Cardio first

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    Dec 09, 2009 6:15 PM GMT
    A few weight loss success stories I have read recently have all said they started out on the treadmill and eventually included weight training. These are guys who had 100+ pounds of excess weight to lose. I have only been doing cardio and I'm wondering if this is the right way to go for now.
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    Dec 09, 2009 10:57 PM GMT
    I'm no expert, but from what I understand, muscle burns fat. Therefore, the more muscle you have, the more fat you burn, even when you are sitting around doing nothing or sleeping. So, you want to build more muscle so you can burn more fat. I am not really a jock. I just can't sit still and exercise is how I deal with that. All others here can feel free to correct me in any areas where I am mistaken.
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    Dec 09, 2009 11:35 PM GMT
    Anything is better than nothing. If you are comfortable getting on that treadmill and going, great. As you get closer to your weight loss goals it will be important to incorporate resistance training. At this point, making a habit out of fitness is more important than doing it ideally.
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    Dec 09, 2009 11:43 PM GMT
    This topic has been brought up as recently as twice in as many days, and many times prior.

    You may wish to re-read some of those.

  • Dec 10, 2009 1:47 AM GMT
    I lost 85 pounds in the last 14 months. The first 40 pounds came off in 10 months from walking and eating right, the next 45 came off from cardio. I'm 155 now and I just started weight training, I still do cardio four times a week 60 minutes a session.
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    Dec 10, 2009 6:22 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidThis topic has been brought up as recently as twice in as many days, and many times prior.

    You may wish to re-read some of those.


    "Re-read" implies I have already read them.
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    Dec 10, 2009 3:09 PM GMT
    I thought you were having your GI tract rewired.... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Dec 10, 2009 3:18 PM GMT
    jimmyx51 saidI lost 85 pounds in the last 14 months. The first 40 pounds came off in 10 months from walking and eating right, the next 45 came off from cardio. I'm 155 now and I just started weight training, I still do cardio four times a week 60 minutes a session.


    Although it may not follow conventional wisdom, it does seem easier to lose weight with calorie restriction and cardio alone. Once you get to a weight level you wish to maintain, that's when you can work on the bmi.

    I know all the facts say to do both at the same time, but it seems many more people have success losing the weight first. Maybe it's because of the feedback being more consistent(clothes fitting better, on the scale you will progressively see the weight loss).
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    Dec 10, 2009 3:33 PM GMT
    jimmyx51 saidI lost 85 pounds in the last 14 months. The first 40 pounds came off in 10 months from walking and eating right, the next 45 came off from cardio. I'm 155 now and I just started weight training, I still do cardio four times a week 60 minutes a session.


    Congratulations on your loss of 85 pounds. That is a great accomplishment. Having grown up a thin kid - I can't imagine how amazing you must feel - changing your whole life, workout routine and eating plan.
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    Dec 10, 2009 5:40 PM GMT
    MsclDrew saidI thought you were having your GI tract rewired.... icon_rolleyes.gif


    Time will tell, I guess.

    We've been watching this go in circles for two years.

    Certainly, the personality seems to be consistent.
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    Dec 10, 2009 5:44 PM GMT
    jimmyx51 saidI lost 85 pounds in the last 14 months. The first 40 pounds came off in 10 months from walking and eating right, the next 45 came off from cardio. I'm 155 now and I just started weight training, I still do cardio four times a week 60 minutes a session.



    Wow! You must be so proud of yourself, not to mention feel amazing! Congratulations!!!!
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    Dec 10, 2009 11:22 PM GMT
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    jimmyx51 saidI lost 85 pounds in the last 14 months. The first 40 pounds came off in 10 months from walking and eating right, the next 45 came off from cardio. I'm 155 now and I just started weight training, I still do cardio four times a week 60 minutes a session.


    Although it may not follow conventional wisdom, it does seem easier to lose weight with calorie restriction and cardio alone. Once you get to a weight level you wish to maintain, that's when you can work on the bmi.

    I know all the facts say to do both at the same time, but it seems many more people have success losing the weight first. Maybe it's because of the feedback being more consistent(clothes fitting better, on the scale you will progressively see the weight loss).


    You're exactly right. They're called NSVs, or non-scale victories. They help the process much more than lifting weights.

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    Dec 10, 2009 11:31 PM GMT
    MsclDrew saidI thought you were having your GI tract rewired.... icon_rolleyes.gif


    I watched the video the doctor sent and decided against it. It's just a tool and the most important tool for success is, well, ME!

  • Dec 28, 2009 1:18 PM GMT
    I'm down about 65 pounds, and I lost the first 40 with diet. Then I joined the gym and lost the rest -- I'm down to about 185 now. Every time your muscles contract, they burn calories. That's why lifting in addition to cardio is fantastic! It's true you may gain a little weight back on the scales from time to time since muscle weighs more than fat, but why are you losing weight? To see a number on a scale? Or to look/feel better? The scale is a guide, but how you look and feel are the real test to me.
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    Dec 28, 2009 2:14 PM GMT
    I was told by one of my buddy's who's a Trainer that for best results, and may be for my body, was to begin with 20min cardio, then weight train, then end with 10min of HTTP cardio and so far SO good!
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    Dec 29, 2009 6:42 PM GMT
    Scally saidA man of your frame needs to do cardio for at least three months, 4 times a week and look at your diet ,reduce sugar and fat intake and replaces with complex cards pasta rice and oats and use honey as sugar ,training must be a combination of fitness and diet and Alcohol is big no no in early stages all you need to know about diet is on bodybuilding.com and menshealth com. Pointless training if the diet is not right .


    That's what I've been doing, though cutting out added sugar has proven to be a challenge. They sneak it in everywhere.
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    Dec 31, 2009 12:01 AM GMT
    Speaking from experience Cardio and reduction of poor quality calories is the best first step. Weight training is also good to do but you will not likely gain much muscle while you are actively losing body fat. Doing weight trianing while actively losing weight is most important to maintain the muscle you have. Weight training as your sole means of losing weight will not give you the results you want in the time you want them. This is just my 2 cents but it has worked for me. I have lost 160+ lbs so it must work right?

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    Dec 31, 2009 5:53 PM GMT
    Joshb12885 saidSpeaking from experience Cardio and reduction of poor quality calories is the best first step. Weight training is also good to do but you will not likely gain much muscle while you are actively losing body fat. Doing weight trianing while actively losing weight is most important to maintain the muscle you have. Weight training as your sole means of losing weight will not give you the results you want in the time you want them. This is just my 2 cents but it has worked for me. I have lost 160+ lbs so it must work right?



    So when should I incorporate weight training into my routine? At what point do you stop actively losing bodyfat?
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    Dec 31, 2009 5:59 PM GMT
    Resistance training should be included in every weight training program. It's been covered numerous times here in the three years that Chaser has been here.

    Increasing lean muscle mass increases base metabolism. Resistance training is the ONLY exercise that does that AS WE GROW OLDER. Resistance training with cardio preserves existing mass.

    Only a fool does just cardio.
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    Dec 31, 2009 6:01 PM GMT
    With regard to sugar, we don't have it in our house. We keep candy for Logan, a type 1 diabetic, but, we never sweeten anything, and eat grits, oatmeal, pasta, farina, all without any added sugar. Sugar is easy to avoid.
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    Dec 31, 2009 6:03 PM GMT
    Losing fat occurs when the body has fewer calories than it consumes, but ENOUGH calories to avoid the famine response (as I've covered numerous times in the three years that Chaser has been here). Too few calories, and the famine response PRESERVES fat and SLOWS metabolism. You MUST exercise in the presence of adequate calories if you wish to lose fat, and not lean body mass (LBM). You MUST lift weights / do resistance training if you wish to preserve LBM while doing a fat loss program. It's just that simple.

    I've often seen folks gain muscle, and LOSE FAT, at the same time, when their calories are right. It's a myth that it can't be done, and holds especially true with folks who were untrained previously. Think about it for a minute and it becomes obvious. If you weren't' training, then, you start eating, lifting, and getting busy, what happens? YOU GET IN SHAPE. You gain muscle. You lose fat. Happens all the time.
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    Dec 31, 2009 6:05 PM GMT
    Steady state cardio is best done at the END of the workout, to allow glycogen to be used for resistance training at the start of the workout.

    HIIT is best done by itself, in short bursts (it's HIIT).
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    Dec 31, 2009 6:11 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidSteady state cardio is best done at the END of the workout, to allow glycogen to be used for resistance training at the start of the workout.

    HIIT is best done by itself, in short bursts (it's HIIT).


    Exactly, and an intense-enough weight workout can have even more of an effect than cardio.
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    Dec 31, 2009 6:12 PM GMT
    Thanks for that second opinion? Can you guys hear me now?
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    Dec 31, 2009 6:12 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidLosing fat occurs when the body has fewer calories than it consumes, but ENOUGH calories to avoid the famine response (as I've covered numerous times in the three years that Chaser has been here). Too few calories, and the famine response PRESERVES fat and SLOWS metabolism. You MUST exercise in the presence of adequate calories if you wish to lose fat, and not lean body mass (LBM). You MUST lift weights / do resistance training if you wish to preserve LBM while doing a fat loss program. It's just that simple.

    How long does the body take to actually begin a 'famine response'. Does this happen when you get the hunger feeling or is it natural and OK to let the body feel hungry for awhile before eating more? As an older guy I'm finding it hard to keep that metabolic rate high enough to burn the belly fat and I'm not sure if it's because I'm not doing enough resistance training (lifting) or I'm over on the cardio. I do cardio 3 - 4 times a week for 30 minutes or more then follow that by lifting, hoping to jump start the metabolism and burn calories to lose the weight. I think I eat fairly healthy, although not 100% non-sugar and other pleasurable items