Mysterious spiral of light over northern Norway

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    Dec 09, 2009 11:05 AM GMT
    http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3238877Some back-story:
    I live in Tromsø, which is a rather small town in the north of Norway. About an hour and a half ago this morning, at 07:45, I was awoken by my flatmate raving on about something "you just have to see!". Dizzy and confused I walked to the door, and peeking out at the sky I saw one of the most spectacular things I've ever been witness to. Now keep in mind that this far north, we barely have any sunlight at all this time of year, so it was still pitch dark outside. There was a spiral of light in the sky, expanding like some kind of green laser.
    Now, in my town we see the Aurora Borealis every winter, so green lights in the sky is not a new phenomenon. Never the less, in my 20 years here I've never seen anything like this, and for a second I thought it looked like a huge explosion in the distance.
    We returned inside with much speculation as to what this could be, and I scoured the internet for explanations. Now, at 09:00 the phenomenon has started popping up in articles on local northern news-sites, and appears to just have gone national.

    From the article, loosely translated:

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    A mysterious phenomenen of light on the nightsky shocked citizens of northern and mid-Norway on wednesday morning....

    ...It spun around and exploded in the sky...

    ...It looked like it came over a mountain. First it followed a path, until it disintegrated. Then it suddenly became a huge sphere, so large that it covered the entire sky.

    Meteorologists in Tromsø have no idea what caused the light:

    "We don't know what it is. I don't want to assume anything about it, but it appears to have been very spectacular"

    "People describe the moving light as overwhelming, extremely beautiful, and partially frightening. They describe it as a new years rocket that looks like a spinning spiral."

    The phenomenon lasted for a few minutes, just before eight on Wednesday morning. The meteorologist says the light apparently has come from the east.

    I've also read experts saying that this has nothing to do with the Aurora Borealis, and that it might have been a failed rocket launching in Russia. Has anyone else here seen anything like it, and can someone possibly shed some light (hurr) on what might have caused this?

    A video has been uploaded by one of the nation's leading newspapers:
    http://www.vgtv.no/?id=27553



    Go look at the photos here:
    http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3238877

    It's wild.
  • shirty

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    Dec 09, 2009 4:12 PM GMT
    It's beautiful and freaky at the same time. Pretty cool!
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    Dec 09, 2009 4:28 PM GMT
    "I can't believe it's not Photoshopped!"
  • bryjeepguy

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    Dec 09, 2009 4:35 PM GMT
    Its very beautiful and very crazy, and I am getting a VanGogh Starry Night feel from it
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    and apparently I wasn't the only one after scanning through the whole forumn link provided someone else mentions it also
  • shirty

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    Dec 09, 2009 4:48 PM GMT
    ^ haha - I hadn't thought of that. interesting!
  • maverik

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    Dec 09, 2009 4:51 PM GMT
    wow something to tell the grandchildren: you were there!
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    Dec 09, 2009 5:12 PM GMT
    Maybe the Rapture happened.
  • bryjeepguy

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    Dec 09, 2009 5:22 PM GMT
    Or maybe Half-Life 2 has come real and the Combine are going to start pouring in, curse you Black Mesa
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    Dec 09, 2009 5:40 PM GMT
    RowBuddy saidThat looks like the anomaly that the Enterprise C came out of in the Star Trek: The Next Generation third season episode "Yesterday's Enterprise".


    Cute dork alert!
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    Dec 09, 2009 5:47 PM GMT
    Oops. Sorry. The cat was playing with one of the Big Red Buttons™ in the Superweapon Activation Room in my lair. Thankfully it wasn't aimed at humans.

    Theories (from the most plausible to the craziest):

    1) A taste of a large scale cosmic event. Antimatter or some other exotic particle hitting the atmosphere, a tiny blackhole appearing and disappearing.

    2) Previously unobserved natural phenomenon that has something to do with the earth's magnetosphere. Although the magnetic north is currently approximately on the opposite side of where Norway is.

    3) A government experiment, a missile launch, a satellite/blackops aircraft spinning out of control.

    The above three could be related to a previous phenomenon this year. The light cloud in Moscow:

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    4) Our mothership has arrived!

    5) Jesus doing cartwheels

    6) Buddha doing cartwheels





    In photos from up close, it looks magnificent:

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  • LifeByTheHorn

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    Dec 09, 2009 5:49 PM GMT
    I don't think a rocket explosion would stay couple of minutes on the air. It will vanish quickly! This is probably a kind of solar explosion, a small space matter, like a meteorite or..... Other options are more intriguing!!!
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    Dec 09, 2009 5:50 PM GMT
    bryjeepguy saidOr maybe Half-Life 2 has come real and the Combine are going to start pouring in, curse you Black Mesa


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  • bryjeepguy

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    Dec 09, 2009 7:21 PM GMT
    RowBuddy saidMy wishful thinking theory. Its an Einstein-Rosen bridge between two parallel universes that formed when a microscopic portion of the atmosphere reached absolute zero and collided with a black hole that was passing thru the Earth's rotation around the sun.




    My scientific theory: Its a condensation trail from a russian rocket or high altitude airplane. The con trail was illuminated by the moon or contained trace jet fuel fumes that reattached with radiation from a recent solar flare. The spiral effect came from an upwelling in the air currents similar to a supercell thunderstorm that spawns tornados before the funnel turns on it's side.


    Very nice, both the SCI-FI and plausible. It would be very nice for some kind of Fringe Science phenomenon, now if only we had an ability to cross over, some remote that we can slide from one to another (Sliders), or how bout a dimensional mirror that we can walk through (SG-1) or just some sort of field projector (Fringe) but its probably something more tangible like you said rocket trail mixed with air currents.
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    Dec 09, 2009 7:41 PM GMT
    Well, I can help rule out a few of these...

    "A taste of a large scale cosmic event. Antimatter or some other exotic particle hitting the atmosphere, a tiny blackhole appearing and disappearing."

    Probably not a black hole. By the time those are large enough to observe, they're not evaporating for a while. icon_smile.gif Most antimatter reactions produce photons way outside the visible range, and it's unlikely scattering would produce a rotating spiral. My guess is the coherent large-scale structure rules out any cosmic ray event.

    "My wishful thinking theory. Its an Einstein-Rosen bridge between two parallel universes that formed when a microscopic portion of the atmosphere reached absolute zero and collided with a black hole that was passing thru the Earth's rotation around the sun."

    Haha, nuff said. icon_smile.gif If we ever violate the third law, it had *better* look this spectacular!

    Spirals *do* show up when charged particles interact with strong linear magnetic fields. However, the whole spiral pattern is rotating in those videos, which makes me think it could be an atmospheric effect like Rowbuddy said. Do we have any idea of the altitude? Photos from other locations could help us triangulate the scale of the effect...

    That color is weird! Why are there separate blue/white regions?

    Anyway, really cool effect--thanks for posting it here! icon_smile.gif
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    Dec 09, 2009 7:51 PM GMT
    The spiral is too flattened for it to be a wind shear effect on contrails. It's a disc in fact with a trailing helix.

    If it is indeed a contrail it would have a helix trail. Even if it was jetting exhaust both behind it and to its sides at very high speeds, the trail should still have been a helix, not a spiral disc, because it is after all, moving.

    The disc seems to be moving with whatever thing is whirling in the center, and definitely not trailing behind it. Notice one of the pictures after it 'collapsed'. The spiraling 'ripple' effect is still there though faint and with shorter wavelengths, extending perfectly away from the center until it fades out.
  • coolarmydude

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    Dec 09, 2009 7:52 PM GMT
    The first blog is dated 21 OCT 2008 while all the news stories on the same thing are dated 9 DEC 2009.

    HOAX!

    We are rapidly moving from the information age to the mis-information age! icon_cry.gif


    And why does the huffington post call it a "UFO" when there is nothing flying about it? How about unexplained phenomenon?
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    Dec 09, 2009 8:12 PM GMT
    Coolarmydude, I think 2008 is the author's join date; the post date is at the bottom.
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    Dec 09, 2009 8:12 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidThe first blog is dated 21 OCT 2008 while all the news stories on the same thing are dated 9 DEC 2009.

    HOAX!

    We are rapidly moving from the information age to the mis-information age! icon_cry.gif


    And why does the huffington post call it a "UFO" when there is nothing flying about it? How about unexplained phenomenon?


    Er. Oct 21, 2008 referred to his join date on that particular forum. And it's not a blog. ;P

    Dec 09, 2009 08:17 is the posting time.

    And yeah it can't be a black hole. Else there'd be gravitational lensing particularly on the glowing trail behind it. I'd go with the um... exotic matter theory for now. :d


  • Anto

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    Dec 09, 2009 8:41 PM GMT
    Whatever it is it probably involved Dr. Who saving our planet!
  • ursa_minor

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    Dec 09, 2009 9:13 PM GMT
    it´s just a laser light show


    ¨it´s not real, it´s just a story...¨ - The Neverending Story
  • coolarmydude

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    Dec 10, 2009 1:00 AM GMT
    It seems in other videos that the spiral is projected from a ground source.
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    Dec 10, 2009 2:52 AM GMT
    Yeah. The most damning evidence is probably the morning after:

    boostphase.jpg?PHPSESSID=j3nhb7kg4m619f5

    Plus navigation warnings issued by the Russians just before the event which indicates that the most likely explanation is indeed a failed launch in which the rocket spiraled out of control because of a leak somewhere along its length.

    Navigation WarningZCZC FA79
    031230 UTC DEC 09
    COASTAL WARNING ARKHANGELSK 94
    SOUTHERN PART WHITE SEA
    1.ROCKET LAUNCHING 2300 07 DEC TO 0600 08 DEC
    09 DC 0200 TO 0900 10 DEC 0100 TO 0900
    NAVIGATION PROHIBITED IN AREA


    http://blastrophysics.wordpress.com/2009/12/10/but-the-aliens-were-cooler/

    A 3d simulation has also been made of what theoretically happens in such situations:



    So yeah. Rocket launch. Something went wrong, the rocket started to vent on its sides causing the blue trail (might be the second stage thrusters activating prematurely, or might be a leak in the fuel, or might be lateral maneuvering thrusters that malfunctioned). The thrust tangent to the main boosters drove the rocket to start spiraling madly until it has lost all its forward momentum making it seem to hang up there in the sky for a moment before exploding.

    The Russian submarine, Dmitri Donskoy, currently stationed in the White Sea area has a history of failed missile tests. It's either an RSM-56 Булава class missile or an R29RMU Синева class missile. Both launched from a submarine.

    Булава has a long history of failed launch tests. While Синева produced a very similar strange 'lightshow' earlier last November:

    Nov. 1 missile launch (Sineva):
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    Bulava:
    bulava2.jpg

    Missile tests just before Obama arrives. Are the russians saying something? icon_surprised.gif
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    Dec 10, 2009 3:35 AM GMT
    it looks like ET didnt make it home very safely.
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    Sedative saidYeah. The most damning evidence is probably the morning after:

    boostphase.jpg?PHPSESSID=j3nhb7kg4m619f5

    Plus navigation warnings issued by the Russians just before the event which indicates that the most likely explanation is indeed a failed launch in which the rocket spiraled out of control because of a leak somewhere along its length.

    Navigation WarningZCZC FA79
    031230 UTC DEC 09
    COASTAL WARNING ARKHANGELSK 94
    SOUTHERN PART WHITE SEA
    1.ROCKET LAUNCHING 2300 07 DEC TO 0600 08 DEC
    09 DC 0200 TO 0900 10 DEC 0100 TO 0900
    NAVIGATION PROHIBITED IN AREA


    http://blastrophysics.wordpress.com/2009/12/10/but-the-aliens-were-cooler/

    A 3d simulation has also been made of what theoretically happens in such situations:



    So yeah. Rocket launch. Something went wrong, the rocket started to vent on its sides causing the blue trail (might be the second stage thrusters activating prematurely, or might be a leak in the fuel, or might be lateral maneuvering thrusters that malfunctioned). The thrust tangent to the main boosters drove the rocket to start spiraling madly until it has lost all its forward momentum making it seem to hang up there in the sky for a moment before exploding.

    The Russian submarine, Dmitri Donskoy, currently stationed in the White Sea area has a history of failed missile tests. It's either an RSM-56 Булава class missile or an R29RMU Синева class missile. Both launched from a submarine.

    Булава has a long history of failed launch tests. While Синева produced a very similar strange 'lightshow' earlier last November:

    Nov. 1 missile launch (Sineva):
    m1kGEV2l0UL-KUNHbg8L6ARQ7-1IN0w0KpZpk4Xl

    Bulava:
    bulava2.jpg

    Missile tests just before Obama arrives. Are the russians saying something? icon_surprised.gif


    Awesome! Knew someone would figure it out... that thing was freaking me out a little, lol.