if would have saved on the internet, but it didn't matter to me because at least I helped a lot of the local businesses and people keep their jobs.


    Happy Holidays everyone!!


    ♥ Leandro ♥
  • kinetic

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    Dec 06, 2009 7:19 PM GMT
    RIGHT ON!
  • Tiran

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    Dec 06, 2009 7:33 PM GMT
    That has been my plan as well. But I not only have been trying to by from local stores, I have been trying to buy locally produced and sourced products as well. There have been a couple of craft fairs that are younger and hipper than what my mother goes to, and I have picked up a few things there. Local restaurants, especially ones that source local and seasonal are favorites, so GCs from them are good to.

    The other philosohy I have been shopping with is "Things are out. Consumables are in."
  • roadbikeRob

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    Dec 06, 2009 7:38 PM GMT
    Just avoid the Wal Marts and Targets and all these other discount junk stores and support smaller businesses. Especially Wal Mart, that is the worst corporate preditor that competes unfairly and drives everyone else out of business. It even goes after other large chain stores and tries to make their lives miserable. Down with Wal Mart, the bully from Bentonville. You will never catch me in a Wal Mart.
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    Dec 06, 2009 9:31 PM GMT
    Great post.

    I've been preaching this sort of thing for years. I take every opportunity to buy "Made in USA" stuff. When ever I need something, I'll research it and see where I can buy an American made version (with electronics, I don't even bother). Yep, I sometimes pay more, but you get what you pay for.

    A few years ago, I needed a grill cover for my gas grill. I found a local place in Indiana that made them, so I got one. The quality was so much better then the Chinese brand available at the big box store. Of course it was a little bit more money, but again you get what you pay for.

    People just don't give a shit anymore and want stuff as cheap as possible. I also place a lot of blame on Wal-Mart for sending all of our manufacturing jobs to China. Go into a Wal-Mart and see how many things are made in China. Probably a good 97% of the non-grocery and non-pharmacy items are from China, Taiwan, etc. In order for other big-box retailers to compete with Wal-Mart they too have to sell Chinese stuff.

    Anyway, I feel damn proud when I can get an item "Made in USA".

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    Dec 06, 2009 9:46 PM GMT
    ALEZANDAR saidHow about supporting your local economy?

    That's what we do, Leandro. We avoid everything that's national chain, as much as we can, from restaurants to appliance & clothing stores. And when we do shop chain, we make it gay friendly, and where are friends work, like Macy's & Target, for example. The nearby Macy's does fashion shows to raise money for our local AIDS charity, and Target donates money to our AIDS bicycle fundraiser. We do shop with these things in mind, and never, ever at Walmart.
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    Dec 06, 2009 9:49 PM GMT
    This thread rocks!
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    Dec 06, 2009 9:58 PM GMT
    Great idea in theory, but in practice it's unrealistic to spend 30% to 50% more. Where is that money supposed to come from? "Getting our money's worth" and "comparison shopping" are the only things keeping some families afloat in this economy. I mean let's be realistic it might work for farm fresh produce and craft fairs but in the real world???

    it costs $40 to fill up my tank once per week
    on groceries I spend $200 per week

    where I'd be spending $240 you want me to spend closer to $360 to feel "American?" Where is this money going to come from? From the bonus I'm not going to be getting due to the economy?
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    Dec 07, 2009 1:48 PM GMT
    Right on guys! your comments are all well appreciated! I like most of you is also avoiding stores like Walmart and Target! it feels great contributing to the local economy, and I hope others do the same!!!


    Love you guys!,


    ♥ Leandro ♥
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    Dec 07, 2009 2:36 PM GMT
    While there is some truth to your message, I think it's simply detached from reality. People all over the world, particularly those from developed countries, live in societies where frequently, well-being is directly proportional to the amount of goods they consume. Materialism is not limited to Target and Walmart. Everything that you buy from cool gadgets and luxury cars, to bigger homes and designer clothes have an impact on the economy. Having the latest ipod, the brand new designer underwear, or the new flat tv screen are hardly necessary things, yet people today use material things to reinforce the current social stratification.

    I take this kind of advice with a grain of salt. Whenever someone is trying to educate other people, I always wonder if they are educated themselves. For instance, when people tell me I shouldn't shop at Walmart because they don't treat their employees well and they hurt local businesses, I wonder what the hell they are talking about while I look down at their $150-200+ designer shoes, which were probably made at some sweatshop in a developing country by some 13 year-old girl, or their $500 watch. Or when someone urges me to take the bus instead of driving because it will contribute to global warming (i.e. Al Gore), I wonder if they know that meat production is by far more detrimental to the environment than the entire transportation industry (cars, planes, buses, etc). A friend recently tried to lecture me on global warming while he chugged on expensive wine and ate a $40 steak at a good restaurant. He was paying for my meal, but let's just say that he had to be xinged back to reality. We laughed about it, but I'm sure he'll think twice before trying to lecture me. I'm no saint, and I'll probably never stop eating meat and driving my car, but if someone is going to tell me what is best for me, they'd better start by looking at their mirrors. Wanna save the polar bear? Well, start by eating veggies and looking away from the chickens, cows, and turkeys.

    Now, you should not view this as a criticism on you. I don't know you and you may very well be taking all measures you can possibly take to minimize the effects of consumerism and corporate globalization. I doubt it, but you could be. In any event, I think it's great that you encourage people to become aware of some issue that plagues our society. But I wonder what kind of phone you talk on, and what kind of car you drive, or where in Montclair you live.

    You may be able to pursue your own Utopian world view because perhaps you have the resources, education, and discretionary income to be able to afford a 30-50% increase in expenditures. I don't. I am a student and, therefore, I am mostly broke. Accordingly, I will continue to buy inexpensive goods at Walmart or Target as I see fit. Unless you send a check my way to subsidize my trips to the local stores, I'd much rather you didn't say anything at all. Perhaps when I'm your age and I have the discretionary income and luxury of spending an extra 50% on things, I'd change my mind. Until then, it is just delusional to believe that people like me, and millions of other Americans, are going to be able to afford to spend more money when some elitist hack (I'm not saying this is you) with millions in his bank account thinks he can decide what goods are best for me.

    Oh, now that I'm done, I'll lighten up and wish you happy holidays too. icon_wink.gif
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    Feb 07, 2010 7:53 PM GMT
    collegestudd saidWhile there is some truth to your message, I think it's simply detached from reality. People all over the world, particularly those from developed countries, live in societies where frequently, well-being is directly proportional to the amount of goods they consume. Materialism is not limited to Target and Walmart. Everything that you buy from cool gadgets and luxury cars, to bigger homes and designer clothes have an impact on the economy. Having the latest ipod, the brand new designer underwear, or the new flat tv screen are hardly necessary things, yet people today use material things to reinforce the current social stratification.

    I take this kind of advice with a grain of salt. Whenever someone is trying to educate other people, I always wonder if they are educated themselves. For instance, when people tell me I shouldn't shop at Walmart because they don't treat their employees well and they hurt local businesses, I wonder what the hell they are talking about while I look down at their $150-200+ designer shoes, which were probably made at some sweatshop in a developing country by some 13 year-old girl, or their $500 watch. Or when someone urges me to take the bus instead of driving because it will contribute to global warming (i.e. Al Gore), I wonder if they know that meat production is by far more detrimental to the environment than the entire transportation industry (cars, planes, buses, etc). A friend recently tried to lecture me on global warming while he chugged on expensive wine and ate a $40 steak at a good restaurant. He was paying for my meal, but let's just say that he had to be xinged back to reality. We laughed about it, but I'm sure he'll think twice before trying to lecture me. I'm no saint, and I'll probably never stop eating meat and driving my car, but if someone is going to tell me what is best for me, they'd better start by looking at their mirrors. Wanna save the polar bear? Well, start by eating veggies and looking away from the chickens, cows, and turkeys.

    Now, you should not view this as a criticism on you. I don't know you and you may very well be taking all measures you can possibly take to minimize the effects of consumerism and corporate globalization. I doubt it, but you could be. In any event, I think it's great that you encourage people to become aware of some issue that plagues our society. But I wonder what kind of phone you talk on, and what kind of car you drive, or where in Montclair you live.

    You may be able to pursue your own Utopian world view because perhaps you have the resources, education, and discretionary income to be able to afford a 30-50% increase in expenditures. I don't. I am a student and, therefore, I am mostly broke. Accordingly, I will continue to buy inexpensive goods at Walmart or Target as I see fit. Unless you send a check my way to subsidize my trips to the local stores, I'd much rather you didn't say anything at all. Perhaps when I'm your age and I have the discretionary income and luxury of spending an extra 50% on things, I'd change my mind. Until then, it is just delusional to believe that people like me, and millions of other Americans, are going to be able to afford to spend more money when some elitist hack (I'm not saying this is you) with millions in his bank account thinks he can decide what goods are best for me.

    Oh, now that I'm done, I'll lighten up and wish you happy holidays too. icon_wink.gif




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    Feb 07, 2010 8:01 PM GMT
    Being someone who recently graduated, I've found it very hard to find a job in this economy-- especially looking for such a specialized position. I have to agree with CollegeStud in the sense that I simply can not afford to shop local yet. Maybe down the road when things are more settled, but at this point, the lowest price is the priority. I do try to eat at local restaurants rather than corporate chains though, since often times the price is similar.
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    Feb 07, 2010 11:51 PM GMT
    After reading some of the responses I come to the conclusion that Corporate America is not the only one to blame for the massive outsourcing of jobs here in the States, but also the ever growing demand of consumerism from the American consumer are to blame as well as the accomplices for the current financial and economic state of the USA! just look where materialism and greed have gotten us! it is unfortunate and unfair for those of us who did managed our finances wisely but now have to pay the price for those of you who for years didn't manage your finances responsibly!

    Perhaps this is a wake-up call for Americans to go back to basics and learn to live a much simpler life by living within their means! but it is too late isn't!? all we can do is shut up and pay the consequences of our past over-consumerism and materialism for generations to come!

    I in the meantime will continue to "consume wisely" by helping the local economy and the rest of the USA, even if I have to pay a little more out of my pocket!

    When I get my credit statement at the end of each month I feel good knowing my extra dollars is helping someone in my area keep his or her job. If that isn't being an American then I don't know what is!?



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    Feb 08, 2010 12:32 AM GMT
    Hmmmm...... Hate to differ but protective nationalistic economic and slapping import tarrifs don't benefit anyone in the long rung, in fact they hurt productivity...a lot

    It's proven the more the and freer the world's countries trade with each other the better everyone is in the long run. Ask any economist.

    Japan can make cars more efficiently than the USA, the USA can grow corn more efficiently than Japan. It makes sense to ship the corn to japan and turn it into cars. It makes sense to do things where they are most efficient.

    Do you think your small town can build all the cars, computers, supply the energy, grow all the food that you require to live your life the way you do. You owe your entire livelihood to the global economy and globalization. it's not a matter of you just paid slightly more for a T-shirt.


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    Feb 08, 2010 1:46 AM GMT
    MsclDrew saidIt makes sense to ship the corn to japan and turn it into cars.


    Japanese cars are made out of corn?
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    Feb 08, 2010 2:01 AM GMT
    freakofnature said
    MsclDrew saidIt makes sense to ship the corn to japan and turn it into cars.


    Japanese cars are made out of corn?


    essentially yes,

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    Feb 08, 2010 3:31 AM GMT
    MsclDrew saidHmmmm...... Hate to differ but protective nationalistic economic and slapping import tarrifs don't benefit anyone in the long rung, in fact they hurt productivity...a lot

    It's proven the more the and freer the world's countries trade with each other the better everyone is in the long run. Ask any economist.

    Japan can make cars more efficiently than the USA, the USA can grow corn more efficiently than Japan. It makes sense to ship the corn to japan and turn it into cars. It makes sense to do things where they are most efficient.

    Do you think your small town can build all the cars, computers, supply the energy, grow all the food that you require to live your life the way you do. You owe your entire livelihood to the global economy and globalization. it's not a matter of you just paid slightly more for a T-shirt.





    CORN AND JAPANESE CARS?

    I can understand your point to a certain extend that a Global Economy does make sense! but how about the highly skilled American jobs and even specialized fields that are being outsourced by the millions to foreign third world countries!? that in my opinion have less to do with Globalization and more about Corporate and consumerism greed that in end all it does is take away the livelihood and survival of Americans just like you! and for your information American cars had greatly improved over the years, and Japanese made cars are no longer as efficient and competitive as they once use to be! TOYOTA and HONDA recent recalls, do I need to remind you!? furthermore economist only care about profits made and not necessarily the impact outsourcing have on American families and their quality of life.


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    Feb 08, 2010 4:08 AM GMT
    Equal trade keeps countries booming. It's that simple.

    Unless you wanna start growing your own food and literally making your own stuff then you'll be buying it from someone whether it's at home or from afar.

    Learning when and how to stretch, save, and splurge a buck is a dying art.
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    Feb 08, 2010 5:41 AM GMT
    Guy101 saidEqual trade keeps countries booming. It's that simple.

    At the expense of possibly your own job someday soon!?

    Unless you wanna start growing your own food and literally making your own stuff then you'll be buying it from someone whether it's at home or from afar.

    Home grown fresh foods I am afraid will soon start to compete with imports from other countries too. Pretty soon our country will turn into a land of consumerism with no home-grown jobs! it it possible that not too far from our future Americans will have to travel overseas and work several months a year outside their borders in order to make a decent living so that they can keep up with the expenses of keeping their homes, medical expenses, a child's college tuition and their high maintenance demands!? oh sure why not allow other booming countries get richer while ours get poorer! great idea!!


    Learning when and how to stretch, save, and splurge a buck is a dying art.


    You said quite well! unfortunately most Americans are too caught up in consumerism, and they just don't know when to stop!


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    Feb 08, 2010 1:20 PM GMT
    I think this about just about sums up the....let's call it mentality....of some of the participates in this thread

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    Feb 08, 2010 1:34 PM GMT
    Instead of buying downloadable music from itunes, I have been supporting local businesses by downloading from thinkindie.com. Same price for mp3 downloads of music, while giving some business to a mom and pop store.

    Check it out:

    http://www.thinkindie.com/
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    Feb 08, 2010 1:36 PM GMT
    MsclDrew saidI think this about just about sums up the....let's call it mentality....of some of the participates in this thread



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    Feb 08, 2010 1:46 PM GMT
    corridore saidInstead of buying downloadable music from itunes, I have been supporting local businesses by downloading from thinkindie.com. Same price for mp3 downloads of music, while giving some business to a mom and pop store.

    Check it out:

    http://www.thinkindie.com/



    Now that is beautiful!! at least you don't have the corporate and greedy mentality like some people on this post!!


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    Feb 10, 2010 12:15 AM GMT
    MsclDrew saidI think this about just about sums up the....let's call it mentality....of some of the participates in this thread



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    Feb 10, 2010 12:15 AM GMT
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